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LookieNoNookie -> RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles (4/17/2014 7:38:38 PM)


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In other news, the sea is wet...


LOL




LookieNoNookie -> RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles (4/17/2014 7:44:42 PM)


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So, all the Papal orders to bishops to report and punish pedophilia in the priesthood are bullshit?

Of course one has to wonder about the fact that no mainstream news outlets have said anything about this, which means that the entire mainstream news media is under the control of the Catholic Church and not Obama!


JLF...I truly, honestly, absolutely expect the entire Catholic Diocese to come out en masse within the next 3 weeks and put out a collective global news release:

"Shit...you got us....we've been fondling innocent unsuspecting victims for decades now....sorry...we really didn't think you were paying that much attention....shit....sorry...honest, we really didn't think anyone actually noticed....we're gonna stop now....really".

(No....really)".




tweakabelle -> RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles (4/18/2014 12:49:43 AM)

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It is a fact that the Church protected offending pedophile priests by shifting them to other parishes where the priests carried on in the same manner and found new victims. This seems to have occurred across the Western world.

It is a fact that the Church did everything it could for years to prevent these offending priests being reported to the authorities or prosecuted. It is a fact that for decades the Church prioritised its own interests over those of the victims.

This consitites, by any standard, criminal conspiracy to protect pedophiles on such a internationnal scale that some lawyers have described it as a "crime against humanity" that ought to be tried in the World Court.

Your trivialisation of the Church's criminal behaviour, your attempts to whitewash this behaviour are ugly and offensive to the victims. Continual defences of the Church's appalling record in this area suggest that there has not been a genuine change of heart inside the Church, that its current stance is reluctant and driven by expediency and not any genuine sense of remorse or desire to change. While I hope this is not the case, posts such as yours suggest that there is still serious cause for concern over the Church's approach to its pedophile priests.


Sure it is.

Quote me, liar.
Quote me one time where I said anything like what you suggest.

I am in full support for the full weight of the law in prosecution of pedophiles.

What I am against is the constant, unequal bashing of the catholic church.

Where is your outrage about muslim pedophilia?



You demanded that I produce a quote of yours to support my claim that you have been "trivialising" and "whitewashing" the Church's track record:

"Sealed settlements happen all the time - including in the judicial system, where for example all records are usually sealed for juveniles. So its ok for the judicial system - just not the catholic church. Hypocrite.
As for "shuttling priests around". First, I agree that some priests were (are) bad apples. That said - I think the University of Pennsylvania still exists. Do you hear any serious uproar about that?"
(your post #26)

That's pretty clear evidence of an attempt to whitewash the systematic protection of pedophile priests by shuffling them off to a new parish when accusations of child rape have been made against them. Your question at the end suggests that you regard this as a trivial matter.

Even as you deny my accusations, there is an attempt to blame shift by poinnting the finger at Islam. Other posts, later in the thread, continue to belittle and triviallise the problem:
" To suggest what happened in a small percent of parishes, mostly in the united states, as representative of the catholic church is offensive."
Child rape by Catholic priests is an international problem with thousands of cases spread through out the West - the USA, the UK, Western Europe and here in Australasia. There were tens of thousands of victims over many years. The abuse continued after initial reports as the Church hierachy shuffled the perps around and hid them from prosecution.

To suggest that this a mere local matter is blatantly false and misleading




DomKen -> RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles (4/18/2014 2:55:04 AM)

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Just curious. If this was just any homosexual, would you be so breathless? Would you support bashing homosexuals, or homosexual organizations?

Or do you suppose that your prosecution might reflect merely your bias against the Catholic church?



Pedophiles are not homosexuals! That is a disgusting accusation.



Predictable firestorm of manufactured bullshit.

I never said homosexuals were pedophiles.
I never said pedophiles were homosexual.

What I said was, if this WERE a homosexual, or a homosexual group (say, nambla, for example), do you suppose GotSteel's opposition would be quite so rabid.

Or put another way, since I don't see GotSteel protesting nambla, I suppose the answer is 'no'.

Or using his words..."Furthermore I don't suspect that I'd be talking about this if it wasn't the catholic church"

So finally for all the cretins that attempt to willfully misunderstand. I don't shy away from stating my opinions.
So when I believe that homosexuals are pedophiles, I'll say it myself.


The point, seemingly missed by most - is that every crime occurs in every organization. You have bad priests, bad jews, bad palestinians. Bad atheits, bad dominants. I find Gotsteels long tirades against the catholic church sensationalist, intolerant, and bigoted.

Is that clear enough?



You did it again. It remains just as repugnant.


Only in your factless mind.

Wrong.
Nambla is not a homosexual group. It is a pedophile group.


I thought it stood for The North American Man/Boy Love Association so I am going to have to admit that I thought it leaned toward homosexual behavior also. Not sure why they didn't reference little girls in there somewhere if that is what they are into.

