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thompsonx -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/6/2014 8:22:04 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Bull shit.

Telling a tech company that they must match the population is simple suicide for the tech company.

Since that is not what the aa law does one would have to ask do you even know what the law says that you are disagreeing with?

Fewer than 10% of the country graduate with degrees in STEM. The ones that do are overwelmingly male, and disproportionately weighted to asian.

Are you going to make a point or just quote irrelivant statistics. In a tech company with 200 employees how many will hold degrees in stem? How will hold degrees in other disciplines? How many will have no degree at all? Stupid fucking opinion...stupid fucking conclusion.


Lets make it even clearer. According to your STUPID idea all NFL football teams should be 51% female. Not to mention, 20% of the players should be over 55.

When they find female and elderly players who meet all of the other criteria then they will be hired.

According to *your* STUPID idea, the NBA shouldn't be 86% black - it should be 50% white. Forget the fact that white men can't jump.

Is the nba covered by the aa?


Businesses, not perfectly but by-and-large, hire the people they think will do the job the best.

No, they will hire the people they think will do the job best for the least amount of money.

It is incredibly expensive to find, hire, train and retain people.

Really???put an ad on the net, read resume's, have some interviews???duuuhhhhh just how fucking expensive can that be?



Is there a certain amount of good old boy network - sure. But every racial group does it.


Well of course they do...we know this because it is your opinon...you ignorant,unsubstantiated,bonehead opinion.


You *really* want to lessen the amount of racism and discrimination in hiring?

End the black subculture that sends more black males to prison than college.

Perhaps if being "black in public" were no longer a crime that might happen.

End the black subculture that says dropping out of school is ok.

It seemed to work for bill gates. The fellow who started pay pal is giving people 100K to drop out of school.

End the black subculture that says dealing or doing drugs is ok.

There are no white people who think that dealing and doing drugs is ok???now that is one stupid opinion.


End the black subculture that says having kids out of wedlock is ok.

There are no white people who think having kids out of wedlock is ok???another one of your really stupid opinions.

End the democratic, liberal, and incompetent teachers unions that FAIL to educate a majority of black students to grade level by graduation.

What sort of a moron thinks that unions teach? Teachers teach, teachers unions protect teachers jobs through collective bargaining. Why do you want teachcers to be paid less than they are now?

End the incompetent, corrupt black leaders - such as jesse jackson. Al sharpton. Alcee hastings. Jefferson.

Wasn't it the incompetant jesse jackson who got our downed pilot back in the balkan war? Didn't al sharpton wear a wire for the fbi in a sting on the mafia?
Why do you feel that only black polliticians are corrupt and incomptent?


Businesses want people that are dependable. That show up. That have a work ethic. That don't steal. They want people that won't have work absences.

Why do you think all black people are undependable,thieves who dont come to work regularly?

The black community should look at the experiences of the koreans, the vietnamese, the cubans, the irish, the italians. Speaking from experience - huge numbers of vietnamese and cubans came to this country with nothing in the 70's and 80's. They didn't speak the language.
They had no assets.

That would be one of your famous ignorant unsubstantiated opinions. The cubans and the vietnamese who came came with money and and education. When they got here they recieved social security and sba loans.
The koreans who come here are subsidized by both their own country and ours.
They come with money and and education.
So how bout you compare apples with apples and keep your bigoted opinions out of civil discussion.


And yet both have passed the indigenous black community in virtually every standard. Median income. Graduation levels from college.

No...they did not pass them they started out in front of them and never looked back.

Etc. Do you really think discrimination only happens against black people? And yet, these people have been able to flourish.

See what happens when you show up with money and and education and the government gives you a helping hand to succeed.

Is there racism, discrimination, bigotry in this world. It exists and it will always exist.

Only so long as punk ass motherfuckers keep pimping the values of it.

So you can focus on it as the reason for your failure

No you want us to focus on your reasons for someones failure.

