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How do you feel about?


I would not be happy
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I don't mind, no big deal
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RE: How do you feel about? - 4/15/2014 1:53:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		rent a hotel conference room, ask the Muslims if they know any caterers (that provide delicious food rather than the previous restaurants).

Those who wish to drink can hit the hotel bar after.

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RE: How do you feel about? - 4/15/2014 8:51:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Greta also claims the Muslims can't sit there while the other employees eat non Halal food. You claiming that if you bring a ham and cheese sandwich to eat at your desk, they have to leave the building? Because I don't buy it.

You can live without bacon and pork. And alcohol. If you need alcohol to have a good time, then you should be evaluated for a dependency problem.

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RE: How do you feel about? - 4/16/2014 2:06:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have interacted with strict muslims my entire life in both personal and professional capacities. All I have seen is a smoke screen generated by those with a distinct anti-muslim agenda. The ham and cheese sandwich walk-out comment is as amusing as it is outrageous. Every day my muslim colleagues are faced with the surreptitious bullying by other colleagues who have bought into the entire extremism saturated in our media and spread inaccuracies to generate more scare mongering. I have to credit those who are bullied with such class, dignity and humour in how they respond to such bullying. I particularly like it when they walk by the kitchen area when the bacon is being fried and they say, "That smells delicious!" I have seen so much intolerance and none of it has come from those quarters that are accused of it.

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RE: How do you feel about? - 4/16/2014 7:20:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		This thread reminds of the viral email that goes around every year about the "Politically Correct" Christmas, no, Holiday Party. Here's a link in case you've never read it:

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After reading all the responses, it does sound to me like these particular Muslims are being a little douchey about the whole thing and the company is doing the best it can to accomodate everybody as much as possible. Maybe they are douchey, or maybe they've been bullied in the past and this is their way of retaliating? Can't really know for sure without hearing their side of the story. If they do file a lawsuit for discrimination, which they could do, it would cost the company a lot of money to defend, whether or not it's a valid lawsuit.

Personally, I worked for a large company that employed people from all over the world, and we had a lot of Muslims. Almost 100% of them were great people, and I got to be good friends with many of them. My department, that was maybe 10% Muslim (?), had large potluck lunches all the time, and none of them ever boycotted. They just quietly and politely avoided anything with pork. And thinking back, they did drink alcohol. But like in the Jewish faith, and other faiths, they have different "levels" of practicing, from not practicing at all, to wearing a full burka and quietly praying in a corner of the break room when it was time. "Your" Muslims might be some of the more devout ones? We were all very tolerant and supportive of each other.

To answer the original question, how do I feel about the issue? I feel that, since the company does put a lot a money into their good intentions, and you have a band and decent food in a decent venue, just accept their generosity....because a LOT of companies don't do anything like that anymore because of budgeting....and just go out afterwards to celebrate the way you want.

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RE: How do you feel about? - 4/18/2014 5:44:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think the vote should have been: how do you prefer the animal you are eating to be slaughtered:

A) The most painless way possible
B) By cutting it's throat whilst someone chants a chant.

Personally I don't think we should still be sacrificing animals like a bunch of pagans.


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RE: How do you feel about? - 4/18/2014 6:04:41 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75

quote:

ORIGINAL: MissMorrigan
So, Sharia law is preventing you from approaching caterers to ask what options they provide for devout muslims attending a large party their business will benefit from hosting?

As I answered to someone else earlier, top caterers here either cater to non-halal or halal and cannot do both.
All the non-halal caterers can only cater for the muslims with a special no pork and no lard menu, BUT they cannot get halal certification by the sharia courts here, because they are also involve in serving non-halal food. By sharia law it's not possible.

Some mainstream top 5 star hotels in Singapore have fully turned halal too because of this.

We are at the mercy of how accommodating those 3 muslims wanna be. But if they insist on the stickliest of what halal means to them, then, pure halal is the only way to please them.

Note that we are not forcing them to eat pork. ANY caterer or restaurant can give them food without lard or pork. That part is easy.




