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How do you feel about?

I would not be happy

72% (27)

I don't mind, no big deal

27% (10)

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RE: How do you feel about? - 4/15/2014 10:34:55 AM

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By the way, I don't want to keep explaining why the caterer cannot cater to the halal folks, AS the halal folks terms and conditions makes it impossible for the caterer to fulfill.

My poll is very simple, if this happens year after year in the company you work in, will you feel happy or unhappy?

All other possible solutions to make everyone happy has been explored and did not fit the 3 Muslim satisfaction. Actually, the 2 different caterers thingy HAS also been suggested to the Muslims, we were prepared to go to any MUSLIM restaurant of their choice and get their food delivered to where our preferred venue party will be, but the Muslims have rejected our proposal because the venue we are going to is not halal.

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RE: How do you feel about? - 4/15/2014 10:37:11 AM

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I don't know how to say this tactfully, but you've made it clear in the past that you think very little of muslims, so is this perhaps less about the food and more about them personally?

No, it's all about food. We can't go to nice places with really fantastic food because of them. Alot of our best local food is cooked with pork.

I complain but I know they can't do anything about it, because, the 3 muslim will boycott the event if it's not halal and we would be insulting them if we dare want to go to somewhere that we prefer the food there but can't suit them.

My issue is, we all work equally hard, but why should they always get their preference? Everyone should take turns on different years and accommodate to each other.

If I were in charge I would probably go with taking turns each year. You have to consider all of the employees, not just part of them. From what you have said the restaurants could give them pork free dishes and I am sure if they are as good as you say they could come up with most dietary requirements. If that wasn't good enough, then they always have the option of staying home that year. With that many people it is almost impossible to make everyone happy.

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RE: How do you feel about? - 4/15/2014 11:04:47 AM

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Can I just point out, assuming everything Greta has said is the truth and the company is refusing to go to a place that is none halal because they don't want anyone to not turn up. Have you ever considered to just boycott the event? Personally if I don't like the food at a restaurant I just wouldn't go I would make it clear in advance I had no desire to turn up and leave it at that.

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RE: How do you feel about? - 4/15/2014 11:09:06 AM

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For one year...JUST one year...cater to the 3 Muslims 100%...and NO ONE else go to the event. Have 99% boycott of the dinner. The next year the company will do more to accommodate the majority, or they will drop the dinner all together. Problem solved.

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RE: How do you feel about? - 4/15/2014 11:16:56 AM

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For one year...JUST one year...cater to the 3 Muslims 100%...and NO ONE else go to the event. Have 99% boycott of the dinner. The next year the company will do more to accommodate the majority, or they will drop the dinner all together. Problem solved.

OOOOOoooooo..... I LIKE that idea!!

You are sooooo wicked sometimes igor.

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RE: How do you feel about? - 4/15/2014 11:22:50 AM

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Can I just point out, assuming everything Greta has said is the truth and the company is refusing to go to a place that is none halal because they don't want anyone to not turn up. Have you ever considered to just boycott the event? Personally if I don't like the food at a restaurant I just wouldn't go I would make it clear in advance I had no desire to turn up and leave it at that.

Boycotting the event is worst to me. It's a night out sponsored by the company to enjoy with colleagues once a year, they have band playing, entertainment, so I am not gonna boycott just because the food is not to my liking. And for my boycott to have weight, I'd need a religious reason ha, and since I'm atheist so I eat anything, although I actually don't eat beef, not for religious reasons, but I can't stand the taste of it.

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RE: How do you feel about? - 4/15/2014 11:29:47 AM

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Can I just point out, assuming everything Greta has said is the truth and the company is refusing to go to a place that is none halal because they don't want anyone to not turn up. Have you ever considered to just boycott the event? Personally if I don't like the food at a restaurant I just wouldn't go I would make it clear in advance I had no desire to turn up and leave it at that.

Boycotting the event is worst to me. It's a night out sponsored by the company to enjoy with colleagues once a year, they have band playing, entertainment, so I am not gonna boycott just because the food is not to my liking. And for my boycott to have weight, I'd need a religious reason ha, and since I'm atheist so I eat anything, although I actually don't eat beef, not for religious reasons, but I can't stand the taste of it.

