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RE: Would real subs ever speak down to a dom? - 6/25/2014 9:04:51 AM   
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*Sigh*.

I suspect they never would talk down to a Dom in a face to face in a club environment or munch. I suspect it matters little in either situation. I have "subs" talk down to me here all the time. I ran into a few at the local club and they were completely different (and somehow surprised star and I were there), although one girl stole star's kneeling cushion while she stepped away but I suspect that is a girl to girl thing. In either situation they made no impression on me since I did not care what they think or say.


Pretty much the last sentence sums it up for me. I could give a rat's ass about what most people think, far less some entitled prick online. And I've NEVER had a sub speak to me like that in person. Most of them don't have the balls.

To reiterate: Racism is not okay.

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RE: Would real subs ever speak down to a dom? - 6/25/2014 9:24:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		Why is there an automatic assumption that a submissive should treat dominants with total respect, even if they have no idea who they are? That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. My slut would laugh at most of you for your hubris. My slut would only treat you with respect if you did the same to her or unless I told her to be respectful of other dominants. Your set of rules do not apply to her, nor do they apply to me... that is why they are "your" rules.

Think about this for a second: I am in a nightclub and I see a woman that appears to be a submissive... let's just say she has a collar or something that indicates she is into BDSM. I walk up to her and tell her that I am a dominant and I order her to respect me. How do you think that scenario will play out?

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RE: Would real subs ever speak down to a dom? - 6/25/2014 9:54:39 AM   
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Why is there an automatic assumption that a submissive should treat dominants with total respect, even if they have no idea who they are? That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. My slut would laugh at most of you for your hubris. My slut would only treat you with respect if you did the same to her or unless I told her to be respectful of other dominants. Your set of rules do not apply to her, nor do they apply to me... that is why they are "your" rules.


My sentiments exactly Gauge.

I don't owe any Dom/me anything. I'm polite to everyone, Doms, subs, vanilla folks and that's all I want from others including Doms, simple common courtesy. I'm easy to get along with but if someone crosses my line, I have no problem giving them a piece of my mind. Master has no problem with me doing it and he wouldn't expect me to take crap from anyone. And yes, I have done it in-person to a Dom who crossed my line by saying something inappropriate to me so this is one sub who does have the balls.

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RE: Would real subs ever speak down to a dom? - 6/25/2014 10:39:39 AM   
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Why is there an automatic assumption that a submissive should treat dominants with total respect, even if they have no idea who they are?

Because those people wouldn't know reality if it bent them over a table and assfucked them. I think that's been fairly well displayed by some of our more obtuse posters.

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RE: Would real subs ever speak down to a dom? - 6/25/2014 10:46:12 AM   
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Think about this for a second: I am in a nightclub and I see a woman that appears to be a submissive... let's just say she has a collar or something that indicates she is into BDSM. I walk up to her and tell her that I am a dominant and I order her to respect me. How do you think that scenario will play out?


LOL!! I know the answer!!! The first time my long suffering husband and I went out to a local event he was approached by a "Dom" who wanted him to know that I was lovely and asked permission to "play with her". My husband who looks like a hard ass biker is a Top with no sadistic tendencies... a pussycat really. I'm the scary one, and I'm not submissive. He looked at the "Dom" and said: "You should ask her, she's in a good mood so there's only a small chance that she'll remove your testicles with a pen, dip them in glitter and wear them as earrings." Even after the warning the idiot walked up to me to tell me that the dominant women he knows have all submitted to him because he's a "True Dominant". After I stopped laughing at him, all I could do was walk away because that level of stupid rendered me unable to snark.

Gah!! It's like a weird Walter Mitty effect... people live their fantasies online and when they manage to get out into the fresh air they are incapable of dealing with reality.

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RE: Would real subs ever speak down to a dom? - 6/25/2014 11:20:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Gauge

Why is there an automatic assumption that a submissive should treat dominants with total respect, even if they have no idea who they are?


