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GotSteel -> RE: What do the atheists get right? (5/1/2014 12:58:47 AM)


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ORIGINAL: chatterbox24

Ben are you telling me I am a Jewish atheist Protestant?
Your a hoot. I wrote that out and got to laughing.



Are you noticing how facts have to change in order to support his beliefs?




GotSteel -> RE: What do the atheists get right? (5/1/2014 1:12:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel
BM are you a virgin?


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ORIGINAL:BM
So it is your opinion that sex makes you smarter?

Well that's a weird way of looking at things, but in a limited sense I suppose the answer is yes. Having sex does make one more knowledgeable about having sex.

P.S. Are you a virgin?




freedomdwarf1 -> RE: What do the atheists get right? (5/1/2014 4:50:01 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM
You are buying the propaganda because you are not a deep thinker.

Do you realize just how offensive these remarks are BM??

No, obviously not because you wouldn't make them if you weren't so wrapped up in your own religious stance.
Oh wait.... you would! Because you can't help yourself in your ignorance of everything outside of your bubble.

Very clever BM.
Word things in such a way as to insult everybody but not so openly as to get yourself moderated.




chatterbox24 -> RE: What do the atheists get right? (5/1/2014 5:10:47 AM)

This is what I think, OUCH, my brain hurts.[:D]

If he is, well that would be quite extraordinary. Absolutely nothing wrong with it. IN fact that would be beyond the norm and beyond temptation so its a good thing. To the faithful that can indicate pure.

I think Ben is probably super smart, and along with being super smart, sometimes social cues are missed, or frankly he doesn't care, because some of us seem a little DUMB. Or a lot dumb.

I don't care if he is a virgin or not, but I do wonder what Bens IQ is?

That would be more of the question I would be interested in.




PeonForHer -> RE: What do the atheists get right? (5/1/2014 5:11:36 AM)

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You are buying the propaganda because you are not a deep thinker.


You are mistaken. Don't try that line with me, BM - I promise you it'll get you nowhere. [;)]




GotSteel -> RE: What do the atheists get right? (5/1/2014 5:50:49 AM)


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ORIGINAL: chatterbox24
I don't care if he is a virgin or not, but I do wonder what Bens IQ is?


What causes you to think that he's "super smart"?




chatterbox24 -> RE: What do the atheists get right? (5/1/2014 6:04:30 AM)


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ORIGINAL: GotSteel


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ORIGINAL: chatterbox24
I don't care if he is a virgin or not, but I do wonder what Bens IQ is?


What causes you to think that he's "super smart"?



Various reasons.
I am guessing.





chatterbox24 -> RE: What do the atheists get right? (5/1/2014 6:14:10 AM)


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ORIGINAL: GotSteel


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ORIGINAL: chatterbox24

Ben are you telling me I am a Jewish atheist Protestant?
Your a hoot. I wrote that out and got to laughing.



Are you noticing how facts have to change in order to support his beliefs?


He is correct in a way really. He is obviously a devout Catholic, one way.
I am not an atheist at all, but I do try to relate to other faiths, or people in general. I read about different faiths, and I will say oh I like that part of their faith, and then read another and say well that's good too! I don't understand being an atheist because believing is just part of my fabric, there is no other way, that's just who I am. Mostly the difference I see between my faith and that of another is I believe Jesus was the Messiah, and another faith might call a deity by another name, or believe the Messiah never came yet. If they preach peace though, I can identify with that religion.




GotSteel -> RE: What do the atheists get right? (5/1/2014 6:43:28 AM)


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ORIGINAL: chatterbox24
Various reasons.


Such as?




chatterbox24 -> RE: What do the atheists get right? (5/1/2014 6:54:59 AM)


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ORIGINAL: GotSteel


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ORIGINAL: chatterbox24
Various reasons.


Such as?



Let me ask you, this is interesting to me. Do Atheist get knowings? And if you do, do you dismiss them? If there is no reasoning to it, is it something you dont investigate?
A knowing is not something that is however, always correct, and it doesn't have to make rhythm nor reason. Its an instinct. It can be wrong too, but this I find very curious. Do you mind answering?




