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RE: right-wing douche bags stalk CEO that developed a &... - 5/6/2014 10:12:19 AM   
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We were talking about the fact that the freq of a smart gun can be jammed they have all the possibilities of problems that other guns do plus.


No that was one of your unsubstantiated fears. You know fuck all about this gun and yet you are throwing all this "what if" bullshit in. Until you have some concrete evidence why are you running your mouth?

Think what a thunderstorm can do to an electronic
signal.

What the fuck can a thunderstorm do to an eletronic signal? Not a motherfucking thing...it cant start it and it cannot stop it. Radios,telephones,radar,aircraft all work in thunderstorms.
If a lightning bolt lands close enough to interrupt the signal from the rfid wrist band it may be that you have more pressing issues than a malfucntion.


The possibility of something like a broken firing pin (which has happened to me once in 55 years of shooting) is why I carry a backup.

OmgBy your own admission you are an old fat guy with no assets yet you are so in fear that you have attack dogs to protect you and carry two guns???What the fuck are you afraid they are going to take from you.?

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RE: right-wing douche bags stalk CEO that developed a &... - 5/6/2014 1:31:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

We were talking about the fact that the freq of a smart gun can be jammed they have all the possibilities of problems that other guns do plus.


No that was one of your unsubstantiated fears. You know fuck all about this gun and yet you are throwing all this "what if" bullshit in. Until you have some concrete evidence why are you running your mouth?

Think what a thunderstorm can do to an electronic
signal.

What the fuck can a thunderstorm do to an eletronic signal? Not a motherfucking thing...it cant start it and it cannot stop it. Radios,telephones,radar,aircraft all work in thunderstorms.
If a lightning bolt lands close enough to interrupt the signal from the rfid wrist band it may be that you have more pressing issues than a malfucntion.


The possibility of something like a broken firing pin (which has happened to me once in 55 years of shooting) is why I carry a backup.

OmgBy your own admission you are an old fat guy with no assets yet you are so in fear that you have attack dogs to protect you and carry two guns???What the fuck are you afraid they are going to take from you.?


Anything that relies on electronics or electrical connection can be disabled by an EMF pulse of sufficient strength. (EMF => Elecrtomotive Force)
It is very easy to disrupt RFID circuitry with EMF. It often occurs in industrial environments with things like welding machines. A RFID reader just flat does not work within about ten feet of a welder striking an arc.

Thunderstorms commonly disrupt electronics with the EMF of lightning strikes. A strike within a few miles will cause a reset of internet routers and temporarily stop things like cable channels or internet connections. A close strike can destroy televisions, radios, and computers just from the EMF.

And EMF bomb is very easy to make and can be used to take out all electronics in a radius of the center of the pulse.

And I would be interested in seeing if the circuitry used in a smart gun is hardened enough to not be taken out by something as mundane as a cellphone jammer.

This is all basic high school level science.

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RE: right-wing douche bags stalk CEO that developed a &... - 5/6/2014 1:45:06 PM   
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Will my battery operated wrist watch has never had a problem with lightening... I am a natural at static electricity... never hurts my watch... I've inadvertently touched a ground with a screw driver in my service box installing 220 dryer...and hey hurt like hell but my watch kept on ticking... Lightning in the area is not a reason to criticize this technology.

Butch

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RE: right-wing douche bags stalk CEO that developed a &... - 5/6/2014 3:26:31 PM   
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No, but that was KDsubs early suggestion, and NJ will require it as soon as they go on the market.

When that is a law then you can snivel about it. It is not the law so what are you whining about?

If you want one get one, that doesn't mean I have to like them.
Why would you think I would want a $2000 .22 pistol?

NJ passed the law in 2004.

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RE: right-wing douche bags stalk CEO that developed a &... - 5/6/2014 3:28:21 PM   
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Do you live in NJ?...Did you ever read the conditions of the bill?... are you sure this would mandate its inception?

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RE: right-wing douche bags stalk CEO that developed a &... - 5/6/2014 3:28:51 PM   
BamaD


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: thompsonx

No, but that was KDsubs early suggestion, and NJ will require it as soon as they go on the market.

When that is a law then you can snivel about it. It is not the law so what are you whining about?

If you want one get one, that doesn't mean I have to like them.
Why would you think I would want a $2000 .22 pistol?

