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RE: DOJ / IRS coordinated policy to investigate Tea Par... - 4/19/2014 3:59:24 PM   
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Do you think you could debate like a grown up?

It might make your challenges seem a bit more worth taking seriously.


Just curious. Which point did you object to - the request for a creditable source or the fact that this canard originated with dimocrat talking points?

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RE: DOJ / IRS coordinated policy to investigate Tea Par... - 4/19/2014 4:01:35 PM   
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And the point goes sailing over your head, so you move instead to an invented either/or assumption -- all while continuing to fail to debate like an adult.

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RE: DOJ / IRS coordinated policy to investigate Tea Par... - 4/19/2014 4:12:56 PM   
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And the point goes sailing over your head, so you move instead to an invented either/or assumption -- all while continuing to fail to debate like an adult.


It is a poor assumption that I miss your putative point.

Rather that I contest the assertion and chose to make fun of it.

I would also note that your snark is such a wonderfully hypocritical example. *You* be adult, while I get to be sarcastic and juvenile.

Sterling example!

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RE: DOJ / IRS coordinated policy to investigate Tea Par... - 4/19/2014 4:16:10 PM   
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It's not a contest.

I'm pointing out that if you wish your arguments to be taken seriously, this is something standing in your way.

Arguing just to not be taken seriously seems a waste of time. But I guess it's your time to waste.


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RE: DOJ / IRS coordinated policy to investigate Tea Par... - 4/19/2014 6:38:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

It's been known for well over a year that groups from both sides were targeted.


No.
It's well known that such a statement was made.
It's almost as well known that the statement was technically true but, in effect, a lie.

WTF?
Groups from both sides got extra scrutiny and liberal groups were actually turned down while no conservative groups were. There is no way you can spin that to not be true.


Creditable source please?
Say, for an example, the inspector general's report? As opposed to dimocrat talking points which is EXACTLY where this canard originated.

IRS Inspector General's sworn testimony in front of Issa's committee on 7/18/2013
http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/18/politics/irs-scandal/
So no it is not a canard and it did not originate anywhere but in reality.

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RE: DOJ / IRS coordinated policy to investigate Tea Par... - 4/25/2014 9:11:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

It's been known for well over a year that groups from both sides were targeted.


No.
It's well known that such a statement was made.
It's almost as well known that the statement was technically true but, in effect, a lie.

WTF?
Groups from both sides got extra scrutiny and liberal groups were actually turned down while no conservative groups were. There is no way you can spin that to not be true.


Creditable source please?
Say, for an example, the inspector general's report? As opposed to dimocrat talking points which is EXACTLY where this canard originated.

IRS Inspector General's sworn testimony in front of Issa's committee on 7/18/2013
http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/18/politics/irs-scandal/
So no it is not a canard and it did not originate anywhere but in reality.


Ah, so once again a link which doesn't say what you say it says.

Your link is to the Inspector General saying he got information on May 9 that wasn't provided during the initial exam.

Ie, the idea that "progressive" groups were targeted was never examined in the IG report, and at the time of the testimony hadn't been proven.

So, in summation: It wasn't in the IG report. And the only representation that "progressive" groups were targeted were made by democrats.

And, in fact, it is the sworn testimony of IRS agents that no "progressive" groups were targeted.

For example: http://townhall.com/tipsheet/christinerousselle/2014/04/08/report-no-progressive-groups-targeted-by-irs-n1820489

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RE: DOJ / IRS coordinated policy to investigate Tea Par... - 4/25/2014 1:21:04 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

It's been known for well over a year that groups from both sides were targeted.


No.
It's well known that such a statement was made.
It's almost as well known that the statement was technically true but, in effect, a lie.

WTF?
Groups from both sides got extra scrutiny and liberal groups were actually turned down while no conservative groups were. There is no way you can spin that to not be true.


Creditable source please?
Say, for an example, the inspector general's report? As opposed to dimocrat talking points which is EXACTLY where this canard originated.

IRS Inspector General's sworn testimony in front of Issa's committee on 7/18/2013
http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/18/politics/irs-scandal/
So no it is not a canard and it did not originate anywhere but in reality.


Ah, so once again a link which doesn't say what you say it says.

Your link is to the Inspector General saying he got information on May 9 that wasn't provided during the initial exam.

Ie, the idea that "progressive" groups were targeted was never examined in the IG report, and at the time of the testimony hadn't been proven.