You are a homosexual, are you attracted to little girls? No? That is the difference. Pedophiles are not homosexuals even if their sexual attraction is to the same sex.




GotSteel -> RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles (4/18/2014 4:28:34 AM)


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The abuse continued after initial reports as the Church hierachy shuffled the perps around and hid them from prosecution.

This is the truly horrifying part. In O'Grady's case he was caught very early on in his pedophile career. The church promised the parents that he'd be sent to a monastery and never have access to children again. Then promptly gave him the same job about 40 miles away. He kept getting caught and the church kept covering it up and giving him more children. After one incident they even promoted him, giving him less oversight and more access to children.




thishereboi -> RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles (4/18/2014 4:56:46 AM)

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I thought it stood for The North American Man/Boy Love Association so I am going to have to admit that I thought it leaned toward homosexual behavior also. Not sure why they didn't reference little girls in there somewhere if that is what they are into.

You are a homosexual, are you attracted to little girls? No? That is the difference. Pedophiles are not homosexuals even if their sexual attraction is to the same sex.


No I am not attracted to little girls, but then again I also don't belong to a group calling themselves the north american women/girl love association either. If I did I would not be a bit surprised it someone saw that name that thought it meant homosexual. A homosexual is someone attracted to the same sex. If a guy is only attracted to other men then he is a homosexual. If he also likes to play with little boys he is still homosexual, the fact that he is a sick twisted pig doesn't change his sexual orientation.




GotSteel -> RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles (4/18/2014 5:57:10 AM)


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No I am not attracted to little girls, but then again I also don't belong to a group calling themselves the north american women/girl love association either. If I did I would not be a bit surprised it someone saw that name that thought it meant homosexual. A homosexual is someone attracted to the same sex. If a guy is only attracted to other men then he is a homosexual. If he also likes to play with little boys he is still homosexual, the fact that he is a sick twisted pig doesn't change his sexual orientation.


Does this mean an old man desiring to rape a nine month old female baby is the definition of heterosexual?




Phydeaux -> RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles (4/18/2014 6:55:37 AM)

It means he's a heterosexual pedophile.

You don't get to make up the meanings of words.




PeonForHer -> RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles (4/18/2014 8:15:20 AM)


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It means he's a heterosexual pedophile.

You don't get to make up the meanings of words.


I guess to most that would be like describing him as a 'short-haired paedophile or a long-haired paedophile'. Whether he's heterosexual or homosexual is neither here nor there.




Phydeaux -> RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles (4/18/2014 8:37:02 AM)

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It means he's a heterosexual pedophile.

You don't get to make up the meanings of words.


I guess to most that would be like describing him as a 'short-haired paedophile or a long-haired paedophile'. Whether he's heterosexual or homosexual is neither here nor there.


I get that you want to invent meanings to suit your purpose. But do not attack mine (ie when I accurately describe nambla as a homosexual group).






PeonForHer -> RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles (4/18/2014 8:53:01 AM)


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I get that you want to invent meanings to suit your purpose. But do not attack mine (ie when I accurately describe nambla as a homosexual group).



I've got no idea how you relate my comment to your response there, Phydeaux.




Phydeaux -> RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles (4/18/2014 8:58:24 AM)

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It is a fact that the Church protected offending pedophile priests by shifting them to other parishes where the priests carried on in the same manner and found new victims. This seems to have occurred across the Western world.

It is a fact that the Church did everything it could for years to prevent these offending priests being reported to the authorities or prosecuted. It is a fact that for decades the Church prioritised its own interests over those of the victims.

This consitites, by any standard, criminal conspiracy to protect pedophiles on such a internationnal scale that some lawyers have described it as a "crime against humanity" that ought to be tried in the World Court.

Your trivialisation of the Church's criminal behaviour, your attempts to whitewash this behaviour are ugly and offensive to the victims. Continual defences of the Church's appalling record in this area suggest that there has not been a genuine change of heart inside the Church, that its current stance is reluctant and driven by expediency and not any genuine sense of remorse or desire to change. While I hope this is not the case, posts such as yours suggest that there is still serious cause for concern over the Church's approach to its pedophile priests.


Sure it is.

Quote me, liar.
Quote me one time where I said anything like what you suggest.

I am in full support for the full weight of the law in prosecution of pedophiles.

What I am against is the constant, unequal bashing of the catholic church.

Where is your outrage about muslim pedophilia?



You demanded that I produce a quote of yours to support my claim that you have been "trivialising" and "whitewashing" the Church's track record:

"Sealed settlements happen all the time - including in the judicial system, where for example all records are usually sealed for juveniles. So its ok for the judicial system - just not the catholic church. Hypocrite.
As for "shuttling priests around". First, I agree that some priests were (are) bad apples. That said - I think the University of Pennsylvania still exists. Do you hear any serious uproar about that?"
(your post #26)

That's pretty clear evidence of an attempt to whitewash the systematic protection of pedophile priests by shuffling them off to a new parish when accusations of child rape have been made against them. Your question at the end suggests that you regard this as a trivial matter.

