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Regulation of those who would abuse the freedoms of the individual, such as large businesses. We believe in personal freedom and a general moderation of businesses to prevent abuse of their workers. That's what he government should exist to do; to protect the rights of it's people.

umm yet you are in favor of regulating my ability to be free to hire WHOMEVER I WANT for whatever dam reason I WANT

how LIBERAL OF YOU, to protect one person's freedom you RESTRICT MINE

Yes, completely. You are a person, you have every right to have any opinion whether it be positive or negative towards a given people. You are free to make those opinions. But what you are not free to do is to put those opinions into action which affect the lives of others. You cannot project your opinions onto the company and a company cannot discriminate against people for "any reason the employer wants." If you hire a white man with less knowledge on a subject than a black man with more knowledge, there is no excuse for that kind of discrimination and you are completely in the wrong.

Also there is nothing written in your constitution which gives you a right to discriminate. You have a right to free speech, but that doesn't translate into freedom to discriminate. Liberals are not restricting any of your rights, as these "rights" you speak of actually don't exist beyond your own mind. Liberals are trying to protect everyone's freedoms and to give everyone a fair and equal opportunity in the marketplace. Yours, mine, the Hobo down the street and even the top 1%ers. Are the methods to promote this equality flawless? Of course not, but it's the best thing we got at this point in time, and people like you are going to have a hell of a lot of time taking that away unless you have an even better alternative to maintain equality floating around somewhere.

Uh sorry. Completely incorrect. Someone needs a remedial high school Course in civics.


The us supreme court in Naacp vs Alabama said freedom of association is an inherent part of freedom of speech.

You are in fact guaranteed the right to discriminate against anyone you like so long as it is not for a Constitutionally protected class like race.

The us Supreme Court has carved out some exceptions for groups that serve the public but in the main you in fact are free to v fire all people named Bob if you wish. Or dimocrats.

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Suppose a programer's background check showed that they had been convicted of smoking pot...how does that affect their ability to program?

Suppose it was blindingly obvious that whether or not someone's background would be disqualifying would depend on its relevance to the job in question.

K.

That was my point. Where as the evidence seems to point to blanket rejection of excons.
If we look at a demographic overlay of those who have a record would we find a single consistant factor? Is it possible that poor people of all ethnicities are responsible for the majority of crimes of property/violence? If we look at crime in the suites vs. crime in the streets we are led to the enescpable truth that it is more prductive to steal with a mt blanc than it is with .45. Far less visible and not near as interesting for the six oclock time slot.

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Reverse discrimination describes policies or habits of social discrimination against members of a historically dominant group with an implication of unfairness. Sometimes reverse discrimination can result from affirmative action policies created to decrease discrimination in the workplace against minority employees. In many democratic societies, the dominant group is in the majority, and the disadvantaged is in the minority. It refers to any negative impact that affirmative action may have on whites, which is seen as equivalent to the illegal discrimination that has been faced by people of color and women for centuries. Reverse discrimination is sometimes considered synonymous with the term affirmative action

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Regulation of those who would abuse the freedoms of the individual, such as large businesses. We believe in personal freedom and a general moderation of businesses to prevent abuse of their workers. That's what he government should exist to do; to protect the rights of it's people.

umm yet you are in favor of regulating my ability to be free to hire WHOMEVER I WANT for whatever dam reason I WANT

how LIBERAL OF YOU, to protect one person's freedom you RESTRICT MINE

Yes, completely. You are a person, you have every right to have any opinion whether it be positive or negative towards a given people. You are free to make those opinions. But what you are not free to do is to put those opinions into action which affect the lives of others. You cannot project your opinions onto the company and a company cannot discriminate against people for "any reason the employer wants." If you hire a white man with less knowledge on a subject than a black man with more knowledge, there is no excuse for that kind of discrimination and you are completely in the wrong.

Also there is nothing written in your constitution which gives you a right to discriminate. You have a right to free speech, but that doesn't translate into freedom to discriminate. Liberals are not restricting any of your rights, as these "rights" you speak of actually don't exist beyond your own mind. Liberals are trying to protect everyone's freedoms and to give everyone a fair and equal opportunity in the marketplace. Yours, mine, the Hobo down the street and even the top 1%ers. Are the methods to promote this equality flawless? Of course not, but it's the best thing we got at this point in time, and people like you are going to have a hell of a lot of time taking that away unless you have an even better alternative to maintain equality floating around somewhere.

Uh sorry. Completely incorrect. Someone needs a remedial high school Course in civics.


The us supreme court in Naacp vs Alabama said freedom of association is an inherent part of freedom of speech.

You are in fact guaranteed the right to discriminate against anyone you like so long as it is not for a Constitutionally protected class like race.