- or you can do what everyone else in the world does.

Wanna break that down for us. As in just who is successful and where?






Phydeaux -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/6/2014 8:22:30 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Ladytisha

While you do make some good points, my question for you is no one in the black community says having a child out of wedlock is ok, where did you read that story at? Why should Blacks have to look to other races to envision success? Believe it or not there are Black within the race who are very successful and those are the stories you don't hear. To those who believe racism isn't real, need to wake up. It happens everyday no matter what color you are.



Who cares what people's words are? Something like 60% of children are now born out of wedlock. So while the words may condemn it - no effective action is being taken to prevent it.




mnottertail -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/6/2014 8:34:32 AM)

Why should we as free people even contemplate the prevention of lack of adherence to a catholic church based money making scam?




Phydeaux -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/6/2014 8:35:14 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: thompsonx


quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Bull shit.

Telling a tech company that they must match the population is simple suicide for the tech company.

Since that is not what the aa law does one would have to ask do you even know what the law says that you are disagreeing with?



Usually I just ignore you as your rants are pointless.
To make this clear I am not responding to the AA law, I am responding to DomKen's assertion that hiring should match the community at large.

Hiring *should NOT* match the community at large. Hiring should match what the company needs.

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Fewer than 10% of the country graduate with degrees in STEM. The ones that do are overwelmingly male, and disproportionately weighted to asian.

Are you going to make a point or just quote irrelivant statistics. In a tech company with 200 employees how many will hold degrees in stem? How will hold degrees in other disciplines? How many will have no degree at all? Stupid fucking opinion...stupid fucking conclusion.


Lets make it even clearer. According to your STUPID idea all NFL football teams should be 51% female. Not to mention, 20% of the players should be over 55.

When they find female and elderly players who meet all of the other criteria then they will be hired.

According to *your* STUPID idea, the NBA shouldn't be 86% black - it should be 50% white. Forget the fact that white men can't jump.

Is the nba covered by the aa?


Businesses, not perfectly but by-and-large, hire the people they think will do the job the best.

No, they will hire the people they think will do the job best for the least amount of money.

It is incredibly expensive to find, hire, train and retain people.

Really???put an ad on the net, read resume's, have some interviews???duuuhhhhh just how fucking expensive can that be?



Your ignorance revealed for all to see.

quote:




Is there a certain amount of good old boy network - sure. But every racial group does it.


Well of course they do...we know this because it is your opinon...you ignorant,unsubstantiated,bonehead opinion.


Frankly, you're an idiot.

When you hire someone based on a friend's recommendation from church - you're doing it.
When you contribute to Emily's list - you're doing it.

When you work for ACORN - you're doing it.
When you are a member of LULAC - you're doing it.

The fact that you are a troll making an assertion that no other groups network in contravention of what everyone else in the room knows to be true.. speaks volumes.
And is why I routinely ignore you.

quote:







You *really* want to lessen the amount of racism and discrimination in hiring?

End the black subculture that sends more black males to prison than college.

Perhaps if being "black in public" were no longer a crime that might happen.

End the black subculture that says dropping out of school is ok.

It seemed to work for bill gates. The fellow who started pay pal is giving people 100K to drop out of school.

End the black subculture that says dealing or doing drugs is ok.

There are no white people who think that dealing and doing drugs is ok???now that is one stupid opinion.


End the black subculture that says having kids out of wedlock is ok.

There are no white people who think having kids out of wedlock is ok???another one of your really stupid opinions.

End the democratic, liberal, and incompetent teachers unions that FAIL to educate a majority of black students to grade level by graduation.

What sort of a moron thinks that unions teach? Teachers teach, teachers unions protect teachers jobs through collective bargaining. Why do you want teachcers to be paid less than they are now?

End the incompetent, corrupt black leaders - such as jesse jackson. Al sharpton. Alcee hastings. Jefferson.

