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RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles - 4/17/2014 7:51:31 AM   
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Just curious. If this was just any homosexual, would you be so breathless? Would you support bashing homosexuals, or homosexual organizations?

Or do you suppose that your prosecution might reflect merely your bias against the Catholic church?



Pedophiles are not homosexuals! That is a disgusting accusation.



Predictable firestorm of manufactured bullshit.

I never said homosexuals were pedophiles.
I never said pedophiles were homosexual.

What I said was, if this WERE a homosexual, or a homosexual group (say, nambla, for example), do you suppose GotSteel's opposition would be quite so rabid.

Or put another way, since I don't see GotSteel protesting nambla, I suppose the answer is 'no'.

Or using his words..."Furthermore I don't suspect that I'd be talking about this if it wasn't the catholic church"

So finally for all the cretins that attempt to willfully misunderstand. I don't shy away from stating my opinions.
So when I believe that homosexuals are pedophiles, I'll say it myself.


The point, seemingly missed by most - is that every crime occurs in every organization. You have bad priests, bad jews, bad palestinians. Bad atheits, bad dominants. I find Gotsteels long tirades against the catholic church sensationalist, intolerant, and bigoted.

Is that clear enough?


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RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles - 4/17/2014 7:53:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux



Just curious. If this was just any homosexual, would you be so breathless? Would you support bashing homosexuals, or homosexual organizations?

Or do you suppose that your prosecution might reflect merely your bias against the Catholic church?



Pedophiles are not homosexuals! That is a disgusting accusation.



Predictable firestorm of manufactured bullshit.

I never said homosexuals were pedophiles.
I never said pedophiles were homosexual.

What I said was, if this WERE a homosexual, or a homosexual group (say, nambla, for example), do you suppose GotSteel's opposition would be quite so rabid.

Or put another way, since I don't see GotSteel protesting nambla, I suppose the answer is 'no'.

Or using his words..."Furthermore I don't suspect that I'd be talking about this if it wasn't the catholic church"

So finally for all the cretins that attempt to willfully misunderstand. I don't shy away from stating my opinions.
So when I believe that homosexuals are pedophiles, I'll say it myself.


The point, seemingly missed by most - is that every crime occurs in every organization. You have bad priests, bad jews, bad palestinians. Bad atheits, bad dominants. I find Gotsteels long tirades against the catholic church sensationalist, intolerant, and bigoted.

Is that clear enough?



You did it again. It remains just as repugnant.

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RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles - 4/17/2014 8:44:39 AM   
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One would think that after almost two millennia any remotely non evil organization would stop helping monsters rape babies if for no other reason, simply as a matter of practicality. But the catholic church seems bizarrely unable not to aid and abet pedophiles.

How the fuck do they manage to fail at morality this badly, it's just mind boggling?

I found the story at several other news sites, including the Washington Post, but in every case the link came up page not found. I don't know whether it just isn't at the original link anymore, or whether it got pulled. But the previous pope was defrocking priests almost every other day, and the 2010 guidelines require that "civil law concerning reporting of crimes to the appropriate authorities should always be followed." So it seems very peculiar.

I liked the "raping babies" bit, though. That was very creative, and it shows both the lack of bias and devotion to honesty that we've learned we can depend on from you.

K.

How is pedophile activity not rape? There is no question of consent being given. Children are deemed by law (and common sense) to be unable to give informed consent to any sexual activity. Therefore all pedophile activity is non-consensual or rape in common language.

You may have a case to object to "babies" being instead of "children" but there have been some cases of priests abusing very young infants. In fairness these cases appear to be the exception rather than the rule.

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RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles - 4/17/2014 8:45:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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Just curious. If this was just any homosexual, would you be so breathless? Would you support bashing homosexuals, or homosexual organizations?

Or do you suppose that your prosecution might reflect merely your bias against the Catholic church?



Pedophiles are not homosexuals! That is a disgusting accusation.



Predictable firestorm of manufactured bullshit.

I never said homosexuals were pedophiles.
I never said pedophiles were homosexual.

What I said was, if this WERE a homosexual, or a homosexual group (say, nambla, for example), do you suppose GotSteel's opposition would be quite so rabid.

Or put another way, since I don't see GotSteel protesting nambla, I suppose the answer is 'no'.

Or using his words..."Furthermore I don't suspect that I'd be talking about this if it wasn't the catholic church"

So finally for all the cretins that attempt to willfully misunderstand. I don't shy away from stating my opinions.
So when I believe that homosexuals are pedophiles, I'll say it myself.


