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Islam STILL aiding and abetting pedophilia. - 4/26/2014 7:17:03 AM   
MrBukani


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Child marriages are still approved of in many muslim countries.
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RE: Islam STILL aiding and abetting pedophilia. - 4/26/2014 11:38:47 AM   
Politesub53


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Status: offline 		And child rape is still rife in the West, whats your point ?

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RE: Islam STILL aiding and abetting pedophilia. - 4/26/2014 12:08:25 PM   
MrBukani


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Rape is criminal
Marriage of a child without consent is not rape?

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RE: Islam STILL aiding and abetting pedophilia. - 4/26/2014 1:27:45 PM   
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And child rape is still rife in the West, whats your point ?


There's a difference between criminal rape and institutionalized culturally mandated rape. If you can't see that you might want to take a back seat on questions of moral import.

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RE: Islam STILL aiding and abetting pedophilia. - 4/26/2014 2:21:53 PM   
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"No one religious affiliation was associated with child marriage, according to a 2007 ICRW study. Rather, a variety of religions are associated with child marriage in countries throughout the world."

http://www.icrw.org/child-marriage-facts-and-figures






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RE: Islam STILL aiding and abetting pedophilia. - 4/26/2014 2:50:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Child marriage is nothing new.

There was a time not too long ago where you could marry at age 13 with a parent's permission.

Part of a campaign against child marriage in the U.S.
https://archive.org/details/ChildBride


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RE: Islam STILL aiding and abetting pedophilia. - 4/26/2014 2:52:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Marriage Hot SpotsRank Country Name % girls married before 18
1 Niger 75 Muslim.
2 Chad 68 Muslim
3 Central African Republic 68 Indigenous
4 Bangladesh 66 Muslim
5 Guinea 63 Muslim
6 Mozambique 56 24% Catholic, 18% Muslim
7 Mali 55 Muslim
8 Burkina Faso 52 Muslim
9 South Sudan 52 Muslim
10 Malawi 50 Christian
11 Madagascar 48 Indigenous
12 Eritrea 47 No statistics, Muslim presumed.
13 India 47 Hindu
14 Somalia 45 Muslim
15 Sierra Leone 44 Muslim
16 Zambia 42 Christian
17 Dominican Republic 41 Catholic
18 Ethiopia 41 Orthodox
19 Nepal 41 Hindu
20 Nicaragua Catholic


So while child marriage is not exactly the same as pedophilia - it is clear from the UN world book figures that 10+ of the top 20 spots for child marriage are muslim countries.

Have the leaders of the muslim faiths condemned child marriage?
(No, in fact they have insisted that western values are an attack on the islamic faith).

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RE: Islam STILL aiding and abetting pedophilia. - 4/26/2014 2:58:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Marriage before 18 is not child marriage. Way to make up your own facts there.

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RE: Islam STILL aiding and abetting pedophilia. - 4/26/2014 3:25:38 PM   
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Marriage before 18 is not child marriage. Way to make up your own facts there.



Really? Marriage at 9 (which is before 18) is not child marriage?

What you mean to say is *some* marriage before 18 is not child marriage. Agreed. But the UN doesn't keep any better statistics that I know of. And it is widely considered an accurate measuring stick for actual child marriage.

Nice try. Notice you still haven't condemned muslim pedophilia. Why is that?

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RE: Islam STILL aiding and abetting pedophilia. - 4/26/2014 3:27:47 PM   
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Marriage before 18 is not child marriage. Way to make up your own facts there.



Depends on one's definition of adulthood.

Too many privileged in the U.S. seem to think an hour before age 18 you are still a child with no judgement and no responsibility. And too many that want to make the customs of their local tribe something enforced on us all at gunpoint.

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RE: Islam STILL aiding and abetting pedophilia. - 4/26/2014 3:39:50 PM   
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And child rape is still rife in the West, whats your point ?


There's a difference between criminal rape and institutionalized culturally mandated rape. If you can't see that you might want to take a back seat on questions of moral import.


There is no fucking difference to those who have been raped, so dont tell me I need a back seat.

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RE: Islam STILL aiding and abetting pedophilia. - 4/26/2014 3:42:58 PM   
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Marriage before 18 is not child marriage. Way to make up your own facts there.



Really? Marriage at 9 (which is before 18) is not child marriage?

What you mean to say is *some* marriage before 18 is not child marriage. Agreed. But the UN doesn't keep any better statistics that I know of. And it is widely considered an accurate measuring stick for actual child marriage.

Nice try. Notice you still haven't condemned muslim pedophilia. Why is that?


You are still talking bollocks....... why is that ? The notion the west is any better, or ever was, is laughable.

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RE: Islam STILL aiding and abetting pedophilia. - 4/26/2014 3:49:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


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And child rape is still rife in the West, whats your point ?