Wasn't it the incometant jesse jackson who got our downed pilot back in the balkan war? Sidn't al sharpton wear a wire for the fbi in a sting on the mafia?
Why do you feel that only black polliticians are corrupt and incomptent?


Businesses want people that are dependable. That show up. That have a work ethic. That don't steal. They want people that won't have work absences.

Why do you think all black people are undependable,thieves who dont come to work regularly?

The black community should look at the experiences of the koreans, the vietnamese, the cubans, the irish, the italians. Speaking from experience - huge numbers of vietnamese and cubans came to this country with nothing in the 70's and 80's. They didn't speak the language.
They had no assets.


That would be one of your famous ignorant unsubstantiated opinions. The cubans and the vietnamese who came came with money and and education. When they got here they recieved social security and sba loans.
The koreans who come here are subsidized by both their own country and ours.
They come with money and and education.
So how bout you compare apples with apples and keep your bigoted opinions out of civil discussion.



Sorry pal. Your ignorance is showing again.

In the 1980's more than 200, 000 cuban immigrants came to the united states as Castro emptied his jails. It was the mariel boat lift - where anything that could float was used to make the trip to the United States.
They came with nothing. Some people floated on inner tubes. They came with no special skills - most had been in jail for years.

And yet.

Same with the vietnamese boat people. AFter the fall of vietname almost 200,000 boat people left vietnam in tiny boats, leaving rather than starving. Almost the same number died.
These were people, that for the most part - had been simple farmers and fishermen in a thirdworld country - and they came to this country with no real relevent skills, assets or money.

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And yet both have passed the indigenous black community in virtually every standard. Median income. Graduation levels from college.

No...they did not pass them they started out in front of them and never looked back.

Etc. Do you really think discrimination only happens against black people? And yet, these people have been able to flourish.

See what happens when you show up with money and and education and the government gives you a helping hand to succeed.

Is there racism, discrimination, bigotry in this world. It exists and it will always exist.

Only so long as punk ass motherfuckers keep pimping the values of it.

So you can focus on it as the reason for your failure

No you want us to focus on your reasons for someones failure.

- or you can do what everyone else in the world does.

Wanna break that down for us. As in just who is successful and where?






This country spends the majority of its government spending on entitlement spending. Unemployment benefits. Medicare. Medicaid. Worker Training. Social security disability.
To think that black people are not offered the same benefits as other groups is.. delusional.




mnottertail -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/6/2014 8:38:37 AM)

So many people who don't have the first clue of the meaning of entitlement, when talking about these programs.




thompsonx -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/6/2014 8:41:03 AM)

Now thats an excellent question. And believe it or not its a policy I think we could all get behind.

I alluded to some things. It is ridiculous that we allow incompetent teachers to teach.

You have failed to show us where that is true. Until you do it will remain one of your many igornant,unsubstantiated opinions.


We put the needs of the teachers unions before the needs of the students.

That would be another one of your ignorant unsubstantiated opinions.


You liberals see vouchers so that kids can go to *any* school as attacks on dimocrats.

Any validation for this moronic drivel?

I see it as an attack on failing, incompetent dimocrats

So your ignorant opinion is that the only incompetent teachers are demopubs?


But more importantly, its giving opportunity for kids to go to schools that teach. Why should any parent be forced by beauracratic bullshit to send their kids to a school they KNOW is failing.

That would be your ignorant unsubstantiated peurile opinion. Parents may send their children to the private school of their choice.

My local school was an "F" school. I rented a room in an "A" school district just to get my kids into a better school. But thats not an option for all - and it should be.

You lied to get residency in a different school district...Why does this not surprise me that you would lie to get your own way.



How about judicial courts having flexibility in drug sentencing. Step up mlitary recruitment of drug offenders.

Why do you think that drug addicts would make good soldiers?




thompsonx -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/6/2014 8:48:33 AM)


Usually I just ignore you as your rants are pointless.