So, in summation: It wasn't in the IG report. And the only representation that "progressive" groups were targeted were made by democrats.

And, in fact, it is the sworn testimony of IRS agents that no "progressive" groups were targeted.

For example: http://townhall.com/tipsheet/christinerousselle/2014/04/08/report-no-progressive-groups-targeted-by-irs-n1820489


Bullshit you just lied again.
What the IG actually reported was this
quote:

the word "progressive" also was on a list of criteria for extra scrutiny of tax-exempt applications.

Now of course we know quite a bit more than that despite the lies of some loser getting paid by clownhall.
In reality the "be on the look out" lists included more progressive words and terms and only included tea party for a short time.
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2014/04/23/3429722/irs-records-tea-party/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Must suck to be taken in by such crap. So how long before you get another timeout?

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RE: DOJ / IRS coordinated policy to investigate Tea Par... - 4/25/2014 5:38:32 PM   
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targeting certain groups = profiling

Sometimes that just makes sense.

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What you permit, you promote.

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RE: DOJ / IRS coordinated policy to investigate Tea Par... - 4/25/2014 7:38:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

It's been known for well over a year that groups from both sides were targeted.


No.
It's well known that such a statement was made.
It's almost as well known that the statement was technically true but, in effect, a lie.

WTF?
Groups from both sides got extra scrutiny and liberal groups were actually turned down while no conservative groups were. There is no way you can spin that to not be true.


Creditable source please?
Say, for an example, the inspector general's report? As opposed to dimocrat talking points which is EXACTLY where this canard originated.

IRS Inspector General's sworn testimony in front of Issa's committee on 7/18/2013
http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/18/politics/irs-scandal/
So no it is not a canard and it did not originate anywhere but in reality.


Ah, so once again a link which doesn't say what you say it says.

Your link is to the Inspector General saying he got information on May 9 that wasn't provided during the initial exam.

Ie, the idea that "progressive" groups were targeted was never examined in the IG report, and at the time of the testimony hadn't been proven.

So, in summation: It wasn't in the IG report. And the only representation that "progressive" groups were targeted were made by democrats.

And, in fact, it is the sworn testimony of IRS agents that no "progressive" groups were targeted.

For example: http://townhall.com/tipsheet/christinerousselle/2014/04/08/report-no-progressive-groups-targeted-by-irs-n1820489


Bullshit you just lied again....


As usual only you are lying.

The IRS started red flagging conservative groups in 2010. The Inspector released his report in may 2013. After the report the IG was questioned before congress at which time he answered questions. To
At which time he said he had received allegations that "progressive" organizations were targeted.

Ie after the report. So no he actually 'reported' nothing. He also said he was distressed by the allegation since no such allegation was made during the audit.

Your link to a Democrat site supports my comment that democrats made the allegation that "profressive" groups we targeted.

In point of fact as IRS agent testimony revealed no targeting of "progrssive"(keyword) organizations occurred during the time frame on question. In fact the only targeting of dim groups was groups guilty of previous infractions such as acorn.

Now there are allegations that 2 years after the scandal broke (ie Jun 2013) that progressive groups were added to watch lists in order to advance the claim that you are making ie that dim groups were targeted but that's just obstruction of justice and freaky irrelev ant.

I'll state again that when Lerner was asked to name a single

Democrat group that was targeted she was unable to.
Regarding timeouts you've had far more than I..... my one instance was attempting to follow the instructions of one of our banned moderators....


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RE: DOJ / IRS coordinated policy to investigate Tea Par... - 4/25/2014 7:56:34 PM   
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Please trim your quotes.

Thank you.

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RE: DOJ / IRS coordinated policy to investigate Tea Par... - 4/25/2014 8:16:46 PM   
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As usual only you are lying.

The IRS started red flagging conservative groups in 2010. The Inspector released his report in may 2013. After the report the IG was questioned before congress at which time he answered questions. To
At which time he said he had received allegations that "progressive" organizations were targeted.

Ie after the report. So no he actually 'reported' nothing. He also said he was distressed by the allegation since no such allegation was made during the audit.

Your link to a Democrat site supports my comment that democrats made the allegation that "profressive" groups we targeted.

In point of fact as IRS agent testimony revealed no targeting of "progrssive"(keyword) organizations occurred during the time frame on question. In fact the only targeting of dim groups was groups guilty of previous infractions such as acorn.