If enough people complain and boycott the event, surely that's the only way to make the management see any real sense??
Especially if this is happening year on year.
If 1% of the company can dictate the events of the other 99%, isn't that the tail wagging the dog??

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RE: How do you feel about? - 4/15/2014 11:30:26 AM

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or they will drop the dinner all together. Problem solved.

The 99% will not do that, because they aren't gonna let 3 Muslims ruin their one night of sponsored fun. A few of us may be disgruntled that it's always THEIR choice of venue, but end of the day, we don't bother with the Muslim dudes and just have a great time with each other.

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RE: How do you feel about? - 4/15/2014 11:38:09 AM

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or they will drop the dinner all together. Problem solved.

The 99% will not do that, because they aren't gonna let 3 Muslims ruin their one night of sponsored fun. A few of us may be disgruntled that it's always THEIR choice of venue, but end of the day, we don't bother with the Muslim dudes and just have a great time with each other.

Then why bitch, whinge and moan about it if you aren't going to try and DO something about it??
Do some talking to others and see if you can get enough people to support you.
Otherwise, you're pissing in the wind.

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RE: How do you feel about? - 4/15/2014 11:39:58 AM

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If enough people complain and boycott the event, surely that's the only way to make the management see any real sense??

Unfortunately, it will never happen. People here are all trained to practice religious sensitivity and be magnanimous. So if going to a Muslim venue would make the Muslims feel more comfortable, even though they are minority, people would grumble, but will never feel it's big enough of an issue to boycott and make a huge protest.

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RE: How do you feel about? - 4/15/2014 11:42:11 AM

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At this point it seems like Greta is just being bias against Muslims. To have your boycott be noted you only need to boycott it for a reason not for a religious reason ... you have a reason already. As for needing the 99% to boycott it that again is unnecessary ... just get 4 people and then if the company really is doing it to include everyone as you have claimed Greta then they will be willing to move it to a halal resturant because there is no point having it somewhere specific to get everyone there if there is no way everyone is going to be there.

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RE: How do you feel about? - 4/15/2014 11:42:56 AM

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Then why bitch, whinge and moan about it if you aren't going to try and DO something about it??
Do some talking to others and see if you can get enough people to support you.
Otherwise, you're pissing in the wind.

My bitching about it went straight to the HR, who are the organizers. I brought up my suggestion to rotate it annually. I often voice my displeasure to HR directly, so I DO do something about it. I do not think it's appropriate to incite fellow workers into protesting. That does not feel right to me in any situation. Unless you are talking about abusive working conditions.

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RE: How do you feel about? - 4/15/2014 11:45:39 AM

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At this point it seems like Greta is just being bias against Muslims. To have your boycott be noted you only need to boycott it for a reason not for a religious reason ... you have a reason already. As for needing the 99% to boycott it that again is unnecessary ... just get 4 people and then if the company really is doing it to include everyone as you have claimed Greta then they will be willing to move it to a halal resturant because there is no point having it somewhere specific to get everyone there if there is no way everyone is going to be there.

It's not bias against Muslim. Even if 20% boycott it if it wasn't in a non-halal restaurant, they wouldn't change it. That's just the reality I live in. In the world I live in, what the company does is the regular practice and not out of the norm, where as long as there are Muslim employees, all company events should be just completely halal, as all other races and religions can eat halal, but muslims can't eat non-halal. That is the logic.

Although I was happy when one Muslim Principal of a public school banned non-halal food from the school canteen. Many parents wrote to complain about it. And they reinstated the non-halal food. That was actually...., an amazing progress for our country.

We live in a total different world from you, we are like Israel of South East Asia. Surrounded by Muslim countries. Israel choose to war with them, we choose to let them step all over us and try to make them happy.

Recently, Indonesian government glorified Muslim terrorists that have planted bombs in our country to kill our civilians in public areas, by honouring them as war heroes and naming a Navy Ship after them in their honour. This is how they always treat us. And we just always turn the other cheek.

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RE: How do you feel about? - 4/15/2014 11:49:21 AM

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Everywhere I ever worked with employees of mixed religion, the events were catered, with meals provided to fit the desires of the Jewish employees, as well as Muslim.

As for Halal dining establishments, I have yet to find one with sub standard food, and the lack of alcohol is no big deal, unless you happen to have a dependency problem, then you dont need to be drinking anyway.