No: you ignore me because you are incapable of defending your ignorance which I continually point out to you.


To make this clear I am not responding to the AA law, I am responding to DomKen's assertion that hiring should match the community at large.

That is part of the aa law which is what we are discussing

Hiring *should NOT* match the community at large. Hiring should match what the company needs.

Then change the law...because that is part of it.




thompsonx -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/6/2014 8:56:20 AM)

Frankly, you're an idiot.

Another of your ignornat unsubstantiated peurile opinions/

When you hire someone based on a friend's recommendation from church - you're doing it.
When you contribute to Emily's list - you're doing it.

When you work for ACORN - you're doing it.
When you are a member of LULAC - you're doing it.

Actually taking a recomendation for someone to have an interview is not what "good ol boy network" means

The fact that you are a troll making an assertion that no other groups network in contravention of what everyone else in the room knows to be true.. speaks volumes.

Except that is not what I said.

And is why I routinely ignore you.

You ignore me because I routinely spank your ass purple by pointing out the lies and ignorance in your posts.




vincentML -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/6/2014 8:58:11 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


quote:

ORIGINAL: vincentML

quote:

End the black subculture that sends more black males to prison than college.
End the black subculture that says dropping out of school is ok.
End the black subculture that says dealing or doing drugs is ok.
End the black subculture that says having kids out of wedlock is ok.
End the democratic, liberal, and incompetent teachers unions that FAIL to educate a majority of black students to grade level by graduation.


How?


Now thats an excellent question. And believe it or not its a policy I think we could all get behind.

I alluded to some things. It is ridiculous that we allow incompetent teachers to teach. We put the needs of the teachers unions before the needs of the students. You liberals see vouchers so that kids can go to *any* school as attacks on dimocrats.
I see it as an attack on failing, incompetent dimocrats. But more importantly, its giving opportunity for kids to go to schools that teach. Why should any parent be forced by beauracratic bullshit to send their kids to a school they KNOW is failing.
My local school was an "F" school. I rented a room in an "A" school district just to get my kids into a better school. But thats not an option for all - and it should be.

How about welfare (and AFDC) being dependent on enrollment in online schooling, with the government providing the computer and access?

How about judicial courts having flexibility in drug sentencing. Step up mlitary recruitment of drug offenders.

How about the death penalty for drug traffickers?

The advantages or success of the charter schools is a controversy.

Administrators have ample opportunity and responsibility to observe, help, or get rid of incompetent teachers. In Miami teachers can be dismissed without recourse during their first three years. Afterwards it becomes somewhat more of a project because they have earned Constitutional protections. But it is still doable if school districts provided enough administrators in the schools rather than in the central or district offices. It is time to stop blaming teachers' unions for the disastrous outcomes of Jim Crow laws and 'white flight' behavior, as you yourself admitted.

The AFDC does require schooling, training, or part time work for parents receiving assistance. How about providing day care and transportation out of the ghetto to where the jobs have gone?

The President has reduced the inequity of crack cocaine to powder cocaine sentencing laws from 500 to 0ne now 18 to one in an attempt to equalize penalty discrepancies between suburban and urban drug users.

Why would you wish the military to have more drug offenders?

The Death Penalty has never solved any social problem. It is administered inequitably and historically to innocent people.




thompsonx -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/6/2014 9:12:05 AM)

pal. Your ignorance is showing again.

In the 1980's more than 200, 000 cuban immigrants came to the united states

Once again your statements are less than accurate. The truth is that a 125k is what came ashore, don't you ever get anything right?


as Castro emptied his jails. It was the mariel boat lift - where anything that could float was used to make the trip to the United States.
They came with nothing. Some people floated on inner tubes. They came with no special skills - most had been in jail for years.


What is your point?

And yet.

And yet what ....where are they today? In jail?

Same with the vietnamese boat people. AFter the fall of vietname almost 200,000 boat people left vietnam in tiny boats, leaving rather than starving. Almost the same number died.