There's a difference between criminal rape and institutionalized culturally mandated rape. If you can't see that you might want to take a back seat on questions of moral import.


There is no fucking difference to those who have been raped, so dont tell me I need a back seat.



uh, yeah, you do need to take a back seat, because you have no concept of scope or severity of charge, most victims in countries where raping a child is criminal don't then have to live with their rapist for the rest of their lives, and it's hardly commonplace. You are derailing a legitimate cultural issue debate attempting to call attention to the mass rape and forced enslavement of entire generations of young women in islamic countries in the name of bringing attention to something we already know is wrong and are opposed to unanimously, presumably to curry sympathy for objectively evil people.

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RE: Islam STILL aiding and abetting pedophilia. - 4/26/2014 3:56:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Trismagistus


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


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ORIGINAL: Trismagistus


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

And child rape is still rife in the West, whats your point ?


There's a difference between criminal rape and institutionalized culturally mandated rape. If you can't see that you might want to take a back seat on questions of moral import.


There is no fucking difference to those who have been raped, so dont tell me I need a back seat.



uh, yeah, you do need to take a back seat, because you have no concept of scope or severity of charge, most victims in countries where raping a child is criminal don't then have to live with their rapist for the rest of their lives, and it's hardly commonplace. You are derailing a legitimate cultural issue debate attempting to call attention to the mass rape and forced enslavement of entire generations of young women in islamic countries in the name of bringing attention to something we already know is wrong and are opposed to unanimously, presumably to curry sympathy for objectively evil people.


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RE: Islam STILL aiding and abetting pedophilia. - 4/26/2014 3:57:03 PM   
Politesub53


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Status: offline 		Oh I got your drift ages ago. Anyone who doesnt agree with you is "derailing" thats despite the fact you see what you wish and no more. The whole premise of this thread was for no other reason than to derail the debate on the abuse that has been covered up for decades, or even centuries, by the Catholic Church.

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RE: Islam STILL aiding and abetting pedophilia. - 4/26/2014 3:59:29 PM   
Politesub53


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Status: offline 		Phydeaux..... You are just as bad as he is...... Set your own backyard in order and then get back to me, hopefully without quoting your islamophobic buddy Spencer.

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RE: Islam STILL aiding and abetting pedophilia. - 4/26/2014 4:01:59 PM   
Trismagistus


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Status: offline 		I learned a long time ago that the best way to avoid having your kids molested by the catholic church is not to buy into catholicism, sadly you are once again forgetting to note the severity and scope of offense, what you are describing is an issue with a religion, what we're describing is an issue that faces entire nations that are controlled by a religion. Last time I checked the catholics didn't have the political clout to make priests diddling their sunday school charges legal as is the case in what we're discussing.

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RE: Islam STILL aiding and abetting pedophilia. - 4/26/2014 4:09:15 PM   
Politesub53


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Status: offline 		Sadly you dont have a clue what the fuck you are talking about. Child marriages are as much a cultural issue as a religious one with many muslim nations having an age of consent.

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RE: Islam STILL aiding and abetting pedophilia. - 4/26/2014 4:10:50 PM   
Trismagistus


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Status: offline 		You're the one defending forced marriage and child rape, and I'm the one who has no clue what they're talking about, cute, but your moral relativist "it's okay that's their culture" bullshit doesn't remove the filth from the practice or the suffering it causes.

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RE: Islam STILL aiding and abetting pedophilia. - 4/26/2014 4:12:55 PM   
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Marriage before 18 is not child marriage. Way to make up your own facts there.



Really? Marriage at 9 (which is before 18) is not child marriage?

What you mean to say is *some* marriage before 18 is not child marriage. Agreed. But the UN doesn't keep any better statistics that I know of. And it is widely considered an accurate measuring stick for actual child marriage.

Nice try. Notice you still haven't condemned muslim pedophilia. Why is that?

It depends on the culture.

We here are able to marry legally at aged 16 - still below your quoted age of 18.
Would you classify that as pedophilia and rape?
Many other countries and cultures are also legally allowed to marry before aged 18.

In Poland, Romania, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Indonesia, Argentina and Peru, the legal age is 16.
In Mali, Benin, Niger, DRC, Cameroon, Iran, Costa Rica and Gabon, it's 15.
In Bolivia, Venezuela, Mexico, Mozambique and Madagascar, it's 14.
Equatorial Guinea is 12.
In Sudan and Saudi Arabia there is no age limit whatsoever.
Source: http://chartsbin.com/view/sr6
And note that quite a few of those countries are not Islamic, but Christian (notably Catholic).

Across India and other muslim countries, being betrothed before teenage years is very common and accepted in that culture.
Whilst we in the west deplore such arrangements and call it pedophilia, in many other cultures it's perfectly acceptable and universally allowed.

And who are we to judge others by our own moral yardstick?
Pot and kettle come to mind here

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