joether
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Also, its YOUR responsibility (as a citizen) to know what bills are being passed into laws in this nation. If your allowing someone else to do that job, then in effect, they are telling you how to think and reason. Since you'll never check on the information, they can give you totally bogus material. Not a wise thing when it comes to your healthcare...
To quote nancy pelosi - "We have to pass this bill to find out what's in it." So even the bought and paid for crooks in DC didn't know what it said.
For every one quote from a Democrat, I can give you one from former President George W. Bush that was either 'mindless' or 'dumb'. I'm going to let you in on a little secret that most educated people know: those in elected office of Congress, do not read most of the bills cover-to-cover before the vote. They do have many persons that do the reading and explain the major and minor points to them.
You have failed in your responsibility as a citizen, and cant handle it like an adult. So you give some cheap and lame attack....
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You are the one who has allowed the govt to think for you.
"I'm rubber, your glue, what ever you say, bounc....." Really? How immature are you? Can you behave like an adult for at least five nanoseconds of your life?
In order for your childish comment to be true, I would have to agree, 100% with the President. I don't agree with him about 25-40% of the time. Unlike you it seems, I understand the guy's thinking and why he is taking a particular path. Again, unlike you, I realize that the President doesn't exist to do my sole bidding; that there are 310+ million people in this country, and he is trying to appeal to many groups of people at once.
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Any person, elected or not, EARNS respect does not deserve it just because of the position they hold.
Your right about the person. But I did not say the person, did I? I said....THE POSITION. I, unlike you, respect the Office of the President as its important to a document that I feel is important to America: The US Constitution. While I may dislike the Speaker of the House, I *still* show respect for the position itself.
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Medicare premiums and co pays ARE CONTROLLED BY CONGRESS - NOT THE PRIVATE SECTOR.
Its a funny thing, how the national economic apparatus operates in America. For most people they just do not understand how it all fits together. That things must come from government, without realizing that things flow into government. If the government controlled the costs, everything cost a mere penny (per item). Since things do not cost a penny, the government must not control the costs, right?
Go take a few economics courses at the college level. They'll explain the 'national economic apparatus', and how it operates in the nation. I know it enough to understand it. Explaining it.....well, that could be a bit tough....
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Medicare - like obombacare the private worker is FORCED to pay into it and FORCED at age 65 to use it. Govt employees are not. What does that tell you.
An why is that? BECAUSE IT WAS VOTED UPON! I'm surprised this concept of 'American Government' is totally lost on you. Maybe you should repeat the first five grades; that's usually were they start explaining this stuff...
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obombacare - buy it or pay fine which is levied thru the IRS.
An what fine is that? Could you explain to me? The exact terms of this fine?
An there in lies the problem you have. You have no clue what your babbling about.
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obombacare was challenged in court because the govt CANNOT pass any law that does not apply to everyone equally. A crook in black robe ignored our Constitution and Bill of Rights.
Wow.....just.....wow.....
You really have no clue what your talking about. You do know not listening to the news keeps you more informed than listening to conservative media, right? The 'crook in black robe' I am talking to mean the US Supreme Court Justices. Do you really not know anything about this branch of the federal government? Frankly, those justices have done more for conservatives than anyone else in the nation. Amusing that you slam them without realizing they have helped your political philosophy.
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If you had read the law you would know that ANY employer not butt buddies with the dUmocrat party that has cadillac plans for it's workers, those workers will be TAXED because they have a "better" plan, but not govt, unions, etc etc.
Yeah, like hell you have read the actual document. This 'argument' of yours makes no rational sense. Employees do not pay taxes on the healthcare they obtain from their employer; that is usually a 'perk' for working at the company.
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I am sure you have no idea how long it would take to read 2400 pages of legalese.
Actually I do. I separated 'the guts' from the front and back end of information (i.e. the 17 pages of amendments, appendixes, etc.). Then plopped the whole think into a text editor, brought the lines to 'single space' and normal writing margins (left, right, top, and bottom). Whole thing was about 680 pages long. Kind of like the first 'Game of Thrones' novel. While not as interesting, nobody got killed in it that I liked.
If I recall correctly, it took me about three weeks to read through the whole thing. Had questions along the way that I had to ask a legal expert friend of mine to answer. Its pretty dull read end-to-end. Works great if your having trouble falling asleep at night!
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AUSTRIA - NOT AUSTRALIA you are only off by ~10000 miles.
Yeah, well, they both start with 'Aust'.....search engines hate stuff like that. Regardless, what does the economy in Austria OR Australia, have to do with the United States?
BTW, masquerading as two different names on the same forum (Paladin9 and crazyLarry). Do the Moderators know about this?
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You have no idea what I know or do. For all you know I could be operating a electron microscope daily.
I'll take the educated guess of 'no'. Since those that use such devices in their professional life, voted for President Obama in the high numbers (94% and 96%) in both elections. Generally speaking, those people make it a point to be both well informed and write in a mature fashion on topics that are not their specialty.
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The republicians do not control the VA hosps. CONGRESS - I repeat for the mentally challenged CONGRESS CONTROLS THE MONEY. Ds & Rs.
You are uninformed. What is the Republican/Tea Party's sacred cow? The Defense Budget. Where does money come from to pay for those VA Hospitals? The Defense Budget. Right now, the Republican/Tea Party control the ability to make numerous improvements within the VA Hospitals. Why? Because they own the US House of Representatives. All they have to do is sent to the Senate (controlled by Democrats) a bill that seeks to pay funds to improve this hospitals and treat the Americans that go to them daily. Now why has that not happen yet?
The US Government controls the money, not the Democrats nor Republicans. In order for the money to be used, the House must agree on a bill, then send it to the Senate for a vote. Once that passes, it goes to the Office of the President to be veto'd or signed into law. Unless both the House and Senate pass with overwhelming numbers; in which case the matter passes the President. Its really sad that you do not understand this concept....
BTW, notice that while I dislike the Republican Party and the Tea Party, I do show respect for the two organizations of Americans. I do not refer to either group in a mean or slanderous manner. Why? Because I'm an adult. I'm mature on these things. I may not like Sen. Ted Cruz. But I do give him the correct title he was elected to, and his full name.
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If you think that a potus that spent more money, that we don't have, in his first 2.5 years in office than any other POTUS full term is a good president you are drinking too much kool-aid. This administration has more then tripled the deficit spending of any other POTUS.
Then you are a very uninformed individual.
Yes, the US Debt went up, and the US Deficit was high. Care to take a crack at why that is? Its in the history books. I'll even be a good sport and give you a hint: The Bush Administration (2000-2004).
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end of conversation joether, I can only spend so much time chipping away on concrete.
You have to start a conversation, for it to end. Since you 'dialogue' is nothing but a rambling rant of absolute garbage; Its hard to say you have started with a real argument as of yet. You didn't read The Affordable Care Act, your information has 'conservative talking points' written all over it, and frankly, I get better debates on government from sixth graders than from you!
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