And with these tiny boats they crossed the pacific ocean?[8|]

These were people, that for the most part - had been simple farmers and fishermen in a thirdworld country - and they came to this country with no real relevent skills, assets or money.

What a crock of shit. The ones who came here were the rich punkassmotherfuckers who supported our invasion of that country. They came with money,education and pollitical contacts. They got social security and sba loans..so don't try to peddle that "up with their bootstraps horatio alger bullshit"




thompsonx -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/6/2014 9:15:12 AM)


This country spends the majority of its government spending on entitlement spending. Unemployment benefits.

Last time I checked unemployent was a insurance plan that workers paid into....not welfare not entitlement.


.
To think that black people are not offered the same benefits as other groups is.. delusional.

If you think blacks have it so good in this country all you have to do is read the book and be "black like me" then you can report back to us all the wonderful things amerika has to offer you.[8|]




mnottertail -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/6/2014 9:23:42 AM)

Entitlement:

1. Distribution or exercise of an absolute privilege or right to an economic benefit (such as old age pension, social security, unemployment stipend) granted by contract or law, automatically upon meeting the required qualification.
2. Claim or right defended by reference to a precedence or established procedure.
3. Government scheme benefiting members of a particular group.
4. Offer or an actual payment of cash or stock (shares) to the holder of a security.

Mirabile dictu, is it not, that most government spending is entitlement?

What else could it be?




Phydeaux -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/6/2014 9:39:24 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Entitlement:

1. Distribution or exercise of an absolute privilege or right to an economic benefit (such as old age pension, social security, unemployment stipend) granted by contract or law, automatically upon meeting the required qualification.
2. Claim or right defended by reference to a precedence or established procedure.
3. Government scheme benefiting members of a particular group.
4. Offer or an actual payment of cash or stock (shares) to the holder of a security.

Mirabile dictu, is it not, that most government spending is entitlement?

What else could it be?



Dance leprechaun:

From US News. (Hardly a conservative rag):
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2012/12/19/the-shocking-truth-on-entitlements

Spending on entitlements is the highest in American history. In 2010, entitlement spending had grown to be almost 100 times higher than it was in 1960; it has increased by an explosive 9.5 percent per year for 50 straight years. Entitlement transfer payments to individuals (such as for income, healthcare, age, and unemployment) have been growing twice as fast as per capita income for 20 years, totaling $2.2 trillion in 2010 alone—which was greater than the entire gross domestic product of Italy and roughly the same as the GDP of Great Britain.

[Check out U.S. News Weekly, an insider's guide to politics and policy.]

In 1960, entitlement spending accounted for less than a third of all federal spending; in 2010, it was just about two thirds of government outlays, with everything else—defense, justice, all the other duties of government—making up less than one third. Over the last half-century, income-related assistance (which we used to call "welfare") multiplied more than thirtyfold after adjusting for inflation. The most shocking growth has been in Medicare and Medicaid. In the early 1960s, neither program existed; by 2010, these two programs cost more than $900 billion a year.

More Americans rely on government handouts than ever before. The United States is on the brink of disaster now: Half of all American households currently receive transfer payments from the government. According to the Census Bureau, only 30 percent of American households in the 1980s relied on any public assistance.

The proportion of Americans accepting antipoverty aid has soared over the last 30 years. As of 2009, roughly 4 percent of Americans lived in public housing; 6 percent lived in households receiving means-tested cash assistance; 11 percent accepted food stamps; and almost 25 percent received Medicaid. As of 2009, Eberstadt estimates that a stunning 45 percent of all American children were receiving means-tested government aid.

[See a collection of political cartoons on the budget and deficit.]

