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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

What a crappy article. I wanted to know two things.

1. How does it work? Saying some drivel about a RF stopwatch doesn't adequately describe it.
2. What are the grounds that the gun fans don't like this gun for?

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ORIGINAL: MercTech

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

What a crappy article. I wanted to know two things.

1. How does it work? Saying some drivel about a RF stopwatch doesn't adequately describe it.
2. What are the grounds that the gun fans don't like this gun for?

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-04-28/why-smart-guns-wont-transform-the-u-dot-s-dot-firearm-industry

RFID chip in a bracelet or watch or an active computer signal from a bracelet or watch.
Safety engaged on firearm unless it senses rfid or active electronic id unit within range.

Upside: no one can use your firearm without having the authorizing piece of jewelry. The enabling wrist watch was introduced as also having a GPS tracker in it.

Downside: Your firearm can fail due to a dead battery for the electronics. The firearm can be remotely disabled. The enabling electronics with GPS tracker can log every time and where you discharged the firearm and could have transmission capability. You can be identified remotely as a firearms owner and tracked wherever you go with such a bracelet.

The concept of a smart firearm for police that could not be used by criminals has been in development for decades. Then a couple of uber liberal anti gun fanatics called for federal funding to develop this technology further and make it mandatory on firearms sold in the U.S. after some future date.

It didn't even make it to a committee for research before the uproar that the government was going to require mandatory embedded tracking in all gun owners.

My personal take is that anything that requires an electronic signal to function can, and eventually will, be cracked.
I consider identification chip technology that you cannot put away and proceed without remote ID to be a very very bad idea. I'm willing to out up it in my passport but not attached to me where I can't remove it.

Some fringe groups have gone over the top with the objections to electronically disabled firearms by threatening the manufacturers and intimidating retailers that were taking orders for such. With the decades long attacks on legal firearms ownership I don't find it surprising.

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ORIGINAL: MercTech

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

What a crappy article. I wanted to know two things.

1. How does it work? Saying some drivel about a RF stopwatch doesn't adequately describe it.
2. What are the grounds that the gun fans don't like this gun for?

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-04-28/why-smart-guns-wont-transform-the-u-dot-s-dot-firearm-industry

RFID chip in a bracelet or watch or an active computer signal from a bracelet or watch.
Safety engaged on firearm unless it senses rfid or active electronic id unit within range.

Upside: no one can use your firearm without having the authorizing piece of jewelry. The enabling wrist watch was introduced as also having a GPS tracker in it.

Downside: Your firearm can fail due to a dead battery for the electronics. The firearm can be remotely disabled. The enabling electronics with GPS tracker can log every time and where you discharged the firearm and could have transmission capability. You can be identified remotely as a firearms owner and tracked wherever you go with such a bracelet.

The concept of a smart firearm for police that could not be used by criminals has been in development for decades. Then a couple of uber liberal anti gun fanatics called for federal funding to develop this technology further and make it mandatory on firearms sold in the U.S. after some future date.

It didn't even make it to a committee for research before the uproar that the government was going to require mandatory embedded tracking in all gun owners.

My personal take is that anything that requires an electronic signal to function can, and eventually will, be cracked.
I consider identification chip technology that you cannot put away and proceed without remote ID to be a very very bad idea. I'm willing to out up it in my passport but not attached to me where I can't remove it.

Some fringe groups have gone over the top with the objections to electronically disabled firearms by threatening the manufacturers and intimidating retailers that were taking orders for such. With the decades long attacks on legal firearms ownership I don't find it surprising.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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ORIGINAL: MercTech

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

What a crappy article. I wanted to know two things.

1. How does it work? Saying some drivel about a RF stopwatch doesn't adequately describe it.
2. What are the grounds that the gun fans don't like this gun for?

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-04-28/why-smart-guns-wont-transform-the-u-dot-s-dot-firearm-industry

RFID chip in a bracelet or watch or an active computer signal from a bracelet or watch.
Safety engaged on firearm unless it senses rfid or active electronic id unit within range.

Upside: no one can use your firearm without having the authorizing piece of jewelry. The enabling wrist watch was introduced as also having a GPS tracker in it.

Downside: Your firearm can fail due to a dead battery for the electronics. The firearm can be remotely disabled. The enabling electronics with GPS tracker can log every time and where you discharged the firearm and could have transmission capability. You can be identified remotely as a firearms owner and tracked wherever you go with such a bracelet.

The concept of a smart firearm for police that could not be used by criminals has been in development for decades. Then a couple of uber liberal anti gun fanatics called for federal funding to develop this technology further and make it mandatory on firearms sold in the U.S. after some future date.

It didn't even make it to a committee for research before the uproar that the government was going to require mandatory embedded tracking in all gun owners.

My personal take is that anything that requires an electronic signal to function can, and eventually will, be cracked.
I consider identification chip technology that you cannot put away and proceed without remote ID to be a very very bad idea. I'm willing to out up it in my passport but not attached to me where I can't remove it.

Some fringe groups have gone over the top with the objections to electronically disabled firearms by threatening the manufacturers and intimidating retailers that were taking orders for such. With the decades long attacks on legal firearms ownership I don't find it surprising.

That electronics can be "cracked" is irrelevant. Physical items can be stolen--so let's not have any?