NJ passed the law (according to both Fox and CNN) in 2004.
The outrageous cost is one of my problems with it.

< Message edited by BamaD -- 5/6/2014 3:29:40 PM >


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RE: right-wing douche bags stalk CEO that developed a &... - 5/6/2014 3:31:43 PM   
BamaD


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Will my battery operated wrist watch has never had a problem with lightening... I am a natural at static electricity... never hurts my watch... I've inadvertently touched a ground with a screw driver in my service box installing 220 dryer...and hey hurt like hell but my watch kept on ticking... Lightning in the area is not a reason to criticize this technology.

Butch

What does it transmit?

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RE: right-wing douche bags stalk CEO that developed a &... - 5/6/2014 4:47:03 PM   
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As T said... the only electrical current that would disrupt your watch controller permanently would be a direct lightning strike between your eyes.

By the way... did you not say you were using shotguns for home protection?... If you are then why worry about the NJ law... it only covers handguns... I wonder if you commented on the law without reading it.

Oh by the way again...lol... did you know the NJ law sets requirements where the dependability of the smartguns MUST equal existing handgun reliability or the law will not go into affect?

Butch

< Message edited by kdsub -- 5/6/2014 4:50:45 PM >


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RE: right-wing douche bags stalk CEO that developed a &... - 5/6/2014 4:58:33 PM   
BamaD


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Do you live in NJ?...Did you ever read the conditions of the bill?... are you sure this would mandate its inception?

Both Fox and CNN said that the NJ law says that three years after a smart gun goes on sale anywhere
in the US all handguns in NJ will have to be "smart guns" neither specified whether already existing guns would be grandfathered.
You said you like the idea of them being mandatory, why do you have a problem with a state having such a law? Is it that thinking such a law exist would no longer be paranoid?
Or maybe you have rethought your possition.

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RE: right-wing douche bags stalk CEO that developed a &... - 5/6/2014 5:06:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD

Both Fox and CNN said .


fucking hell, job done then if those two say so

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RE: right-wing douche bags stalk CEO that developed a &... - 5/6/2014 5:09:50 PM   
imin2bdsm


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quote:

ORIGINAL: MercTech


quote:

ORIGINAL: thompsonx

We were talking about the fact that the freq of a smart gun can be jammed they have all the possibilities of problems that other guns do plus.


No that was one of your unsubstantiated fears. You know fuck all about this gun and yet you are throwing all this "what if" bullshit in. Until you have some concrete evidence why are you running your mouth?

Think what a thunderstorm can do to an electronic
signal.

What the fuck can a thunderstorm do to an eletronic signal? Not a motherfucking thing...it cant start it and it cannot stop it. Radios,telephones,radar,aircraft all work in thunderstorms.
If a lightning bolt lands close enough to interrupt the signal from the rfid wrist band it may be that you have more pressing issues than a malfucntion.


The possibility of something like a broken firing pin (which has happened to me once in 55 years of shooting) is why I carry a backup.

OmgBy your own admission you are an old fat guy with no assets yet you are so in fear that you have attack dogs to protect you and carry two guns???What the fuck are you afraid they are going to take from you.?


Anything that relies on electronics or electrical connection can be disabled by an EMF pulse of sufficient strength. (EMF => Elecrtomotive Force)
It is very easy to disrupt RFID circuitry with EMF. It often occurs in industrial environments with things like welding machines. A RFID reader just flat does not work within about ten feet of a welder striking an arc.

Thunderstorms commonly disrupt electronics with the EMF of lightning strikes. A strike within a few miles will cause a reset of internet routers and temporarily stop things like cable channels or internet connections. A close strike can destroy televisions, radios, and computers just from the EMF.

And EMF bomb is very easy to make and can be used to take out all electronics in a radius of the center of the pulse.

And I would be interested in seeing if the circuitry used in a smart gun is hardened enough to not be taken out by something as mundane as a cellphone jammer.

This is all basic high school level science.




"Electromotive force, also called emf (denoted \mathcal{E} and measured in volts), is the voltage developed by any source of electrical energy such as a battery or dynamo.

The word "force" in this case is not used to mean mechanical force, measured in newtons, but a potential, or energy per unit of charge, measured in volts."