Now there are allegations that 2 years after the scandal broke (ie Jun 2013) that progressive groups were added to watch lists in order to advance the claim that you are making ie that dim groups were targeted but that's just obstruction of justice and freaky irrelev ant.

I'll state again that when Lerner was asked to name a single

Democrat group that was targeted she was unable to.
Regarding timeouts you've had far more than I..... my one instance was attempting to follow the instructions of one of our banned moderators....


Bullshit yet again.
I'll repost so you cannot evade the truth
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2014/04/23/3429722/irs-records-tea-party/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

The lists provided to IRS agents to determine which groups got extra scrutiny included far more progressive terms.

Further it is a fact that progressive groups were denied 501(c)4 status
http://www.salon.com/2013/05/15/meet_the_group_the_irs_actually_revoked_democrats/

No, con group was actually denied which puts the lie to all the outrage from the right.

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RE: DOJ / IRS coordinated policy to investigate Tea Par... - 4/27/2014 8:34:34 AM   
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Yeah. No scandal here.

Unless you count the most politicized DOJ in history coordinating with the IRS to silence political opponents.

Tell me again why the DOJ dropped the charges against black panthers engaged in vote

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/04/16/uncovered-emails-show-lerner-talked-with-justice-about-irs-targeting/r intimidation?

Here's a lovely quote:

May 10, 2013: In an email to an aide responding to a request for information from a Washington Post reporter, Lerner admits that she “can’t confirm that there was anyone on the other side of the political spectrum” who had been targeted by the IRS

May 15, 2013: In an email from an aide to Lerner, the aide specifically mentions “Tea Party Organizations, the “Tea Party movement,” and “Tea Party Patriots” as organizations targeted by the IRS.


May 8, 2013: Lerner to Flax

I got a call today from Richard Pilger Director Elections Crimes Branch at DOJ … He wanted to know who at IRS the DOJ folk s [sic] could talk to about Sen. Whitehouse idea at the hearing that DOJ could piece together false statement cases about applicants who “lied” on their 1024s –saying they weren’t planning on doing political activity, and then turning around and making large visible political expenditures. DOJ is feeling like it needs to respond, but want to talk to the right folks at IRS to see whether there are impediments from our side and what, if any damage this might do to IRS programs.

I told him that sounded like we might need several folks from IRS…

May 9, 2013: Flax to Lerner

I think we should do it – also need to include CI [Criminal Investigation Division], which we can help coordinate. Also, we need to reach out to FEC. Does it make sense to consider including them in this or keep it separate?



As they should......these are law breakers and terrorists.....











Why should we give them exempt status?

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RE: DOJ / IRS coordinated policy to investigate Tea Par... - 4/28/2014 6:31:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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As usual only you are lying.

The IRS started red flagging conservative groups in 2010. The Inspector released his report in may 2013. After the report the IG was questioned before congress at which time he answered questions. To
At which time he said he had received allegations that "progressive" organizations were targeted.

Ie after the report. So no he actually 'reported' nothing. He also said he was distressed by the allegation since no such allegation was made during the audit.

Your link to a Democrat site supports my comment that democrats made the allegation that "profressive" groups we targeted.

In point of fact as IRS agent testimony revealed no targeting of "progrssive"(keyword) organizations occurred during the time frame on question. In fact the only targeting of dim groups was groups guilty of previous infractions such as acorn.

Now there are allegations that 2 years after the scandal broke (ie Jun 2013) that progressive groups were added to watch lists in order to advance the claim that you are making ie that dim groups were targeted but that's just obstruction of justice and freaky irrelev ant.

I'll state again that when Lerner was asked to name a single

Democrat group that was targeted she was unable to.
Regarding timeouts you've had far more than I..... my one instance was attempting to follow the instructions of one of our banned moderators....


Bullshit yet again.
I'll repost so you cannot evade the truth
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2014/04/23/3429722/irs-records-tea-party/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

The lists provided to IRS agents to determine which groups got extra scrutiny included far more progressive terms.

Further it is a fact that progressive groups were denied 501(c)4 status
http://www.salon.com/2013/05/15/meet_the_group_the_irs_actually_revoked_democrats/

No, con group was actually denied which puts the lie to all the outrage from the right.


The usual bulls hit again. Let me summarize the ig's letter for you.

