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ORIGINAL: chatterbox24

If one is legal and your nose is clean, being pulled over should not be a concern.
Police officers have a job to do and to do it correctly, they cant be going through a bunch of red tape all the time. It hinders their progress.
Will there be a rotten apple or two or three in the bunch, you bet, but may they also be exposed for what they do.

In ANY office, in ANY religion, in ANY community, in ANY etc, you have the rotten ones and they shall be exposed.

I know of some stories of abuse committed by police officers but I know more stories of real justice being served.

Most likely, if someone is pulled over, it is more of an inconvenience type thing, and if that's what people cry about, that's ridiculous. Its selfish. Most likely, if the job is done right, they aren't going to bother you, for some small infraction anyway.

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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess

This is what the SCOTUS blog says about the holding:

"Under the totality of the circumstances, the traffic stop precipitated by an anonymous but reliable tip to 911 complied with the Fourth Amendment because the officer had reasonable suspicion that the truck’s driver was intoxicated."

I've bolded all relevant sections because what the above does NOT say is that "an anonymous tip can be enough reason for the police to make a traffic stop." That's how you describe the ruling, but it's incomplete. Look again at the holding above. The following things have to be met for it to be a LEGAL stop:

1. Total circumstances must support the stop
2. The 911 tip can be anonymous but must also be RELIABLE
3. The officer must have reasonable suspicion of illegal activity

While this does give greater discretion to police officers and 911 operators to determine what seems "reliable" and what is "reasonable suspicion of illegal activity" it does not actually allow police officers to stop someone with just an anonymous tip. I can't just call in my neighbor's car description just for kicks. That would not meet this holding.

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ORIGINAL: Aynne88

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ORIGINAL: chatterbox24

If one is legal and your nose is clean, being pulled over should not be a concern.
Police officers have a job to do and to do it correctly, they cant be going through a bunch of red tape all the time. It hinders their progress.
Will there be a rotten apple or two or three in the bunch, you bet, but may they also be exposed for what they do.

In ANY office, in ANY religion, in ANY community, in ANY etc, you have the rotten ones and they shall be exposed.

I know of some stories of abuse committed by police officers but I know more stories of real justice being served.

Most likely, if someone is pulled over, it is more of an inconvenience type thing, and if that's what people cry about, that's ridiculous. Its selfish. Most likely, if the job is done right, they aren't going to bother you, for some small infraction anyway.

Not correct we are rapidly turning into a police sate and they thrive on fear and intimidation.http://www.policecrimes.com/police.html

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
Kitty Genovese.

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

A caller called, described an incident and gave a very good description of the suspect (vehicle). Believe it or not, just the fact that the description was so good makes me think it was a decent stop.

Forget the "irreproachable" driving the officer observed. One of the things taught to officers is that if someone is driving "too perfectly", they may have something to hide (I've been pulled over for driving the speed limit on a state highway, at night. The cop assumed I had bad credentials).

I think the officer, based on a report and a good description, had every right to pull the car over. After all, if your neighbors are having a loud party and you call the local constabulary, isn't that enough to generate a patrol car to, at least, drive by and see if they hear the noise? That's "investigation". That's what the officer was doing when he pulled the suspect vehicle over. That he smelled marijuana is the driver's problem (and goes to support the "driving too perfectly" theory).

In this particular case, the way you describe it, I don't see much of an issue.

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: Aynne88

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ORIGINAL: chatterbox24

If one is legal and your nose is clean, being pulled over should not be a concern.
Police officers have a job to do and to do it correctly, they cant be going through a bunch of red tape all the time. It hinders their progress.
Will there be a rotten apple or two or three in the bunch, you bet, but may they also be exposed for what they do.

In ANY office, in ANY religion, in ANY community, in ANY etc, you have the rotten ones and they shall be exposed.

I know of some stories of abuse committed by police officers but I know more stories of real justice being served.

Most likely, if someone is pulled over, it is more of an inconvenience type thing, and if that's what people cry about, that's ridiculous. Its selfish. Most likely, if the job is done right, they aren't going to bother you, for some small infraction anyway.

Not correct we are rapidly turning into a police sate and they thrive on fear and intimidation.http://www.policecrimes.com/police.html

So the correct response is smaller government. Vote dims out, tea party in.

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ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: Aynne88

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ORIGINAL: chatterbox24

If one is legal and your nose is clean, being pulled over should not be a concern.
Police officers have a job to do and to do it correctly, they cant be going through a bunch of red tape all the time. It hinders their progress.
Will there be a rotten apple or two or three in the bunch, you bet, but may they also be exposed for what they do.

In ANY office, in ANY religion, in ANY community, in ANY etc, you have the rotten ones and they shall be exposed.

I know of some stories of abuse committed by police officers but I know more stories of real justice being served.