"An electromagnetic pulse (EMP), also sometimes called a transient electromagnetic disturbance, is a short burst of electromagnetic energy. Such a pulse may occur in the form of a radiated electric or magnetic field or conducted electrical current depending on the source, and may be natural or man-made. The term "electromagnetic pulse" is commonly abbreviated to EMP, pronounced by saying the letters separately (E-M-P).

EMP interference is generally damaging to electronic equipment, and at higher energy levels a powerful EMP event such as a lightning strike can damage physical objects such as buildings and aircraft structures. The management of EMP effects is an important branch of electromagnetic compatibility (EMC) engineering."

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"Cell Phone Jamming Device

Jamming devices overpower the cell phone by transmitting a signal on the same frequency and at a high enough power that the two signals collide and cancel each other out. Cell phones are designed to add power if they experience low-level interference, so the jammer must recognize and match the power increase from the phone.

Cell phones are full-duplex devices, which means they use two separate frequencies, one for talking and one for listening simultaneously. Some jammers block only one of the frequencies used by cell phones, which has the effect of blocking both. The phone is tricked into thinking there is no service because it can receive only one of the frequencies.

Less complex devices block only one group of frequencies, while sophisticated jammers can block several types of networks at once to head off dual-mode or tri-mode phones that automatically switch among different network types to find an open signal. Some of the high-end devices block all frequencies at once, and others can be tuned to specific frequencies.

To jam a cell phone, all you need is a device that broadcasts on the correct frequencies. Although different cellular systems process signals differently, all cell-phone networks use radio signals that can be interrupted. GSM, used in digital cellular and PCS-based systems, operates in the 900-MHz and 1800-MHz bands in Europe and Asia and in the 1900-MHz (sometimes referred to as 1.9-GHz) band in the United States. Jammers can broadcast on any frequency and are effective against AMPS, CDMA, TDMA, GSM, PCS, DCS, iDEN and Nextel systems. Old-fashioned analog cell phones and today's digital devices are equally susceptible to jamming.

The actual range of the jammer depends on its power and the local environment, which may include hills or walls of a building that block the jamming signal. Low-powered jammers block calls in a range of about 30 feet (9 m). Higher-powered units create a cell-free zone as large as a football field. Units used by law enforcement can shut down service up to 1 mile (1.6 km) from the device."


< Message edited by imin2bdsm -- 5/6/2014 5:15:05 PM >

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RE: right-wing douche bags stalk CEO that developed a &... - 5/6/2014 5:13:38 PM   
deathtothepixies


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quote:

ORIGINAL: imin2bdsm


quote:

ORIGINAL: MercTech


quote:

ORIGINAL: thompsonx

We were talking about the fact that the freq of a smart gun can be jammed they have all the possibilities of problems that other guns do plus.


No that was one of your unsubstantiated fears. You know fuck all about this gun and yet you are throwing all this "what if" bullshit in. Until you have some concrete evidence why are you running your mouth?

Think what a thunderstorm can do to an electronic
signal.

What the fuck can a thunderstorm do to an eletronic signal? Not a motherfucking thing...it cant start it and it cannot stop it. Radios,telephones,radar,aircraft all work in thunderstorms.
If a lightning bolt lands close enough to interrupt the signal from the rfid wrist band it may be that you have more pressing issues than a malfucntion.


The possibility of something like a broken firing pin (which has happened to me once in 55 years of shooting) is why I carry a backup.

OmgBy your own admission you are an old fat guy with no assets yet you are so in fear that you have attack dogs to protect you and carry two guns???What the fuck are you afraid they are going to take from you.?


Anything that relies on electronics or electrical connection can be disabled by an EMF pulse of sufficient strength. (EMF => Elecrtomotive Force)
It is very easy to disrupt RFID circuitry with EMF. It often occurs in industrial environments with things like welding machines. A RFID reader just flat does not work within about ten feet of a welder striking an arc.

Thunderstorms commonly disrupt electronics with the EMF of lightning strikes. A strike within a few miles will cause a reset of internet routers and temporarily stop things like cable channels or internet connections. A close strike can destroy televisions, radios, and computers just from the EMF.

And EMF bomb is very easy to make and can be used to take out all electronics in a radius of the center of the pulse.

And I would be interested in seeing if the circuitry used in a smart gun is hardened enough to not be taken out by something as mundane as a cellphone jammer.

This is all basic high school level science.




