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RE: Mind fuck - 3/27/2014 10:41:24 PM   
MissImmortalPain


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Status: offline 		Perhaps we should play some time, Aries, you might develop a taste for the game....if you play with me.

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RE: Mind fuck - 3/27/2014 11:02:31 PM   
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RE: Mind fuck - 3/27/2014 11:09:55 PM   
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RE: Mind fuck - 3/27/2014 11:40:04 PM   
ARIES83


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Status: offline 		Oh, I thought you were talking about mind fucking or something.

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RE: Mind fuck - 3/28/2014 9:23:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		Lots of great, informative responses here. Thank you, all!

Reading over them, it's made me realize that 'mind fuck' isn't the term that best suits what I was thinking when I wrote the original post. The fear (or outright terror - as with the lamb's balls thing. Holy shit!), blindness, threats, knife play, etc - I gather is the usual definition linked with the phrase 'mind fuck'. So it's good to learn I've been mistaken in my usage. Better to find out now than later when meeting a Woman from this site and discovering we're not on the same page because she's threatening to castrate me and my sincere protests are interpreted as feigned. : )

And I can't even imagine how this would play out in non-bedroom situations. I mean, my bullshit-meter is calibrated to levels that would impress a NASA astrophysicist, and I've no patience for people who set it off in the slightest.

edendream nailed it, though:

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ORIGINAL: edendream
In my relationships with submissive men, I enjoy teasing, denial, seduction, sexuality, and above all, the exchange of wits. I want him to be intrigued with me and want more. What I want this intrigue and desire to lead to is the submissive man discovering, for himself, that he craves time with me. [...]

What I am talking about is that an authentic 'mind fuck', one that is not scene-based, is when the submissive man discovers that he desires me, not because of his fetish, or his desire for humiliation or whatever, but that he has to have MY type of domination; a domination that requires a very intelligent, sexy man give himself to me. Not to his idea of what a femme-domme is. I get turned-on and receive a lot of satisfaction when a powerful, intelligent man, realizes, to perhaps his horror, that he is beyond control when it comes to me. He feels compelled to want to interact with me.


RedMagic1 brought up a good point as well:

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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1
This sounds more like "obedience training" to me than mind-fuckery. And it doesn't just occur within the context of D/s. There's a long history of vanilla sub women making X happen by creating a situation where the husband thought that X was his idea. So really, I think you're describing what was traditionally called "feminine wiles."


That made me laugh. : )

But, yeah, I guess what I'm really saying is that I appreciate it when a woman doesn't make it easy; when she makes me work for it. Maybe until I can't stand it. To work for the pleasure of serving her and eventually giving her exactly what she wants, when she wants, turning myself over to her. Conformity and service for her sake, knowing and feeling that my proclivities, mind and values are adapting to her best interests and my ultimate reward being the opportunity to see her grow as a Woman.

It's a huge turn on to actively know she's pretzeling my mind and emotions to make me 100% hers.

I'm off to read about obedience training now (or behavior modification / training...)







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RE: Mind fuck - 3/28/2014 2:03:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Actually...what I just did is a pretty good example of a mind fuck. From your reaction I could ask what makes you think I wasn't talking about a mind fuck, or I could say I was only talking about the game of chess. You have no real way of knowing which way I was going (pardon the willy wonka rhyme) Speaking of the game though I really do think you should play a little. After all it is the game of Kings and it can become almost addictive, if you remember the most powerful piece on the board is the queen.

Keep guessing

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RE: Mind fuck - 3/28/2014 2:11:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		AFR, I feel as if I almost have to point out that not all mind fucks are as painful as people would lead you believe they are. As I just pointed out to Aries, I was playing a little game of fuck with his thoughts. I still actually am because he still doesn't know why I responded the way I did. I could in fact be fucking with him more by telling him I was fucking with him. As I said to him....no real way to know, so you get to keep guessing as well. I could have been trying to show how easy it is to screw with someone's brain without having to scare them, or I could find him to be an adorable little critter that I wouldn't mind playing a few games with. Everyone gets to keep guessing and that, in my opinion, is when mind fuckery becomes a game worth playing.