The point, seemingly missed by most - is that every crime occurs in every organization. You have bad priests, bad jews, bad palestinians. Bad atheits, bad dominants. I find Gotsteels long tirades against the catholic church sensationalist, intolerant, and bigoted.

Is that clear enough?



You did it again. It remains just as repugnant.


Only in your factless mind.

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RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles - 4/17/2014 8:59:13 AM   
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The point, seemingly missed by most - is that every crime occurs in every organization. You have bad priests, bad jews, bad palestinians. Bad atheits, bad dominants. I find Gotsteels long tirades against the catholic church sensationalist, intolerant, and bigoted.



Yes all organisations have bad eggs within them.

What distinguishes the Catholic Church's culpibility in this matter is its decades long policy of shifting offending priests around to other parishes the culture of official protection given to offending priests by their superiors, settlements that deprived the abused from reporting their abuse to the police. It has taken at least 3 decades for the Church to adopt strong anti-pedophile policies and now we see reports that this stance is being watered down.

It is difficult to think of any other organisation that would have been allowed to survive decades of criminally conspiring to systematically protect pedophiles.



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RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles - 4/17/2014 9:13:53 AM   
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The point, seemingly missed by most - is that every crime occurs in every organization. You have bad priests, bad jews, bad palestinians. Bad atheits, bad dominants. I find Gotsteels long tirades against the catholic church sensationalist, intolerant, and bigoted.



Yes all organisations have bad eggs within them.

What distinguishes the Catholic Church's culpibility in this matter is its decades long policy of shifting offending priests around to other parishes the culture of official protection given to offending priests by their superiors, settlements that deprived the abused from reporting their abuse to the police. It has taken at least 3 decades for the Church to adopt strong anti-pedophile policies and now we see reports that this stance is being watered down.

It is difficult to think of any other organisation that would have been allowed to survive decades of criminally conspiring to systematically protect pedophiles.




Oh please.

Sealed settlements happen all the time - including in the judicial system, where for example all records are usually sealed for juveniles.

So its ok for the judicial system - just not the catholic church. Hypocrite.

As for "shuttling priests around".

First, I agree that some priests were (are) bad apples. That said - I think the University of Pennsylvania still exists.

Do you hear any serious uproar about that?

And I've seen no evidence the antipedophilia requirements are being watered down. The guideliness say each nation has to develop its own guidelines for how to deal with the issue.

Quoting the action piece: Local laws on reporting suspected crimes to the authorities "should always be followed," the guidelines say.

Read less bigoted reporting of the facts here:


http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/16/vatican-to-issue-new-sex-abuse-guidelines/

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pope-francis-names-woman-molested-by-priest-among-first-members-of-sex-abuse-commission-9210736.html?origin=internalSearch

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RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles - 4/17/2014 9:23:16 AM   
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Just curious. If this was just any homosexual, would you be so breathless? Would you support bashing homosexuals, or homosexual organizations?

Or do you suppose that your prosecution might reflect merely your bias against the Catholic church?



Pedophiles are not homosexuals! That is a disgusting accusation.



Predictable firestorm of manufactured bullshit.

I never said homosexuals were pedophiles.
I never said pedophiles were homosexual.

What I said was, if this WERE a homosexual, or a homosexual group (say, nambla, for example), do you suppose GotSteel's opposition would be quite so rabid.

Or put another way, since I don't see GotSteel protesting nambla, I suppose the answer is 'no'.

Or using his words..."Furthermore I don't suspect that I'd be talking about this if it wasn't the catholic church"

So finally for all the cretins that attempt to willfully misunderstand. I don't shy away from stating my opinions.
So when I believe that homosexuals are pedophiles, I'll say it myself.


The point, seemingly missed by most - is that every crime occurs in every organization. You have bad priests, bad jews, bad palestinians. Bad atheits, bad dominants. I find Gotsteels long tirades against the catholic church sensationalist, intolerant, and bigoted.

Is that clear enough?



You did it again. It remains just as repugnant.


Only in your factless mind.

Wrong.
Nambla is not a homosexual group. It is a pedophile group.

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RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles - 4/17/2014 9:26:25 AM   
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What I said was, if this WERE a homosexual, or a homosexual group (say, nambla, for example), do you suppose GotSteel's opposition would be quite so rabid.

NAMBLA is about as much of a "homosexual group" as the illegal slave trade is a dating network.

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Or put another way, since I don't see GotSteel protesting nambla, I suppose the answer is 'no'.

Am I highly opposed to NAMBLA. I also expect everyone else here is as well so there's no point in convincing the people here to be opposed to NAMBLA.