So why not have one of those top 5 star hotels host it.
Perhaps one with a nearby bar.



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RE: How do you feel about? - 4/18/2014 6:08:46 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: FullCircle

I think the vote should have been: how do you prefer the animal you are eating to be slaughtered:

A) The most painless way possible
B) By cutting it's throat whilst someone chants a chant.

Personally I don't think we should still be sacrificing animals like a bunch of pagans.



I take it that virgin sacrifices are out as well?

According to the law, Kosher meat is slaughtered as humanly as possible, and Halal animals are rendered unconscious before killing.

Now, non kosher animals are killed with a device that looks like a gun, can be spring or air powered, and it is placed on the forehead of the animal, the trigger is pulled and a small steel piston is driven into the skull.

The animal is of course aware of what is going on.

I do eat meat, enjoy it, however I raise my own beef, and the butcher that processes the animal actually uses a different method that is more humane in my opinion since the standard kill method is not always a sure thing, it may take a couple of times to kill the animal, depending on the person doing the killing.

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RE: How do you feel about? - 4/18/2014 6:38:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well I've heard the noises a cow makes when having it's throat cut. So stunning doesn't seem to be the practise everywhere and some Muslims question if stunning is correct.

I'm not against meat eating. These kind of religious rituals however just indicate to me that the priorities are all wrong and they are probably going to hell for the wrong reasons.

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RE: How do you feel about? - 4/18/2014 6:53:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FullCircle

Well I've heard the noises a cow makes when having it's throat cut. So stunning doesn't seem to be the practise everywhere and some Muslims question if stunning is correct.

I'm not against meat eating. These kind of religious rituals however just indicate to me that the priorities are all wrong and they are probably going to hell for the wrong reasons.


All I can say is what I have seen, having hauled beef from a Kosher supplier and Halal.

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RE: How do you feel about? - 4/19/2014 5:52:54 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: FullCircle

I think the vote should have been: how do you prefer the animal you are eating to be slaughtered:

A) The most painless way possible
B) By cutting it's throat whilst someone chants a chant.

Personally I don't think we should still be sacrificing animals like a bunch of pagans.




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RE: How do you feel about? - 4/21/2014 6:54:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: FullCircle

Personally I don't think we should still be sacrificing animals like a bunch of pagans.



Because I resemble this remark I feel the need to point out that Pagans are more polytheistic. Muslims and Christians are monotheistic.
Muslims are not Pagans. As a Pagan I have never slit the throat of an animal while "chanting" As a redneck I have however ripped the head off a chicken, no chanting then though either.

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RE: How do you feel about? - 4/21/2014 7:34:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		The only chanting (if you can call it that) when killing an animal was the one time I shot a buffalo with a sharps, breach loading replica buffalo gun. I was told (he lied through his teeth) that the rifle did not have a kick.

The chanting was done in the language of Sargent, i.e cussing, and with a few threats of shoving said rifle up someone's (the owner's) ass sideways and pulling it out his left ear.

My shoulder was bruised from my right elbow to the center of my chest, and my shoulder was partially dislocated.

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RE: How do you feel about? - 4/22/2014 11:14:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		90% of the population where I live is Muslim and they don't mind entering a non-halal restaurant (yes, they exist) or a place that serves alcohol.

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RE: How do you feel about? - 4/22/2014 2:42:47 PM   
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So let's say, you work in a company with 300 employees, and only 3 employees are Muslims. Comes the annual company dinner and dance, while the company has fantastic budget to bring you to the finest most amazing michelin starred restaurants, and have the best free flow alcoholic parties, but because of the 3 Muslim employees who their religion forbids them enter non-halal restaurant, all 300 employees has no choice but to go to a inferior certified halal location with bad food and no alcohol. This happens every single year.

In my country, we are taught to be sensitive to other people's religious needs, so many companies practice such things. And of course I get scolded all the time for being insensitive to the 3 Muslims whenever I complain about the unfairness of this, most of these nicer restaurants are able to prepare a pork and lard free meal for these Muslims, but of course it's not good enough.

I would like to know how international people feel about this.