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RE: Mind fuck - 3/28/2014 2:12:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		I always thought of a "mind fuck" as an act where the expectations and the reality are totally divergent.

One simple example is that the temperature sensors in the skin really can't tell the difference in extreme hot and cold.

Let the bound submissive see you heating a wire red hot then touch them with a wire that has been sitting in ice-water... trust me, the endorphins will flow and they will jump.


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RE: Mind fuck - 3/28/2014 2:17:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Very good example, Merc, but I feel far to many people only see the side where they are scared. Confusion and even general wonder are great ways to lead people down a path they otherwise might avoid.

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RE: Mind fuck - 3/28/2014 2:41:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Zero interest in guessing anything.
Much bigger issues in my life atm.

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RE: Mind fuck - 3/28/2014 4:39:54 PM   
MissImmortalPain


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Status: offline 		I think I answered the question for you on the other side anyway. Didn't know you had big things going on, sorry for poking you with a stick and thanks for letting me know about the other game. It seems interesting.

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RE: Mind fuck - 3/28/2014 9:19:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GoddessManko
A sub cannot enter a D/s or bdsm dynamic without expecting sadism attached or they might be really delusional.
If you want polite, you don't want a D. Again, one person perspective like everything said thus far.


Not all of us are into s & m. Not every D type out there is rude and nasty.

He makes any damn decision he wants to. He's being doing that for years. And he has no interest in sadism. He's a bondage top when it comes to play. In life, he's the leader.

He also values his civility and good manners. So when he says "Please get me more tea" that's polite. It's also something that he knows I will do. Because he has no interest in a relationship where being told to do it yourself would be a response. Now if I have a reason I can't do it right then, that's okay. Because he knows that life interferes upon occasion.


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RE: Mind fuck - 3/28/2014 10:36:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

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ORIGINAL: GoddessManko

A sub cannot enter a D/s or bdsm dynamic without expecting sadism attached or they might be really delusional.
If you want polite, you don't want a D. Again, one person perspective like everything said thus far.

Not all of us are into s & m. Not every D type out there is rude and nasty.

He makes any damn decision he wants to. He's being doing that for years. And he has no interest in sadism. He's a bondage top when it comes to play. In life, he's the leader.

He also values his civility and good manners. So when he says "Please get me more tea" that's polite. It's also something that he knows I will do. Because he has no interest in a relationship where being told to do it yourself would be a response. Now if I have a reason I can't do it right then, that's okay. Because he knows that life interferes upon occasion.


Motion seconded. To equate Dominance & submission with sado-masochism is grossly inaccurate. I'm not sadistic. I can hardly watch a horror movie without covering my eyes throughout. My cousin is not sadistic and neither is her best friend (besides me, it goes without saying), both of whom are lifestyle Dommes. All three of us act feminine and have good manners. We are always polite around our subs. There's no excuse for lacking manners in saying Please, Thank You, You're Welcome, Excuse/Pardon Me. If you have children, you teach them the fundamentals of social graces at an early age, so why would you not lead by example? During play, rules can change, depending on the thematic mood at hand.

To be submissive is not lesser than. To be Dominant is not greater than. Many of us in LTRs do not have a humiliation & punishment dynamic either. Funishment is another matter. Discipline is administered with maximum improvement in mind. I like to use creative teaching methods, not a heavy-handed approach. The Velvet Glove, not the Iron Fist.

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RE: Mind fuck - 4/17/2017 2:30:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is something that needs complete care. It can be extremely dangerous. I was mind fucked once but I don't think the dominant knew what she was doing. I had to get another dominant to write to her. It got to the point that I couldn't sleep at night and I became so stressed to the point of having suicidal tendencies. Dominants should exercise extreme care with this.

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