Out-of-control entitlements are a major threat to national security. Adm. Mike Mullen, former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, famously warned that our national debt is the biggest security threat we face. What he didn't say is that government spending on entitlements not only exceeds defense spending these days, it completely overwhelms it. In 2010, America spent well over three times as much on transfer payments to individuals than it did on its entire national security budget—including on both wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. If current trends continue under President Obama, entitlement spending is set to increase by more than $700 billion over the next four years; the current national cost of all defense and security programs is roughly $700 billion as well. That means it will take only one presidential term, Eberstadt writes, for the growth of entitlement spending to absorb the entire defense budget of the United States. (Is it warm in here or is it just me?)

The explosive growth in entitlement spending, while well-intentioned and in many cases necessary, is bad for the economy and our workforce. Because many government benefits to individuals are in the form of cash, the share of government transfers as a percentage of personal income has grown over the last four decades, which means people are actually earning less of their incomes. Public assistance for retirement, income maintenance, and unemployment insurance has made it possible for a smaller percentage of adult men to be working today than at any time since the Great Depression. We can argue about which caused which, but the fact is that the growth of entitlement spending has coincided with an unprecedented decline in the number of working adult men over the last several decades. In fact, last year more Americans received a steady income from public assistance than were working in the construction, transport, and warehousing or information technology industries. In 2010, more Americans were getting disability checks from the government than were working for any U.S. manufacturer. (I'm thinking your blood pressure is going up now.)





mnottertail -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/6/2014 9:47:17 AM)

Dance you vermiformous catamite. What I said remains. So, we need to reduce healthcare costs, and slash the shit out of non-entitlements. You have proved my point eloquently in others words, has nothing to do with what sort of rag it is, or you are on.




Phydeaux -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/6/2014 9:54:57 AM)

Utterly ridiculous.

Entitlement spending is now 2/3s of the government spending - and increasing -and everything else - is 1/3, and decreasing both as a percentage and often in real terms.

Once upon a time we had an 800 ship navy. We are now well under 300.

Once we went to the moon. We no longer have launch capacity.

Obamacare was, when you boil it down, cutting $500 billion and change out of entitlement spending - and hoisting the whole cost on people that had insurance.
But the predictable result is that workers will be shunted into government healthcare. Indeed, merely during obama's adminstration 10% of people have lost private healthcare.

The net result is that entitlement spending will increase until we can't afford it anymore - which will probably be ten years. And then it will all fail spectacularly.

My personal hope is that we do better than that, and get our government spending in order, sooner.




mnottertail -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/6/2014 10:09:33 AM)

Well, people paid taxes in the old days, and we were fiscally responsible, until the mother of all nutsackers came along, St. Wrinklemeat.

We dont need that many ships in the navy, water wars are not as fightable, nor are they creaking leaking tubs of the old days,.

We certainly don't need the alternate engine for the Joint Strike Fighter platform, nor the Abrahms tank, both nutsacker borrow and spend hogtroughs and spending and spending and borrowing and borrowing.

There is no credible evidence of any 10% loss of healthcare.

And if entitlement spending is taken off the books by the government, its gotta come from somewhere. It ain't one way streets here, no matter how simpletonian and ignorant your outlook.

So, the government an't spending, then individuals are spending. Pay attention to reality.




thompsonx -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/6/2014 10:26:57 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux



Once upon a time we had an 800 ship navy. We are now well under 300.

Why do we need a battleship?
Why do we need 800 boats for the navy?


Once we went to the moon. We no longer have launch capacity.

What is your point?






Kirata -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/6/2014 11:24:38 AM)


~ FR ~

More racism....

Comments:

I think people in his district should consider voting for somebody else.
I think he should resign.
He should get out of there.
[Obama] should take a stand, and he should take it swiftly.


K.






Ladytisha -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/6/2014 11:33:54 AM)

Pull the map out of your pocket and show me where a lot of states/rural areas have access at ever corner? Last time I check men aint having kids out there dicks so the prevention works both ways don't you think?




altoonamaster -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/6/2014 11:46:48 AM)

subculture sends blacks to prison and causes them to quit school/i thought it was the easy drug money they make




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