Separate corner for the Muslims...screens if needed....no alcohol, no large breasted wimmens delivering food and alcohol in that corner.

And....pork for EVERYONE!!!! Live pigs walking around.

And virgins....lots of virgins....

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RE: How do you feel about? - 4/24/2014 7:44:24 AM   
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I have a lot of relatives that are Muslim and like MissMorrigan, my experience of going out for meals with them is markedly different. If going to a restaurant we can order and drink alcohol and they have something non-alcoholic, we can also eat pork dishes as long as they know which they are so they can avoid eating them. And these are people that pray 5 times a day facing Mecca etc.

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RE: How do you feel about? - 4/24/2014 9:39:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think they should offer both dinners and offer people a choice as to which one they want to go to and say to them that they can only go to one and it is their choice.
that way they can make their own choice, but not feel left out, and those of you who do not want to go to a particular restaurant can't use the other.

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RE: How do you feel about? - 4/24/2014 6:04:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Greta75

So let's say, you work in a company with 300 employees, and only 3 employees are Muslims. Comes the annual company dinner and dance, while the company has fantastic budget to bring you to the finest most amazing michelin starred restaurants, and have the best free flow alcoholic parties, but because of the 3 Muslim employees who their religion forbids them enter non-halal restaurant, all 300 employees has no choice but to go to a inferior certified halal location with bad food and no alcohol. This happens every single year.

In my country, we are taught to be sensitive to other people's religious needs, so many companies practice such things. And of course I get scolded all the time for being insensitive to the 3 Muslims whenever I complain about the unfairness of this, most of these nicer restaurants are able to prepare a pork and lard free meal for these Muslims, but of course it's not good enough.

I would like to know how international people feel about this.



Can't speak for internationals....Muslims want to kill Christians. That's a fact.

American Muslims may have a different approach.

Most American Muslims still want to kill Christians, all things being equal.

We're the AntiChrist.

It's sad.

We all celebrate the same birthdays.....deaths....floods....

It's all fucked up.




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RE: How do you feel about? - 4/30/2014 10:53:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		I was on the Board of Directors for an agency that works with individuals with disabilities. We did an annual cruise on a ship that was not handicapped accessible. We were called insensitive but since it was a trip to honor the board members for their "volunteer" service, and since none of the members nor their spouses were disabled we continued to do it. And yes that's exactly the reasoning I gave the reporter who tried to bash us for doing it. I provided her with a list of the expenses I incurred while volunteering. A $75 ticket didn't cover one tenth of my annual babysitting, gas, catering, Staples bill and more.

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RE: How do you feel about? - 4/30/2014 11:36:27 AM   
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... because of the 3 Muslim employees who their religion forbids them enter non-halal restaurant, all 300 employees has no choice but to go to a inferior certified halal location with bad food and no alcohol. This happens every single year.


I didn't know some Muslims were forbidden from entering a non-halal restaurant. Provided this is the case, it would seem like discrimination not to accommodate them. If their religion allows them to pick and choose individual dishes regardless of venue, it would seem unreasonable for them to expect to be accommodated.

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RE: How do you feel about? - 5/9/2014 4:59:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		That's like the NAACP holding their volunteer appreciation cruise on a "no blacks allowed" ship.

Um, yeah, I see the problem with patronizing a ship that lacks accessibility, especially by the ones whom represent accessibility issues.

Someone's lost track of their conscience. So-called charities get burnt by greedy administrators with self-aggrandizing priorities. It's a sickness and a sadness. For shame.
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I was on the Board of Directors for an agency that works with individuals with disabilities. We did an annual cruise on a ship that was not handicapped accessible. We were called insensitive but since it was a trip to honor the board members for their "volunteer" service, and since none of the members nor their spouses were disabled we continued to do it. And yes that's exactly the reasoning I gave the reporter who tried to bash us for doing it. I provided her with a list of the expenses I incurred while volunteering. A $75 ticket didn't cover one tenth of my annual babysitting, gas, catering, Staples bill and more.

I'm not selfish, just stubborn and usually right.

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