Even as you deny my accusations, there is an attempt to blame shift by poinnting the finger at Islam. Other posts, later in the thread, continue to belittle and triviallise the problem:
" To suggest what happened in a small percent of parishes, mostly in the united states, as representative of the catholic church is offensive."
Child rape by Catholic priests is an international problem with thousands of cases spread through out the West - the USA, the UK, Western Europe and here in Australasia. There were tens of thousands of victims over many years. The abuse continued after initial reports as the Church hierachy shuffled the perps around and hid them from prosecution.

To suggest that this a mere local matter is blatantly false and misleading


I dispute your characterization that there are tens of thousands of cases. Yet even if they were they represent less than .0001% of all catholics

So again. I encourage the full prosecution of the law against these
Priests and bishops that shielded them.

And I state again that my objection is not to the legal process taking is course but to the blatantly anti Catholic bigoted points if view of many of the posters including yourself.

I gave as an example of that the fact that there are literally millions of cases of pedophilia in the Muslim world. In fact more than a million cases in Afghanistan alone. Ie 100 times the scandal in the Catholic chirch... and this leads to not a shred of outrage.

You manufacture Outrage that the Catholic Church dies not condemn b pedophilia which I show to be false by providing a quote saying that all crimes must be reported per local law. And Hypocritically dismiss it when I point out the Muslim teaching doesn't even condemn it.

So I'll say it again: I am a appalled by errors the Catholic Church has made. And I am just as appalled at the blatant bigoted and repulsive posts by you, gotsteel. And others.




dcnovice -> RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles (4/18/2014 11:05:03 AM)

FR

On the NAMBLA front, I think we've been blurring two distinct questions:

(a) Does NAMBLA, to the extent it still exists, advocate for a form of homoeroticism? Yes.

(b) Is it representative of the bulk of gay men? No.




GotSteel -> RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles (4/18/2014 11:19:17 AM)

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It means he's a heterosexual pedophile.

You don't get to make up the meanings of words.


You're the one making up the meanings of words:

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According to Dr. Fred Berlin, a Johns Hopkins University professor who founded the National Institute for the Study, Prevention and Treatment of Sexual Trauma in Baltimore, Md., pedophilia is a distinct sexual orientation marked by persistent, sometimes exclusive, attraction to prepubescent children. Dr. John Bradford, a University of Ottawa psychiatrist who has spent 23 years studying pedophilia--which is listed as an illness in the manual psychiatrists use to make diagnoses--estimates its prevalence at maybe 4% of the population. (Those attracted to teenagers are sometimes said to suffer "ephebophilia," but perhaps because so many youth-obsessed Americans would qualify, psychiatrists don't classify ephebophilia as an illness.)


Pedophile not homosexual IS the sexual orientation. A pedophile may or may not have an age preference or gender preference but that doesn't mean you can make up the meaning of words in order to change someone's orientation from pedophile to homosexual.




thishereboi -> RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles (4/18/2014 4:11:40 PM)


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No I am not attracted to little girls, but then again I also don't belong to a group calling themselves the north american women/girl love association either. If I did I would not be a bit surprised it someone saw that name that thought it meant homosexual. A homosexual is someone attracted to the same sex. If a guy is only attracted to other men then he is a homosexual. If he also likes to play with little boys he is still homosexual, the fact that he is a sick twisted pig doesn't change his sexual orientation.


Does this mean an old man desiring to rape a nine month old female baby is the definition of heterosexual?


No it doesn't. It means he is a sick fuck.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles (4/18/2014 4:30:17 PM)


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I thought it stood for The North American Man/Boy Love Association so I am going to have to admit that I thought it leaned toward homosexual behavior also. Not sure why they didn't reference little girls in there somewhere if that is what they are into.

You are a homosexual, are you attracted to little girls? No? That is the difference. Pedophiles are not homosexuals even if their sexual attraction is to the same sex.


No I am not attracted to little girls, but then again I also don't belong to a group calling themselves the north american women/girl love association either. If I did I would not be a bit surprised it someone saw that name that thought it meant homosexual. A homosexual is someone attracted to the same sex. If a guy is only attracted to other men then he is a homosexual. If he also likes to play with little boys he is still homosexual, the fact that he is a sick twisted pig doesn't change his sexual orientation.



NAMBLA....older men interested in little boys (not little girls). Men interested in boys.

Males (older) interested in other males (younger).