"Electromotive force, also called emf (denoted \mathcal{E} and measured in volts), is the voltage developed by any source of electrical energy such as a battery or dynamo.

The word "force" in this case is not used to mean mechanical force, measured in newtons, but a potential, or energy per unit of charge, measured in volts."



"An electromagnetic pulse (EMP), also sometimes called a transient electromagnetic disturbance, is a short burst of electromagnetic energy. Such a pulse may occur in the form of a radiated electric or magnetic field or conducted electrical current depending on the source, and may be natural or man-made. The term "electromagnetic pulse" is commonly abbreviated to EMP, pronounced by saying the letters separately (E-M-P).

EMP interference is generally damaging to electronic equipment, and at higher energy levels a powerful EMP event such as a lightning strike can damage physical objects such as buildings and aircraft structures. The management of EMP effects is an important branch of electromagnetic compatibility (EMC) engineering."




congrats imin, we now know you are smart enough to copy and paste.......

got anything else?

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RE: right-wing douche bags stalk CEO that developed a &... - 5/6/2014 5:15:55 PM   
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Yeah, read it again

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RE: right-wing douche bags stalk CEO that developed a &... - 5/6/2014 5:19:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: imin2bdsm

Yeah, read it again


ah so you know how to edit too, kudos to you Sir

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RE: right-wing douche bags stalk CEO that developed a &... - 5/6/2014 5:30:54 PM   
BamaD


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quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub

As T said... the only electrical current that would disrupt your watch controller permanently would be a direct lightning strike between your eyes.

By the way... did you not say you were using shotguns for home protection?... If you are then why worry about the NJ law... it only covers handguns... I wonder if you commented on the law without reading it.

Oh by the way again...lol... did you know the NJ law sets requirements where the dependability of the smartguns MUST equal existing handgun reliability or the law will not go into affect?

Butch

That is not what either story said. Them going on sale may be "proof" they are dependable, particularly in the minds of people like you who hem haw all questions about reliability.
I have a concealed carry permit, it is hard to conceal a shotgun, other than the "Judge"
which still counts as a pistol.

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RE: right-wing douche bags stalk CEO that developed a &... - 5/6/2014 5:43:58 PM   
BamaD


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quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub

As T said... the only electrical current that would disrupt your watch controller permanently would be a direct lightning strike between your eyes.

By the way... did you not say you were using shotguns for home protection?... If you are then why worry about the NJ law... it only covers handguns... I wonder if you commented on the law without reading it.

Oh by the way again...lol... did you know the NJ law sets requirements where the dependability of the smartguns MUST equal existing handgun reliability or the law will not go into affect?

Butch

From CNN

The law says "personalized handguns shall be deemed to be available for retail sales purposes if at least one manufacturer has delivered at least one model of a personalized handgun to a registered or licensed wholesale or retail dealer in New Jersey or any other state."

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RE: right-wing douche bags stalk CEO that developed a &... - 5/6/2014 5:49:49 PM   
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FR from an anti gun site.

www.northjersey.com/news/nj-state-news/nj-s-2002-smart...

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RE: right-wing douche bags stalk CEO that developed a &... - 5/6/2014 6:09:35 PM   
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Both Fox and CNN said that the NJ law says that three years after a smart gun goes on sale anywhere


You are wrong... read the damn LAW ..Fox...oh yea the true scoop there.

Don't listen to Fox news... read the law... it details all your questions...otherwise don't act you you have any idea what the hell you are talking about. It is short...easy to find and read...do it.

Butch

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RE: right-wing douche bags stalk CEO that developed a &... - 5/6/2014 6:21:33 PM   
BamaD


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

quote:

Both Fox and CNN said that the NJ law says that three years after a smart gun goes on sale anywhere


You are wrong... read the damn LAW ..Fox...oh yea the true scoop there.

Don't listen to Fox news... read the law... it details all your questions...otherwise don't act you you have any idea what the hell you are talking about. It is short...easy to find and read...do it.

Butch

Yes sir I am so sorry that I did not obey right off.
Oh great wise one provide a link.

< Message edited by BamaD -- 5/6/2014 6:25:31 PM >


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RE: right-wing douche bags stalk CEO that developed a &... - 5/6/2014 6:42:19 PM   
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Yeah, read it again


It goes a bit off on a tangent but some good basic information to know.

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