The us Supreme Court has carved out some exceptions for groups that serve the public but in the main you in fact are free to v fire all people named Bob if you wish. Or dimocrats.

I'm not American genius, thought you would have remembered that.

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Also there is nothing written in your constitution which gives you a right to discriminate. You have a right to free speech, but that doesn't translate into freedom to discriminate.

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Affirmative Action is racially discriminatory in and of itself.

How so???

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Wait... so, there seems to be racial discrimination in hiring, so the only way to deter that, is with a program that discriminates according to race?

Acually it discriminates against bigots. That you refuse to see that is quite instructive.

That's fuckin' brilliant! Apparently, to you, two wrongs do make a right.

So you are saying it is wrong to not hire a minority and it is also wrong to require americans to obey the constitution.

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There is more racism in 3 MTV videos of "bitches and hoes" than there is in 3 months worth of white people complaining about Blacks, Latino's or any other group in any 30 city range.


Perhaps your definition of racism needs a color blind dictionary?

There is more anti white in 3 interviews with blacks than there will ever be with any whites discussing the same topic over an entire coast, because we know better. (Yes, there are stoooppit people).

Bigots hear what they want to hear.

There is more anti men in 3 sitcoms than there will be in 100 any programs that aren't women related.

Are there any anti women vidios on tv?

I was listening to an NPR program on the radio this weekend on the East coast traveling south from Albany to the city, white guy is arguing how horrid the N word is, how derisive it is....yet it's used 12 times in 2 minutes on every hip hop video.

Now would be a good time for that dictionary...There is no law against you using the word but you seem to feel deprived because you are afraid to use it. Well step right up and use it loudly and let all of your peers know your intellectual acumin.

I can't recall a time when Spike Lee or Al Sharpton stood up for stopping the "honkey" or "cracker" references.

Why should they? Those words refer to actions not to ethnicity. In your zip code are we not allowed to castigate borish behaviour?

90 some % of blacks voted for Obama.....53% of whites did.

Who's the racist? Who's the sexist?


100% of the white people who voted from 1789 until obama voted for a white person. "Who's the racists?"

There will always be assholes but, the truth is....it ain't whites that are perpetuating this shit.

When was the last time a black mob hanged a black person?

Video's.....acumen.

And, it would appear, somewhere in the 19teens: http://americans4justice.wordpress.com/2012/05/15/932/ and https://www.msu.edu/~lisacook/hist_meths_lynch_paper_final.pdf

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WOW, so your WHOLE argument is to just be an ASS and call EVERYONE a LIAR unless they PROVE EVERY SINGLE THING THEY SAY

Pointing out an ignorant unsubstantiated opinion is not calling someone a liar...Is english grammar different in your zip coede?

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Just once it would be nice if your reply was "Gee, you're right, sorry I didn't realize that. Thanks for teaching me something - other than snark.

Now you want us to lie to support your ego?[8|]

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Affirmative Action is racially discriminatory in and of itself. It's also demeaning to minorities, effectively stating that they can't get jobs on their own merits.

You are aware that there is copious evidence that people of color are discriminated against in hiring right?  Take the exact same resume and give it to both a black man and white and the white is far more likely to get a job.
http://www.chicagobooth.edu/capideas/spring03/racialbias.html
http://selfuni.wordpress.com/2013/12/29/unemployed-black-woman-pretends-to-be-white-job-offers-suddenly-skyrocket/
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/06/weekinreview/06Luo.html?_r=0

Wait... so, there seems to be racial discrimination in hiring, so the only way to deter that, is with a program that discriminates according to race?
That's fuckin' brilliant! Apparently, to you, two wrongs do make a right. [8|]

I'm telling you that it is well established that there is racial discrimination in hiring. So what should be done about it?

Certainly not institute a racist program in an attempt to right that wrong.

In the NFL, a team has to interview a black coaching candidate for head coach openings before hiring a head coach. That ends up having blacks being interviewed for no reason other than they are black. The Detroit Lions were fined $200k in 2003 for hiring Steve Mariucci without interviewing a minority candidate. The Lions were penalized because they looked for candidates and saw what they wanted in "Mooch" and decided to hire him. That they didn't interview a minority candidate simply to comply with a rule certainly could speak towards them not wanting to disrespect any minority candidate by offering a worthless interview.

Perhaps we allow business to hire who they want? I mean, yeah, it sucks that some HR person wouldn't hire someone based on skin color, but, there are plenty of other reasons a business can use to not hire who they want.

Still, racial discrimination to battle racial discrimination is still wrong.

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I'm telling you that it is well established that there is racial discrimination in hiring. So what should be done about it?

You don't fight racial discrimination by discriminating based on race. Anyone who can't get something as obvious as that through their head isn't using it.

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...we are led to the enescpable truth that it is more prductive to steal with a mt blanc than it is with .45.