1. The term progressive was never used for bolo screening and only appeared in a historical section.
2. The letter further stated that out of the 20 groups applying for tax-exempt status whose names contained "progress" or "progressive", 6 had been chosen for more scrutiny as compared to all of the 292 groups applying for tax-exempt status whose names contained "tea party", "patriot", or "9/12".[7](subscription required)[.
3. No progressive group was ever sent to the 7822 (aka Obama political director) for sitting on.
3. The irs routinely approves and denies groups. The fact that one progressive group had its application denied had nothing to do with illegal targeting.
4. No progressive groups were asked to provide every copy of their members books read our cops of their Web sites. In other words no progressive group faced illegal harassing scrutiny.

You are welcome to continue your efforts as a shill for the dim party.

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RE: DOJ / IRS coordinated policy to investigate Tea Par... - 4/28/2014 8:38:05 AM   
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Sorry buddy but carl rove wasn`t doing "community service"......


He was doing politics and we don`t give tax exempt status to groups doing politics....


And the IRS, was doing their job,keeping tax cheats from ripping off the American tax payer.


Funny thing about conservatives,they`re ok with random stop and frisk tactics targeting brown people.....and claim that stopping it "would tie the hands of law enforcement"


Yet when it`s white people.....conservatives......faking a charitable organisation and being sent a couple letters from from the IRS....they pretend to be victims......What a bunch of pussies......Jesus.....


Though I know the dummies really were never targeted for political retribution.....the way nixon did,ei. "the enemies list".Or the brown-shirtish way the geopee targeted and destroyed ACORN or most recently, Bridgegate......I take great comfort that they think they were .





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RE: DOJ / IRS coordinated policy to investigate Tea Par... - 4/28/2014 5:20:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

As usual only you are lying.

The IRS started red flagging conservative groups in 2010. The Inspector released his report in may 2013. After the report the IG was questioned before congress at which time he answered questions. To
At which time he said he had received allegations that "progressive" organizations were targeted.

Ie after the report. So no he actually 'reported' nothing. He also said he was distressed by the allegation since no such allegation was made during the audit.

Your link to a Democrat site supports my comment that democrats made the allegation that "profressive" groups we targeted.

In point of fact as IRS agent testimony revealed no targeting of "progrssive"(keyword) organizations occurred during the time frame on question. In fact the only targeting of dim groups was groups guilty of previous infractions such as acorn.

Now there are allegations that 2 years after the scandal broke (ie Jun 2013) that progressive groups were added to watch lists in order to advance the claim that you are making ie that dim groups were targeted but that's just obstruction of justice and freaky irrelev ant.

I'll state again that when Lerner was asked to name a single

Democrat group that was targeted she was unable to.
Regarding timeouts you've had far more than I..... my one instance was attempting to follow the instructions of one of our banned moderators....


Bullshit yet again.
I'll repost so you cannot evade the truth
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2014/04/23/3429722/irs-records-tea-party/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

The lists provided to IRS agents to determine which groups got extra scrutiny included far more progressive terms.

Further it is a fact that progressive groups were denied 501(c)4 status
http://www.salon.com/2013/05/15/meet_the_group_the_irs_actually_revoked_democrats/

No, con group was actually denied which puts the lie to all the outrage from the right.


The usual bulls hit again. Let me summarize the ig's letter for you.

1. The term progressive was never used for bolo screening and only appeared in a historical section.
2. The letter further stated that out of the 20 groups applying for tax-exempt status whose names contained "progress" or "progressive", 6 had been chosen for more scrutiny as compared to all of the 292 groups applying for tax-exempt status whose names contained "tea party", "patriot", or "9/12".[7](subscription required)[.
3. No progressive group was ever sent to the 7822 (aka Obama political director) for sitting on.
3. The irs routinely approves and denies groups. The fact that one progressive group had its application denied had nothing to do with illegal targeting.
4. No progressive groups were asked to provide every copy of their members books read our cops of their Web sites. In other words no progressive group faced illegal harassing scrutiny.

You are welcome to continue your efforts as a shill for the dim party.


You do understand more evidence has emerged since the IG report last spring, right? You are basing everything on a document that the actual IG admits did not even bother looking at anything beyond tea party groups.

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RE: DOJ / IRS coordinated policy to investigate Tea Par... - 4/28/2014 9:09:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

As usual only you are lying.

The IRS started red flagging conservative groups in 2010. The Inspector released his report in may 2013. After the report the IG was questioned before congress at which time he answered questions. To
At which time he said he had received allegations that "progressive" organizations were targeted.

Ie after the report. So no he actually 'reported' nothing. He also said he was distressed by the allegation since no such allegation was made during the audit.