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RE: How do you feel about? - 4/15/2014 11:51:27 AM

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Then you lied all the way at the start of the thread. You claimed it had nothing to do with them being Muslim but about the company wanting to include everyone. Can I just point out your issue with this whole thing is that it is the one company sponsored night where you don't have to pay for anything ... but if the food is bad ... if there is no alcohol ... the only reason you're there is because of your work friends and surely you could just have a night out with them somewhere you would enjoy as much as you would enjoy the night with your friends.

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RE: How do you feel about? - 4/15/2014 11:57:51 AM

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Then you lied all the way at the start of the thread. You claimed it had nothing to do with them being Muslim but about the company wanting to include everyone.

I didn't say it has nothing to do with them being Muslim. I said that, they wanted everybody included, and the only people who have issues are the Muslims, so we have to cater to their whims to make sure they don't feel excluded when we choose a venue that they feel it's against their religion to enter. This is totally different from people boycotting because they don't like halal food, not because they can't eat them.

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the only reason you're there is because of your work friends and surely you could just have a night out with them somewhere you would enjoy as much as you would enjoy the night with your friends.

It's a big company and it's the only night where you get have everybody gather together in one place. Of course you have your usual clique that you hang out socially on regular basis outside work. It's different. I wouldn't miss it because it's still networking opportunities for me. But am I happy about the arrangement being at the mercy of 3 Muslims? No I am not. My Poll was simple, if people felt unhappy like me, or it does not bother them. That's all.

You guys are bringing in alot of irrelevant things into my poll, base on your own country and culture that could be an alternative solution possibly in your country, which is different from mine.

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RE: How do you feel about? - 4/15/2014 11:59:53 AM

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Everywhere I ever worked with employees of mixed religion, the events were catered, with meals provided to fit the desires of the Jewish employees, as well as Muslim.

I have to mentioned that although Jewish people can't eat pork too, but none of them ever given us problems, like they would hang out with us in non-halal outings.

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RE: How do you feel about? - 4/15/2014 12:04:31 PM

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As for Halal dining establishments, I have yet to find one with sub standard food, and the lack of alcohol is no big deal, unless you happen to have a dependency problem, then you dont need to be drinking anyway.

I think alcohol helps people loosen up and enjoy themselves more. I think it is essential in a big party like this. And I believe many employees would appreciate it greatly.

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RE: How do you feel about? - 4/15/2014 1:04:26 PM

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As for Halal dining establishments, I have yet to find one with sub standard food, and the lack of alcohol is no big deal, unless you happen to have a dependency problem, then you dont need to be drinking anyway.

I think alcohol helps people loosen up and enjoy themselves more. I think it is essential in a big party like this. And I believe many employees would appreciate it greatly.

People who need alcohol to enjoy themselves are not people I want to hang out with, to be honest. Yes, I drink, but I dont need alcohol to enjoy myself, neither do my friends.

As for catering halal dinners for Muslims, you better back up and try again. It can be done, there are firms in the US and UK that do it with no problems, in fact these same firms do kosher, complete with kosher wines and other things.

Either the company does not want to cover the cost of a multi religious meal, or there are no firms in your area that will do this kind of service.

As for your point of view, it boils down to the Muslim employees are not entitled to the same things as the rest because they dont drink, they dont eat certian foods, and dont dance.

After reading your posts, I would have to say, for me, show up or dont, I am sure no one is going to care. Since it has been going on for sometime evidently, and it is only a few that dont like the system, and majority rules.

So you have some choices, go, dont go, or find a job that does not have Muslims, Jews or any other religion with dietary restrictions.

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RE: How do you feel about? - 4/15/2014 1:39:35 PM

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Find a catering hall where the bar is in another room. Have a halal caterer set up a buffet table for foods the Muslims can eat, and if it's well made, a lot of the non-Muslims will gravitate to it also.

I don't believe that all Halal caterers serve poor quality food. It's not the case here.

But I'd vote against free flowing alcohol to begin with because I don't like drunks.

I had no trouble tailoring the menu for my son's bar mitzvah so there were no pork products, no shellfish, and no mixing of meat and dairy. The caterer worked with me and was fine substituting smoked salmon for a shrimp appetizer.

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