We bank electronically. We have military electronic weapons. If that's your only objection, it's not much of one.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

You admitted that you lied.

You're making shit up again.

K.

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

I'm just thinking what a royal pain in the ass this whole "smart gun" thing would have been today.

Eight of us went out to my plinking spot today, with four different gun owners bringing firearms along, and a couple first-timers to be watched over. Everybody shot everybody elses guns. What a safety hazard and fucking pain in the ass it would have been to keep swapping out secondary devices all day long.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
And think of what a mess a thunderstorm would make of the transmissions.

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
And think of what a mess a thunderstorm would make of the transmissions.

My spot is up off a dirt road, heading up a canyon, Bama. A thunderstorm would be an issue, regardless of radio ID chips.

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

I'm just thinking what a royal pain in the ass this whole "smart gun" thing would have been today.

Eight of us went out to my plinking spot today, with four different gun owners bringing firearms along, and a couple first-timers to be watched over. Everybody shot everybody elses guns.



What a safety hazard

What sort of safety hazard is trading wrist watches?


and fucking pain in the ass it would have been to keep swapping out secondary devices all day long.

How so? It would seem that just loading a magazine would require more effort.

(in reply to TheHeretic)

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

LIAR

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

I started out taking 18 and under and you accepted that definition. You didn't contest it at all. 

Well you're right there.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

If my gun is stolen I know it before it refuses to work.

Really???just how does that work?

You can take precautions against theft, you can't against jamming.

Obviously you do not know much about firearms.
Failure to function always has a cause. Prevent the cause,prevent the failure to function.
The most common failures to function are related to the clenliness of the weapon. The second is improper or faulty ammo. Then way down on the list in single digits are mechanical failures. So "yes virginia" one can and should take precautions both against theft and a failure to function.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Nice try at changing the focus.

No change of focus just responding to your post.


Since I use good ammo and keep my guns clean those things aren't going to be a problem.
What precautions can you take against the signal being jammed?


No one is forcing you to buy this gun.
You are making arguements against the gun from a position of ignorance. You know nothing about the mechanical/electrical system yet you feel qualified to point out all of your imagined problems.


If they have a way of jamming the signal from the watch

If mother fuckng if???First who the fuck is they? How will they know the frequency of your weapon? What would they use to jam it? Since the gun is only sensitiave to the rfid from a few centimeterws how would it be possible for someone to superceed that?
You do not know anything about how this weapon works yet you continue to find fault over things that have not been shown to be issues.

you can't know your up against it till it is too late, with everything else you at least have a chance to catch the problem before it is critical.


It would seem to me that discovering a broken fireing pin upon pulling the trigger might be considered by some to be "critical"

(in reply to BamaD)

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

I started out taking 18 and under and you accepted that definition. You didn't contest it at all.

Well you're right there.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Nice try at changing the focus.

No change of focus just responding to your post.


Since I use good ammo and keep my guns clean those things aren't going to be a problem.
What precautions can you take against the signal being jammed?


No one is forcing you to buy this gun.
You are making arguements against the gun from a position of ignorance. You know nothing about the mechanical/electrical system yet you feel qualified to point out all of your imagined problems.


If they have a way of jamming the signal from the watch

If mother fuckng if???First who the fuck is they? How will they know the frequency of your weapon? What would they use to jam it? Since the gun is only sensitiave to the rfid from a few centimeterws how would it be possible for someone to superceed that?
You do not know anything about how this weapon works yet you continue to find fault over things that have not been shown to be issues.

you can't know your up against it till it is too late, with everything else you at least have a chance to catch the problem before it is critical.


It would seem to me that discovering a broken fireing pin upon pulling the trigger might be considered by some to be "critical"

We were talking about the fact that the freq of a smart gun can be jammed they have all the possibilities of problems that other guns do plus. Think what a thunderstorm can do to an electronic
signal.
The possibility of something like a broken firing pin (which has happened to me once in 55 years of shooting) is why I carry a backup.

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Government ranges from a necessary evil to an intolerable one. Thomas Paine

People don't believe they can defend themselves because they have guns, they have guns because they believe they can defend themselves.

(in reply to thompsonx)

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Nice try at changing the focus.

No change of focus just responding to your post.


Since I use good ammo and keep my guns clean those things aren't going to be a problem.
What precautions can you take against the signal being jammed?


No one is forcing you to buy this gun.
You are making arguements against the gun from a position of ignorance. You know nothing about the mechanical/electrical system yet you feel qualified to point out all of your imagined problems.


If they have a way of jamming the signal from the watch

If mother fuckng if???First who the fuck is they? How will they know the frequency of your weapon? What would they use to jam it? Since the gun is only sensitiave to the rfid from a few centimeterws how would it be possible for someone to superceed that?
You do not know anything about how this weapon works yet you continue to find fault over things that have not been shown to be issues.

you can't know your up against it till it is too late, with everything else you at least have a chance to catch the problem before it is critical.


It would seem to me that discovering a broken fireing pin upon pulling the trigger might be considered by some to be "critical"

No, but that was KDsubs early suggestion, and NJ will require it as soon as they go on the market.
If you want one get one, that doesn't mean I have to like them.

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Government ranges from a necessary evil to an intolerable one. Thomas Paine

People don't believe they can defend themselves because they have guns, they have guns because they believe they can defend themselves.

(in reply to thompsonx)