Even though I'm on your side on this issue, I thought I would just address the thing that's generally not being said by anyone and that's the attitude that a lot of people have whenever they go to a social bdsm function. Some of these people are already in a mindset that puts them in a mood that's going to reinforce this bad behavior. That doesn't make it right, but my god, it is so hard to deal with that sort of thing, especially if you are the minority in the scene when it happens. I can't tell you how many social functions I've been to that are femdom atmosphered, where some woman I don't know automatically starts ordering me around because she's a woman and knows that I'm a submissive. I remember having a conversation with a friend of mine (another submissive) at a party that was pretty much all sorts of mixed D/s elements, and this woman walks over to the two of us, knows that both of us are submissives, and then orders me to go get her a drink at the bar (it was an open bar, so she wasn't asking me to go buy her a drink). My friend tried to friendly inform her that we weren't really in a scene environment in the moment (we were actually discussing future arrangements for a play party that we were going to be organizing for a femdom organization we were both part of), and she got really mad and started ordering us around. The weird thing was, neither of us have EVER played with her, EVER served her, and vaguely even knew who she was because she was one of those "she came with a friend of a friend" types of people.

The point is: These sorts of things happen, and during that situation, even though the party wasn't even femdom centered (meaning there were male tops, female tops, mixed tops and whatever), people looked at us like we were somehow doing something wrong by not immediately responding to the demands of someone we didn't even know.

That happens a lot.

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RE: Would real subs ever speak down to a dom? - 6/25/2014 11:25:23 AM   
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Personally I don't think talking down to a woman is very 'submissive' like :) nor is telling a dom to basically ignore their fetish just so their fetish needs can be fulfilled.
what do y'all think? :)

If he's not YOUR submissive, then he can speak to you however he likes. Besides, maybe he thought some 19 year old Paypal Princess wasn't a real dominant?


This is a first, we agree on a comment.

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RE: Would real subs ever speak down to a dom? - 6/25/2014 11:40:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: missbrownjinx

To reiterate: Racism is not okay.


So apparently the only reason why you're bending over backwards to defend the OP is that the sub sent her a racial remark. It's great that you're taking a stand against racism, but that's not the point of the post or what the OP asked.

By the way, thanks for changing that profile picture.

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RE: Would real subs ever speak down to a dom? - 6/25/2014 11:52:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: imtempting

This is a first, we agree on a comment.

You eventually had to get one right ;)

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RE: Would real subs ever speak down to a dom? - 6/25/2014 5:23:00 PM   
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the idiot walked up to me to tell me that the dominant women he knows have all submitted to him because he's a "True Dominant".


It was the best line he could think of to get you to submit - "All the other Dommes are doing it." As though Dom/me types subscribe to a herd mentality. Not to mention that submitting to someone is not quite the same thing as bottoming to them - I love to Top women that are not in relationships with me and that I therefore have no standing to Dominate.

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RE: Would real subs ever speak down to a dom? - 6/25/2014 6:08:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Gauge

Why is there an automatic assumption that a submissive should treat dominants with total respect, even if they have no idea who they are? That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.


This comes from the idea that we are in a "world" of BDSM where dominants are the upper class, and submissives are the lower class, and all submissives must submit to all dominants.

Which is bullshit: There is no "world-wide BDSM - D/s dynamic". It's between you and the other person/people in your dynamic, no one else.

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RE: Would real subs ever speak down to a dom? - 6/25/2014 6:15:33 PM   
Gauge


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ORIGINAL: TinkerHell


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ORIGINAL: Gauge

Think about this for a second: I am in a nightclub and I see a woman that appears to be a submissive... let's just say she has a collar or something that indicates she is into BDSM. I walk up to her and tell her that I am a dominant and I order her to respect me. How do you think that scenario will play out?


LOL!! I know the answer!!! The first time my long suffering husband and I went out to a local event he was approached by a "Dom" who wanted him to know that I was lovely and asked permission to "play with her". My husband who looks like a hard ass biker is a Top with no sadistic tendencies... a pussycat really. I'm the scary one, and I'm not submissive. He looked at the "Dom" and said: "You should ask her, she's in a good mood so there's only a small chance that she'll remove your testicles with a pen, dip them in glitter and wear them as earrings." Even after the warning the idiot walked up to me to tell me that the dominant women he knows have all submitted to him because he's a "True Dominant". After I stopped laughing at him, all I could do was walk away because that level of stupid rendered me unable to snark.