Kinda seems homosexual to me and....fucked up beyond repair.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles (4/18/2014 4:31:20 PM)


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FR

On the NAMBLA front, I think we've been blurring two distinct questions:

(a) Does NAMBLA, to the extent it still exists, advocate for a form of homoeroticism? Yes.

(b) Is it representative of the bulk of gay men? No.


But......




DomKen -> RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles (4/18/2014 4:51:20 PM)

This will explain what I'm trying to tell some of you.
http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/faculty_sites/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html




Phydeaux -> RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles (4/18/2014 4:54:13 PM)

My apologies for the lost posts.



Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles - 4/18/2014 3:55:30 PM

Phydeux

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I gave as an example of that the fact that there are literally millions of cases of pedophilia in the Muslim world. In fact more than a million cases in Afghanistan alone. Ie 100 times the scandal in the Catholic chirch... and this leads to not a shred of outrage.



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So I'll say it again: I am a appalled by errors the Catholic Church has made. And I am just as appalled at the blatant bigoted and repulsive posts by you, gotsteel. And others.


Errors promoting a priest for raping a baby is more than an error.

And you've spoken about priests and bishops but what about the previous pedo-pope? He should be brought to justice right?



Sorry champ

I'm far more interested in talking about

According to the study, "Archives of Sexual Behavior," some 86 percent of pedophiles described themselves as homosexual or bisexual. Also, the study found, the number of teenage male prostitutes who identify as homosexuals has risen from 10 percent to 60 percent in the past 15 years.


* In 1995 the homosexual magazine "Guide" said, "We can be proud that the gay movement has been home to the few voices who have had the courage to say out loud that children are naturally sexual" and "deserve the right to sexual expression with whoever they choose. " The article went on to say: "Instead of fearing being labeled pedophiles, we must proudly proclaim that sex is good, including children's sexuality we must do it for the children's sake."

Child molestation and pedophilia occur far more commonly among homosexuals than among heterosexuals on a per capita basis, according to a new study.


In her thesis also written for the Regent University Law Review Reisman cited psychologist Eugene Abel, whose research found that homosexuals "sexually molest young boys with an incidence that is occurring from five times greater than the molestation of girls. "

Abel also found that non-incarcerated "child molesters admitted from 23.4 to 281.7 acts per offender whose targets were males."

"The rate of homosexual versus heterosexual child sexual abuse is staggering," said Reisman, who was the principal investigator for an $800,000 Justice Department grant studying child pornography and violence. "Abel,s data of 150.2 boys abused per male homosexual offender finds no equal (yet) in heterosexual violations of 19.8 girls."


Gay press promotes sex with children

Baldwin says his research not only "confirms that homosexuals molest children at a rate vastly higher than heterosexuals," but it found that "the mainstream homosexual culture" even "commonly promotes sex with children."

"The editorial board of the leading pedophile academic journal, Paidika, is dominated by prominent homosexual scholars such as San Francisco State University professor John DeCecco, who happens to edit the Journal of Homosexuality," Baldwin wrote.

During his research, he also found:

* The Journal of Homosexuality recently published a special double-issue entitled, "Male Intergenerational Intimacy," containing many articles portraying sex between men and minor boys as loving relationships. One article said parents should look upon the pedophile who loves their son "not as a rival or competitor, not as a theft of their property, but as a partner in the boy's upbringing, someone to be welcomed into their home."



* In a study of advertisements in the influential homosexual newspaper, The Advocate, Reisman found ads for a "Penetrable Boy Doll available in three provocative positions. She also found that the number of erotic boy images in each issue of The Advocate averaged 14

"The editorial board of the leading pedophile academic journal, Paidika, is dominated by prominent homosexual scholars such as San Francisco State University professor John DeCecco, who happens to edit the Journal of Homosexuality," Baldwin wrote.


"The rate of homosexual versus heterosexual child sexual abuse is staggering," said Reisman, who was the principal investigator for an $800,000 Justice Department grant studying child pornography and violence. "Abel,s data of 150.2 boys abused per male homosexual offender finds no equal (yet) in heterosexual violations of 19.8 girl

So a number of points.
1. It certainly is standard parlance to identify pedophiles as homosexual or heterosexual.

2. Nambla absolutely is a homosexual pedophilia group.

3. The homosexual movement has Just as significsnt.. If not more so problem with pedophilia as the cath church.

In fact the incidence of pedophilia among homosexuals is greater than the incidence of pedophilia in Catholic priests.

I don't condemn homosexuals because of it. But I do condemn your hypocritical standard in attacking the Catholic church.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: Catholic church STILL aiding and abetting phedophiles (4/18/2014 4:54:56 PM)


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This will explain what I'm trying to tell some of you.
http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/faculty_sites/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html


Dom (koff) Ken...the Catholic church prefers those that are not adults, susceptible.

They (then priests) need to get married.

They need pussy.

Kinda covers it all, whether you're a Catholic or not.




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