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Or using his words..."Furthermore I don't suspect that I'd be talking about this if it wasn't the catholic church"

This is the problem with selective listening. You missed the important part: BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE IN JAIL. If this were any other sort of organization committing the same organized crimes there would be no need to raise awareness on the issue as EVERYONE would already be against them.

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The point, seemingly missed by most - is that every crime occurs in every organization. You have bad priests, bad jews, bad palestinians. Bad atheits, bad dominants. I find Gotsteels long tirades against the catholic church sensationalist, intolerant, and bigoted.


No, not every organization contains child sex trafficking rings protected by long term international Pope down coverups. We all get that any organization if it's large enough will end up with a few bad apples. The difference with the Catholic Church is the massive international administrative efforts to protect child rapists from prosecution.

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RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles - 4/17/2014 9:29:44 AM   
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Just curious. If this was just any homosexual, would you be so breathless? Would you support bashing homosexuals, or homosexual organizations?

Or do you suppose that your prosecution might reflect merely your bias against the Catholic church?



Pedophiles are not homosexuals! That is a disgusting accusation.



Predictable firestorm of manufactured bullshit.

I never said homosexuals were pedophiles.
I never said pedophiles were homosexual.

What I said was, if this WERE a homosexual, or a homosexual group (say, nambla, for example), do you suppose GotSteel's opposition would be quite so rabid.

Or put another way, since I don't see GotSteel protesting nambla, I suppose the answer is 'no'.

Or using his words..."Furthermore I don't suspect that I'd be talking about this if it wasn't the catholic church"

So finally for all the cretins that attempt to willfully misunderstand. I don't shy away from stating my opinions.
So when I believe that homosexuals are pedophiles, I'll say it myself.


The point, seemingly missed by most - is that every crime occurs in every organization. You have bad priests, bad jews, bad palestinians. Bad atheits, bad dominants. I find Gotsteels long tirades against the catholic church sensationalist, intolerant, and bigoted.

Is that clear enough?



You did it again. It remains just as repugnant.


Only in your factless mind.

Wrong.
Nambla is not a homosexual group. It is a pedophile group.


I'm afraid your glaring, gaping logic gaps are showing again.

Its not the North American Man / Child love association. Its the north american man boy love association.

As in. Same Sex. Same sex, latin. Homosexual.

Ie it is certainly a group of homosexual pedophiles.


As in- you and GotSteel have fired off hundreds of blithering tirades against the catholic church because of your prejudices while remaining silent on biggest liberal homosexual group advocating for pedophilia.

Why is that?



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RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles - 4/17/2014 9:31:06 AM   
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Just curious. If this was just any homosexual, would you be so breathless? Would you support bashing homosexuals, or homosexual organizations?

Or do you suppose that your prosecution might reflect merely your bias against the Catholic church?



Pedophiles are not homosexuals! That is a disgusting accusation.



Predictable firestorm of manufactured bullshit.

I never said homosexuals were pedophiles.
I never said pedophiles were homosexual.

What I said was, if this WERE a homosexual, or a homosexual group (say, nambla, for example), do you suppose GotSteel's opposition would be quite so rabid.

Or put another way, since I don't see GotSteel protesting nambla, I suppose the answer is 'no'.

Or using his words..."Furthermore I don't suspect that I'd be talking about this if it wasn't the catholic church"

So finally for all the cretins that attempt to willfully misunderstand. I don't shy away from stating my opinions.
So when I believe that homosexuals are pedophiles, I'll say it myself.


The point, seemingly missed by most - is that every crime occurs in every organization. You have bad priests, bad jews, bad palestinians. Bad atheits, bad dominants. I find Gotsteels long tirades against the catholic church sensationalist, intolerant, and bigoted.

Is that clear enough?



You did it again. It remains just as repugnant.


Only in your factless mind.

Wrong.
Nambla is not a homosexual group. It is a pedophile group.


I'm afraid your glaring, gaping logic gaps are showing again.

Its not the North American Man / Child love association. Its the north american man boy love association.

As in. Same Sex. Same sex, latin. Homosexual.

Ie it is certainly a group of homosexual pedophiles.


You are a disgusting bigot of the worst sort. Take your hatred elsewhere.

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RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles - 4/17/2014 9:31:16 AM   
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Oh please.

Sealed settlements happen all the time - including in the judicial system, where for example all records are usually sealed for juveniles.

So its ok for the judicial system - just not the catholic church. Hypocrite.

As for "shuttling priests around".

First, I agree that some priests were (are) bad apples. That said - I think the University of Pennsylvania still exists.

Do you hear any serious uproar about that?