Your link to a Democrat site supports my comment that democrats made the allegation that "profressive" groups we targeted.

In point of fact as IRS agent testimony revealed no targeting of "progrssive"(keyword) organizations occurred during the time frame on question. In fact the only targeting of dim groups was groups guilty of previous infractions such as acorn.

Now there are allegations that 2 years after the scandal broke (ie Jun 2013) that progressive groups were added to watch lists in order to advance the claim that you are making ie that dim groups were targeted but that's just obstruction of justice and freaky irrelev ant.

I'll state again that when Lerner was asked to name a single

Democrat group that was targeted she was unable to.
Regarding timeouts you've had far more than I..... my one instance was attempting to follow the instructions of one of our banned moderators....


Bullshit yet again.
I'll repost so you cannot evade the truth
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2014/04/23/3429722/irs-records-tea-party/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

The lists provided to IRS agents to determine which groups got extra scrutiny included far more progressive terms.

Further it is a fact that progressive groups were denied 501(c)4 status
http://www.salon.com/2013/05/15/meet_the_group_the_irs_actually_revoked_democrats/

No, con group was actually denied which puts the lie to all the outrage from the right.


The usual bulls hit again. Let me summarize the ig's letter for you.

1. The term progressive was never used for bolo screening and only appeared in a historical section.
2. The letter further stated that out of the 20 groups applying for tax-exempt status whose names contained "progress" or "progressive", 6 had been chosen for more scrutiny as compared to all of the 292 groups applying for tax-exempt status whose names contained "tea party", "patriot", or "9/12".[7](subscription required)[.
3. No progressive group was ever sent to the 7822 (aka Obama political director) for sitting on.
3. The irs routinely approves and denies groups. The fact that one progressive group had its application denied had nothing to do with illegal targeting.
4. No progressive groups were asked to provide every copy of their members books read our cops of their Web sites. In other words no progressive group faced illegal harassing scrutiny.

You are welcome to continue your efforts as a shill for the dim party.


You do understand more evidence has emerged since the IG report last spring, right? You are basing everything on a document that the actual IG admits did not even bother looking at anything beyond tea party groups.


Of course. Thats why I am so appalled by the use illegal abuse of power the obama administration is engaged in.
Quote me. Quote me anything that says prior to 2013 that any progressive groups were sent to the 7822.

If Nixon had tried to use the IRS to investigate his opponents.. WTF do you think would have happened?

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RE: DOJ / IRS coordinated policy to investigate Tea Par... - 4/28/2014 9:13:44 PM   
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blah blah blah





No one actually cares if the IRS actually does its job in an evenhanded, legal, transparent way.

The issue however, is that:

a). Dimocrats political foes were targeted for 'special' treatment.
b). Said treatment included questions nowhere authorized in law.
c). Said treatment protocols delivered by obama's political director.
d). Illegal coordination between the IRS and the DOJ. Political applications are supposed to be kept confidential until a ruling is made.
e). Lying under oath.


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RE: DOJ / IRS coordinated policy to investigate Tea Par... - 4/28/2014 9:25:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

As usual only you are lying.

The IRS started red flagging conservative groups in 2010. The Inspector released his report in may 2013. After the report the IG was questioned before congress at which time he answered questions. To
At which time he said he had received allegations that "progressive" organizations were targeted.

Ie after the report. So no he actually 'reported' nothing. He also said he was distressed by the allegation since no such allegation was made during the audit.

Your link to a Democrat site supports my comment that democrats made the allegation that "profressive" groups we targeted.

In point of fact as IRS agent testimony revealed no targeting of "progrssive"(keyword) organizations occurred during the time frame on question. In fact the only targeting of dim groups was groups guilty of previous infractions such as acorn.

Now there are allegations that 2 years after the scandal broke (ie Jun 2013) that progressive groups were added to watch lists in order to advance the claim that you are making ie that dim groups were targeted but that's just obstruction of justice and freaky irrelev ant.

I'll state again that when Lerner was asked to name a single

Democrat group that was targeted she was unable to.
Regarding timeouts you've had far more than I..... my one instance was attempting to follow the instructions of one of our banned moderators....


Bullshit yet again.
I'll repost so you cannot evade the truth
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2014/04/23/3429722/irs-records-tea-party/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

The lists provided to IRS agents to determine which groups got extra scrutiny included far more progressive terms.