Gah!! It's like a weird Walter Mitty effect... people live their fantasies online and when they manage to get out into the fresh air they are incapable of dealing with reality.


I think I like you. That story is classic.

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RE: Would real subs ever speak down to a dom? - 6/25/2014 6:18:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Gauge

Why is there an automatic assumption that a submissive should treat dominants with total respect, even if they have no idea who they are? That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.


This comes from the idea that we are in a "world" of BDSM where dominants are the upper class, and submissives are the lower class, and all submissives must submit to all dominants.

Which is bullshit: There is no "world-wide BDSM - D/s dynamic". It's between you and the other person/people in your dynamic, no one else.


Of course that is the fundamental error in the perception.

I do hope that everyone realizes that the question I posed was rhetorical.

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RE: Would real subs ever speak down to a dom? - 6/25/2014 6:29:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Gauge


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ORIGINAL: FightingChains


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ORIGINAL: Gauge

Why is there an automatic assumption that a submissive should treat dominants with total respect, even if they have no idea who they are? That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.


This comes from the idea that we are in a "world" of BDSM where dominants are the upper class, and submissives are the lower class, and all submissives must submit to all dominants.

Which is bullshit: There is no "world-wide BDSM - D/s dynamic". It's between you and the other person/people in your dynamic, no one else.


Of course that is the fundamental error in the perception.

I do hope that everyone realizes that the question I posed was rhetorical.
Doesn't make it any less fun to answer.

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RE: Would real subs ever speak down to a dom? - 6/25/2014 6:35:41 PM   
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...and yet we have threads like this asking "would real subs ever speak down to [any] dom?"

Wouldn't hurt to reiterate how stupid the idea is that these dom/mes are somehow deserving of respect from me for no damned reason. Perhaps they'll learn this time.

On second thoughts it's also just as fun to mock them for it.

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RE: Would real subs ever speak down to a dom? - 6/25/2014 6:55:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'll be very honest, if people don't realize how many insane people own a computer, they need a reality check. Also, if you think someone should give s damn about an opinion floating on the internet or give a damn if you go careening off a cliff then it's time to get a hobby.
I just got back from the gym. The only people I care about are MY subs, or people who I allow into my personal life. No one on here or at these munches or whatever know me or anything about me because that's how much I value their company and opinions. I shouldn't have to spell it out. Neither should any Dom. If you think a forum is some kind of battlefield, then it's time for the nice nurse to increase your dosage, mmmk? :)

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RE: Would real subs ever speak down to a dom? - 6/25/2014 7:14:13 PM   
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I'll be very honest, if people don't realize how many insane people own a computer, they need a reality check. Also, if you think someone should give s damn about an opinion floating on the internet or give a damn if you go careening off a cliff then it's time to get a hobby.
I just got back from the gym. The only people I care about are MY subs, or people who I allow into my personal life. No one on here or at these munches or whatever know me or anything about me because that's how much I value their company and opinions. I shouldn't have to spell it out. Neither should any Dom. If you think a forum is some kind of battlefield, then it's time for the nice nurse to increase your dosage, mmmk? :)



What on earth does this have to do with the topic?

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RE: Would real subs ever speak down to a dom? - 7/1/2014 11:37:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		that has nothing to do with sub behavior. That is general unbalanced/unhappy people behavior. They say things like that because they want others to feel as bad as they do; they want to make people feel bad and enjoy it. Healthy people don't go around doing/saying things to others with malicious intent.

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RE: Would real subs ever speak down to a dom? - 7/1/2014 12:39:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Personally, I find you smoking hot and beautiful and generally, Asian women to be among the most beautiful women in the world.

No one should suffer the slings of such a person as you describe but maybe it's because I don't have a submissive cell in my body...I can't see financial domination being worthy of even getting off the ground.

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RE: Would real subs ever speak down to a dom? - 7/3/2014 2:58:26 AM   
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1. Subs only need to answer to one.
You, more often than not, will not be the one.

2. The general rule of thumb is:
The moment you turn down exactly what the requester wants, You become the person that invalidates their ego.
Weak egos must justify this by attacking your credibility.
3. The moment they lose their control you've already dominated their ego, so their point is moot.

4. Twue Doms don't get hurt by posers.

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