It is a fact that the Church protected offending pedophile priests by shifting them to other parishes where the priests carried on in the same manner and found new victims. This seems to have occurred across the Western world.

It is a fact that the Church did everything it could for years to prevent these offending priests being reported to the authorities or prosecuted. It is a fact that for decades the Church prioritised its own interests over those of the victims.

This consititutes, by any standard, criminal conspiracy to protect pedophiles on such an international scale that some lawyers have described it as a "crime against humanity" that ought to be tried in the World Court.

Your trivialisation of the Church's criminal behaviour, your attempts to whitewash this behaviour are ugly and offensive to the victims. Continual defences of the Church's appalling record in this area suggest that there has not been a genuine change of heart inside the Church, that its current stance is reluctant and driven by expediency and not any genuine sense of remorse or desire to change. While I hope this is not the case, posts such as yours suggest that there is still serious cause for concern over the Church's approach to its pedophile priests.

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RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles - 4/17/2014 9:37:31 AM   
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What distinguishes the Catholic Church's culpibility in this matter is its decades long policy of shifting offending priests around to other parishes the culture of official protection given to offending priests by their superiors, settlements that deprived the abused from reporting their abuse to the police.

Devout Catholics people my family, and this is precisely the aspect of the horror that most dismays and enrages them. They get, though they don't excuse, that broken people (abusers who may well have been abused themselves) do broken things. But the callousness and institution-first attitude of the hierarchy are truly infuriating.

I suspect the predator-shuffling and cover-up may partly be tragic by-products of priestly celibacy. That rule means that none of the bishops or monsignori making these decisions were parents themselves. None of them thought, "Dear God, that could have been my kid!" There's no way to prove it, of course, but my strong hunch is that clerics with families of their own would have been far less cavalier about threats to others' families.

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RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles - 4/17/2014 9:38:58 AM   
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It is a fact that the Church protected offending pedophile priests by shifting them to other parishes where the priests carried on in the same manner and found new victims. This seems to have occurred across the Western world.

It is a fact that the Church did everything it could for years to prevent these offending priests being reported to the authorities or prosecuted. It is a fact that for decades the Church prioritised its own interests over those of the victims.

This consitites, by any standard, criminal conspiracy to protect pedophiles on such a internationnal scale that some lawyers have described it as a "crime against humanity" that ought to be tried in the World Court.

Your trivialisation of the Church's criminal behaviour, your attempts to whitewash this behaviour are ugly and offensive to the victims. Continual defences of the Church's appalling record in this area suggest that there has not been a genuine change of heart inside the Church, that its current stance is reluctant and driven by expediency and not any genuine sense of remorse or desire to change. While I hope this is not the case, posts such as yours suggest that there is still serious cause for concern over the Church's approach to its pedophile priests.


Sure it is.

Quote me, liar.
Quote me one time where I said anything like what you suggest.

I am in full support for the full weight of the law in prosecution of pedophiles.

What I am against is the constant, unequal bashing of the catholic church.

Where is your outrage about muslim pedophilia?

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/routine-child-rape-by-afghan-police/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/afganistans-dancing-boys-are-invisible-victims/2012/04/04/gIQAyreSwS_story.html

http://southasia.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/10/28/an_afghan_tragedy_why_rampant_pedophilia_is_a_hurdle_to_peace

http://www.examiner.com/article/afghan-pedophilia-a-way-of-life-say-u-s-soldiers-and-journalists

Or if you want a more complete examination of the muslim support of pedophilia

http://www.answering-islam.org/Responses/Saifullah/aishahage.htm



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RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles - 4/17/2014 9:48:15 AM   
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What I am against is the constant, unequal bashing of the catholic church.


This shows a poor grasp of facts. The Catholic Church's reaction to pedophile priests in its ranks has been consistently indefensible. I tend to regard it as "reckless endangerment" of its parishioners, but what the OP posted seems more criminal to me -- i.e. actively looking for ways to not report criminal conduct.

The Catholic Church needs to outsource its criminal, child abuse claims to civil authorities, namely the police. This simple, clear-headed policy would have helped clear up the mess that mushroomed into an organizational catastrophe.

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RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles - 4/17/2014 9:58:05 AM   
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What I am against is the constant, unequal bashing of the catholic church.


This shows a poor grasp of facts. The Catholic Church's reaction to pedophile priests in its ranks has been consistently indefensible. I tend to regard it as "reckless endangerment" of its parishioners, but what the OP posted seems more criminal to me -- i.e. actively looking for ways to not report criminal conduct.