Most likely, if someone is pulled over, it is more of an inconvenience type thing, and if that's what people cry about, that's ridiculous. Its selfish. Most likely, if the job is done right, they aren't going to bother you, for some small infraction anyway.

Not correct we are rapidly turning into a police sate and they thrive on fear and intimidation.http://www.policecrimes.com/police.html

So the correct response is smaller government. Vote dims out, tea party in.

actually the correct response is responsible government. The smaller government, the tea party wants just makes things worse from the lack of oversight.
Since the current problem is already happening with the current amount of oversight.
How less oversight over problems like this will be solved by making it harder for a problem to be stopped Makes absolutely no sense. if your wealthy friends would just get off their ass and give enough police officers, decent wages, and the resources police departments deserve to have, there would be no need for profiling in the first damn place.

.... This coming from the tea party the majority of whose members barely know what racial profiling is let alone be the subject of it.

.... This is America where it's supposed to be "innocent until proven guilty".... Racial profiling.... Or any other kind of profiling for that matter.... Is, "guilty until proven innocent" and just plain wrong.

....if you can't really understand, or you have some lame exception to that concept, then I submit that it's immensely unlikely that you've ever had to be subject to such profiling, and don't really care if it happens to anybody else, as long as it's not you.

That load of crap about "If one is legal and your nose is clean, being pulled over should not be a concern." This tells me that you don't really care about anybody else's time but your own.
There's something in your mental makeup that you consider my time to be less valuable to Me than yours is to you?? REALLY?? I really don't have 20 min. (or more) to waste on somebody else's paranoia when I'm minding my own business and him I'm obeying the law just like you are.

How about "If one is legal and your nose is clean, you shouldn't be pulled over in the first place, no matter what you look like. " Which is the way America's supposed to work in the first place??

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ORIGINAL: chatterbox24

We had a situation where are 4 wheeler was stolen out of our barn in the middle of the night. We called the police and gave the Vin numbers. We had no descriptions of people nor vehicles. Two vehicles were pulled over carrying 4 wheelers. The first vehicle pulled over was innocent, and I am sure they were not really happy about it, it was an inconvenience. The second vehicle pulled over was carrying the stolen property, and the man behind the wheel had just been released for doing this same thing previously. Theft.

I was pulled over about 10 years ago and my car searched, due to an armed robbery of a convenience store, where the vehicle matched mines description, but they had no plate numbers. Was it a little embarrassing? Yes. What else were they suppose to do in that situation? I minded but I understood their position.

My step nephews truck was pulled over by an anonymous call with plates, the report was the vehicle was waving a gun at passers on the interstate. He had his daughter with him. They had them lay along side of the road, and his 14 year old daughter to search the vehicle. No gun was found. Considering the job he does, that would be the bad apple call. A vengeful call. Now who was responsible for that injustice? The caller or the police.

It goes both ways. People are going to have different opinions.

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ORIGINAL: ThirdWheelWanted

Maybe I'm being dim, but what exactly does Kitty Genovese have to do with the previous posters comment or the thread in general? IIRC, Kitty Genovese was raped and murdered while neighbors watched and did nothing. Was there an anonymous call that was placed and ignored in that case?

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

if your wealthy friends would just get off their ass and give enough police officers, decent wages, and the resources police departments deserve to have, there would be no need for profiling in the first damn place.

Cops here make over 100k per year. There does not seem to be any shortage of money just a shortge of cops who want to actually do police work.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: chatterbox24

We had a situation where are 4 wheeler was stolen out of our barn in the middle of the night. We called the police and gave the Vin numbers. We had no descriptions of people nor vehicles. Two vehicles were pulled over carrying 4 wheelers. The first vehicle pulled over was innocent, and I am sure they were not really happy about it, it was an inconvenience. The second vehicle pulled over was carrying the stolen property, and the man behind the wheel had just been released for doing this same thing previously. Theft.

I was pulled over about 10 years ago and my car searched, due to an armed robbery of a convenience store, where the vehicle matched mines description, but they had no plate numbers. Was it a little embarrassing? Yes. What else were they suppose to do in that situation? I minded but I understood their position.

My step nephews truck was pulled over by an anonymous call with plates, the report was the vehicle was waving a gun at passers on the interstate. He had his daughter with him. They had them lay along side of the road, and his 14 year old daughter to search the vehicle. No gun was found. Considering the job he does, that would be the bad apple call. A vengeful call. Now who was responsible for that injustice? The caller or the police.

It goes both ways. People are going to have different opinions.

Then of course there is "my cousin vinny"

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


Funny how a dims response to any problem is always more govt.

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ORIGINAL: chatterbox24

I have this really good herbal tea I picked up its called "If I only had a Brain"

and I am not even kidding, IM going to brew me some. Want a sip?


I am sooooooooooooo going to get in trouble today. Mod 3 is going to hack and slash me.