Zonie63 -> RE: What do the atheists get right? (5/1/2014 6:59:24 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM

You are buying the propaganda because you are not a deep thinker. You are not looking into the implications of your beliefs.


I've tried to engage you a couple of times with some deep thinking which would look into the implications of our beliefs, but you seem to be ignoring me. Is it your purpose just to throw out random one-liners without really wanting to get into any real depth?




Zonie63 -> RE: What do the atheists get right? (5/1/2014 7:16:20 AM)


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ORIGINAL: chatterbox24


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ORIGINAL: GotSteel


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ORIGINAL: chatterbox24
Various reasons.


Such as?



Let me ask you, this is interesting to me. Do Atheist get knowings? And if you do, do you dismiss them? If there is no reasoning to it, is it something you dont investigate?
A knowing is not something that is however, always correct, and it doesn't have to make rhythm nor reason. Its an instinct. It can be wrong too, but this I find very curious. Do you mind answering?


I suppose anyone can get a hunch or an impression of something or someone. We can all make guesses from time to time, although the problem with guessing is that most of the time we are wrong. However, once in a while, we might guess right.

There doesn't have to be any rhyme or reason to it, as long as one knows that one is guessing and knows the limitations of guessing and the probability of being wrong.




chatterbox24 -> RE: What do the atheists get right? (5/1/2014 7:37:10 AM)

Thank you for answering, somewhat[:D]

True. Could be right, could be wrong, but basically its a leap of faith, which is a bit scarey. If you believe you are being lead in the right direction and act on it, it also can be very beneficial. And Ben isn't talking to me either[:D] Which is fine. To be expected.[sm=rofl.gif] puney protestant.




Zonie63 -> RE: What do the atheists get right? (5/1/2014 9:45:43 AM)


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ORIGINAL: chatterbox24

Thank you for answering, somewhat[:D]

True. Could be right, could be wrong, but basically its a leap of faith, which is a bit scarey. If you believe you are being lead in the right direction and act on it, it also can be very beneficial. And Ben isn't talking to me either[:D] Which is fine. To be expected.[sm=rofl.gif] puney protestant.


I'm not sure if anyone is "led" in any particular direction. I was originally baptized and raised Catholic myself, although that may have been an accident of birth more than anything else. I suppose I could have been born somewhere else on the planet and raised in some other religion. My father converted to Catholicism when he married my mother, but most of his family was Protestant. Neither of them actually remained Catholics, though. My mother's parents were real devout, however (although my grandmother also converted when she married my grandmother, as her family was also Protestant).

As for me, my parents stopped going to church after they were divorced, although my brother and I continued going for a few years with our grandparents, but that didn't last. If anything, I was probably being led away from the church, although not from religion entirely. My mother became a Hindu, and seemed rather bitter about the Catholic church, especially her 12 years of Catholic schooling that she was forced to endure. For this reason, I didn't have to go to Catholic school. My father eventually found himself at home in a Methodist church, but I didn't see that I was being led to any particular religion. I went through various phases of studying different religions and religious texts, but in the end, they all just seemed like elaborate "guesses" to me.

Along the way, I've encountered a few self-proclaimed "messiahs" and one guy who deciphered a mathematical code to the Quran, in which he considered a miraculous proof of its divine origins. However, he ended up murdered by some other Muslim sect who thought he was guilty of heretical teachings. And so it goes...

The only thing that seems evident in what I've seen is that nobody really knows if any of this stuff is really true or not. All anyone can do is speculate and guess.




freedomdwarf1 -> RE: What do the atheists get right? (5/1/2014 10:13:39 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Zonie63


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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM

You are buying the propaganda because you are not a deep thinker. You are not looking into the implications of your beliefs.


I've tried to engage you a couple of times with some deep thinking which would look into the implications of our beliefs, but you seem to be ignoring me. Is it your purpose just to throw out random one-liners without really wanting to get into any real depth?

That's pretty much all he does, no matter what the original topic is. [8|]


ETA: good answer to chatterbox tho [:)]




freedomdwarf1 -> RE: What do the atheists get right? (5/1/2014 10:19:29 AM)


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ORIGINAL: chatterbox24
He is correct in a way really. He is obviously a devout Catholic, one way.