Further it is a fact that progressive groups were denied 501(c)4 status
http://www.salon.com/2013/05/15/meet_the_group_the_irs_actually_revoked_democrats/

No, con group was actually denied which puts the lie to all the outrage from the right.


The usual bulls hit again. Let me summarize the ig's letter for you.

1. The term progressive was never used for bolo screening and only appeared in a historical section.
2. The letter further stated that out of the 20 groups applying for tax-exempt status whose names contained "progress" or "progressive", 6 had been chosen for more scrutiny as compared to all of the 292 groups applying for tax-exempt status whose names contained "tea party", "patriot", or "9/12".[7](subscription required)[.
3. No progressive group was ever sent to the 7822 (aka Obama political director) for sitting on.
3. The irs routinely approves and denies groups. The fact that one progressive group had its application denied had nothing to do with illegal targeting.
4. No progressive groups were asked to provide every copy of their members books read our cops of their Web sites. In other words no progressive group faced illegal harassing scrutiny.

You are welcome to continue your efforts as a shill for the dim party.


You do understand more evidence has emerged since the IG report last spring, right? You are basing everything on a document that the actual IG admits did not even bother looking at anything beyond tea party groups.


Of course. Thats why I am so appalled by the use illegal abuse of power the obama administration is engaged in.
Quote me. Quote me anything that says prior to 2013 that any progressive groups were sent to the 7822.

If Nixon had tried to use the IRS to investigate his opponents.. WTF do you think would have happened?


He did, it was one of the grounds they would have tried him on, had he not resigned, Nixon used the IRS to target political enemies. BTW, just to really rile you up, during the Bush years the IRS targeted liberal groups more often then conservative groups in terms of looking for illegal activity among 501c3 registered non profits. This was a time when evangelical churches were violating the laws, they were using churches to support candidates, used church money to place ads for candidates, all of which are illegal under tax law, non profits are not supposed to use 501c3 funds to work for candidates, nor can they use church space and facilities and equipment to help candidates.....but the Bush administration basically told the IRS to look the other way.

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RE: DOJ / IRS coordinated policy to investigate Tea Par... - 4/28/2014 9:39:18 PM   
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It would be really nice if phydeaux actually talked about facts, rather than throwing around the BS he does. The biggest lie I keep hearing from conservatives is how the IRS illegally targeted conservative groups, as if they were starting criminal investigations, kind of like the dirty tricks ole Tricky Dick pulled back in his day. Some facts, though as they say on Fox News, don't let facts stop you from having a good rant.....

1)The issue here are groups filing for tax exempt status under 501c4 status (not 03, significant). 501c4 are for groups advocating for issues, they are not supposed to be political, they are forbidden from actively supporting candidates and parties. When congress in its infinite wisdom created the category, that came out of Supreme Court decisions, they gave the IRS the right to give or not give 501c4 status to a group.

So what the IRS agents did, if anything, was to move tea party groups and such to the head of the line, they targeted them in terms of looking at their applications. By law, the iRS is supposed to review each application for worthiness, so at best, what they did was in effect take on groups they saw as likely offenders first, which does't quite reach the standard of 'targeting' groups for criminal investigation.

2)Something like 85% of the groups that applied for this designation were conservative groups (and probably 75% of them were funded by the Koch Brothers and their various groups), so the fact that a lot more conservative groups were targeted for further scrutiny is not surprising, given the ratio of applications.

In the end, all groups have to have their filing approved, so what seems to have happened here is they may have done extra diligence with groups they thought likely to get political, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that tea party groups tend to be very political and would be more likely to try and skirt the rules, and as to whether it constituted criminal activity, there were enough tea party groups caught violating various laws that they could argue for this profiling.

Put it this way, with all of Issa's grandstanding, it is like everything the man touches, it goes nowhere, the man has wasted more money and time on political vendettas and has found so far, nothing. He tried it with Benghazi, tried it with a variety of other things, and like the people who elect him, he is dumber than a mud fence and about as effective as a mud fence in a hurricane.

The reality is, most people don't care, the rednecks who do care will vote GOP anyway, and most other people don't care, the way they don't care about Bengazi or other republican fantasies.

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RE: DOJ / IRS coordinated policy to investigate Tea Par... - 4/28/2014 9:55:32 PM   
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It was a bush appointee sparky ha ha....and liberal groups also got (gasp?) a second letter too....



With zero connection to the White House as your party`s leaders have acknowledged......



If there was anything there.....we would have heard it by now Yes?.....I doubt there are any cons covering for the President.....












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