The Catholic Church needs to outsource its criminal, child abuse claims to civil authorities, namely the police. This simple, clear-headed policy would have helped clear up the mess that mushroomed into an organizational catastrophe.


I agree that the case posted is horrific.

And the reason that GotSteel posted it is to attack the catholic church. He is opposed to organized religion in any fashion and the catholic church in particular.

Regarding the catholic churches reaction to pedophile priests I suspect your entire opinion is formed from sensationalist reading. For example, have you actually read ANY of the church guidelines for handling this?

If not, then I suggest it is you, and not I, that has a poor grasp of the facts.

This is not to say that I do not hate every abuse that occurs. There are dozens of priests and bishops that I would happily string up.

However. To suggest what happened in a small percent of parishes, mostly in the united states, as representative of the catholic church is offensive.

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RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles - 4/17/2014 10:16:37 AM   
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Italy's bishops have adopted a policy, with backing from the Vatican, that states they are not obliged to inform police officers if they suspect a child has been molested.

This is in 2014. After all that's happened, one would think the policy would be the opposite. Imagine how this policy would fly if it was a public school system:

US public school superintendents have adopted a policy, with backing from the the National School Board, that states public school teachers and administrators are not obliged to inform police officers if they suspect a child has been molested.

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RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles - 4/17/2014 11:10:26 AM   
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We are not talking about a case, but a policy.

Italy's bishops have adopted a policy, with backing from the Vatican, that states they are not obliged to inform police officers if they suspect a child has been molested.

This is in 2014. After all that's happened, one would think the policy would be the opposite. Imagine how this policy would fly if it was a public school system:

US public school superintendents have adopted a policy, with backing from the the National School Board, that states public school teachers and administrators are not obliged to inform police officers if they suspect a child has been molested.

This. Yeah sure, I admit I'm no fan of organized religion and leading that pack is the catholic church but in this case I don't need to go find any pitchforks and torches. The church has (and continues to) provide them for me.

In essence, the church's stance is that embarrassment to the church is way more important than raping children. I happen to disagree... strongly. The funny thing (if there is a funny thing in all of this) is that I personally would not find it embarrassing if they just admitted the issue and dealt with it. Yup, there'll be plenty of bad apples in an organization the size of the catholic church. I get that. I personally would've applauded them dealing with this issue openly and plainly. I would not have faulted the church for a tiny handful of bad priests or even bishops or whatnot.

And for anyone that thinks my ire here is because it's the church, all you need to do is point me to ANY other institution doing similar shit and I'll be happy to spend some ire there also. Hell, I just struck McDonald's entirely off the list even though I liked them for a rare bit of breakfast comfort food. But as it turns out, they are importing slaves to Canada and that's about equally heinous in my mind to what the catholic church is doing.

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RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles - 4/17/2014 2:27:20 PM   
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In essence, the church's stance is that embarrassment to the church is way more important than raping children.


. . . And beneath that its utter belief in its exalted authority, I suspect. There's a higher law than the law of any land and the Catholic Church has sole access to it. Or something. Something way beyond arrogance, anyway. And beyond repulsiveness too, in my view.

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RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles - 4/17/2014 5:52:51 PM   
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Just curious. If this was just any homosexual, would you be so breathless? Would you support bashing homosexuals, or homosexual organizations?

Or do you suppose that your prosecution might reflect merely your bias against the Catholic church?



Pedophiles are not homosexuals! That is a disgusting accusation.



Predictable firestorm of manufactured bullshit.

I never said homosexuals were pedophiles.
I never said pedophiles were homosexual.

What I said was, if this WERE a homosexual, or a homosexual group (say, nambla, for example), do you suppose GotSteel's opposition would be quite so rabid.

Or put another way, since I don't see GotSteel protesting nambla, I suppose the answer is 'no'.

Or using his words..."Furthermore I don't suspect that I'd be talking about this if it wasn't the catholic church"

So finally for all the cretins that attempt to willfully misunderstand. I don't shy away from stating my opinions.
So when I believe that homosexuals are pedophiles, I'll say it myself.


The point, seemingly missed by most - is that every crime occurs in every organization. You have bad priests, bad jews, bad palestinians. Bad atheits, bad dominants. I find Gotsteels long tirades against the catholic church sensationalist, intolerant, and bigoted.

Is that clear enough?



You did it again. It remains just as repugnant.


Only in your factless mind.

Wrong.
Nambla is not a homosexual group. It is a pedophile group.


I thought it stood for The North American Man/Boy Love Association so I am going to have to admit that I thought it leaned toward homosexual behavior also. Not sure why they didn't reference little girls in there somewhere if that is what they are into.

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