CloakedProtector
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FieryOpal, you probably missed this phrase in my post: "I was not pleading for the non and never involved submissive or so. " As well as this one: "...take educated decisions...." An educated decision includes listening to all House members and that includes the subs/slaves if they have something to contribute. That is COMMUNICATION ... it is NOT DEMOCRACY indeed because after all opinions have been heard someone will decide. From where I stand it is the Dominants task to at some point decide. If, as was discussed in an other post, he can within the/a negotiated framework decide on intimate shaving or not then I think he can decide whether his sub/slave calls him Sir, Master or HoneyPoney. The more that his choice could serve a purpose (part of training, rules, discipline, conformity with their BDSM club regulation, etc) behind the scope of the arguments that the sub/slave has lined up. Now let that be the particularity of this lifestyle that when the vanilla rules (which I find perfect for modern vanilla relation) start to dominate the BDSM lifestyle you quickly end up with diluted BDSM. It is my personal opinion, and I'll respect all others that would even strongly deviate from it, that when you are in a BDSM relationship you should FEEL that you are in one and therefore it needs to be different from a vanilla one. The topic at hand is a good example. If in a vanilla relation a partner calls the other one, say, honey, then in GENERAL they don't discuss (as far as I know) whether the other agrees, they just each use their preferred term of endearment. And, as you are in the lifestyle you will know that one of the TOP 3 requests of submissives is: NOT HAVING TO MAKE DECISIONS (some don't even want any involvement). It is part of giving up control and part of the experience, a way of clearing their mind from the intricacies of live too. Furthermore their is even a BDSM discipline that completely aims for the extreme implementation of that (TPE). Another example is behavioural training including verbal. Why do we train: "Yes, Sir", No, Sir", "Thank You, Sir". Why do we have rules that apply in certain circumstances saying that you will only speak when spoken too? Why do we train "the Master" and forbid the possessive form "my Master", certainly in poly, why at all is this part of the many disciplines of BDSM if the Dominant can't even, after consultation, make a choice that fits his plan, that fits what he is aiming for in his House? So again, if the Master that started this thread communicated (which he clearly did) and a difference in opinion/preference is present (which is clearly the case) and it last unreasonably long (14 days since it is on this board for such a simple thing compared to most other stuff where decisions are at order) then in a BDSM lifestyle (which they are clearly living) the Master takes a decision. He can go as-well for Sir as for Master, at his discretion, because maybe he likes Sir more but goes for Master because actually he doesn't care how he is called and grants his sub/slave the pleasure - why not. In all cases he communicated. But no, we certainly don't HAVE TO put it to the vote if it is within the negotiated boundaries, we can but don't have to, IMO.
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