He isn't even a devout or good catholic - it's his own version of it. [:D]

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ORIGINAL: chatterbox24
...I don't understand being an atheist because believing is just part of my fabric, there is no other way, that's just who I am.

Can you not believe in yourself??
I'm not atheist or agnostic but I can relate that these people do just that; ie, believe in themselves.
I have never understood why some people need the crutch of someone or something else to believe in.




chatterbox24 -> RE: What do the atheists get right? (5/1/2014 10:35:12 AM)

Appreciate your story. Very interesting how different we all are and how things determine our direction or belief system.
I also appreciate American Indian wisdom because I had a great grandmother who was half Cherokee indian.
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ORIGINAL: Zonie63


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ORIGINAL: chatterbox24

Thank you for answering, somewhat[:D]

True. Could be right, could be wrong, but basically its a leap of faith, which is a bit scarey. If you believe you are being lead in the right direction and act on it, it also can be very beneficial. And Ben isn't talking to me either[:D] Which is fine. To be expected.[sm=rofl.gif] puney protestant.


I'm not sure if anyone is "led" in any particular direction. I was originally baptized and raised Catholic myself, although that may have been an accident of birth more than anything else. I suppose I could have been born somewhere else on the planet and raised in some other religion. My father converted to Catholicism when he married my mother, but most of his family was Protestant. Neither of them actually remained Catholics, though. My mother's parents were real devout, however (although my grandmother also converted when she married my grandmother, as her family was also Protestant).

As for me, my parents stopped going to church after they were divorced, although my brother and I continued going for a few years with our grandparents, but that didn't last. If anything, I was probably being led away from the church, although not from religion entirely. My mother became a Hindu, and seemed rather bitter about the Catholic church, especially her 12 years of Catholic schooling that she was forced to endure. For this reason, I didn't have to go to Catholic school. My father eventually found himself at home in a Methodist church, but I didn't see that I was being led to any particular religion. I went through various phases of studying different religions and religious texts, but in the end, they all just seemed like elaborate "guesses" to me.

Along the way, I've encountered a few self-proclaimed "messiahs" and one guy who deciphered a mathematical code to the Quran, in which he considered a miraculous proof of its divine origins. However, he ended up murdered by some other Muslim sect who thought he was guilty of heretical teachings. And so it goes...

The only thing that seems evident in what I've seen is that nobody really knows if any of this stuff is really true or not. All anyone can do is speculate and guess.





chatterbox24 -> RE: What do the atheists get right? (5/1/2014 10:47:35 AM)

Kicks the dinosaur in the tail lol. I just told you who I was, just as you cant imagine believing I cant imagine not. Just the way it is. Its not a matter of not believing in yourself, its a matter of believing in something greater. Shrugs shoulders. We are all wired a bit different.
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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1


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ORIGINAL: chatterbox24
He is correct in a way really. He is obviously a devout Catholic, one way.

He isn't even a devout or good catholic - it's his own version of it. [:D]

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ORIGINAL: chatterbox24
...I don't understand being an atheist because believing is just part of my fabric, there is no other way, that's just who I am.

Can you not believe in yourself??
I'm not atheist or agnostic but I can relate that these people do just that; ie, believe in themselves.
I have never understood why some people need the crutch of someone or something else to believe in.






Kirata -> RE: What do the atheists get right? (5/1/2014 10:52:23 AM)


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

Can you not believe in yourself??

He who does not see God in the next person he meets need look no further. ~Mahatma Gandhi

K.





freedomdwarf1 -> RE: What do the atheists get right? (5/1/2014 10:54:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: chatterbox24

Kicks the dinosaur in the tail lol. I just told you who I was, just as you cant imagine believing I cant imagine not. Just the way it is. Its not a matter of not believing in yourself, its a matter of believing in something greater. Shrugs shoulders. We are all wired a bit different.

Ah!! that's the difference that you didn't elude to originally. lol
You said you had to believe; you didn't clarify that you need to believe in "something greater".
But who's to say you can't believe in your own self as a "greater" being/person than you are at present?

Personally, I believe that needing a crutch, whatever your belief is, stops you attaining your dreams because all your dreams are rooted in and directed at something else.

Each to his own I guess.


ETA: And I do believe... mainly in myself, not something that I cannot prove to even exist.




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