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thompsonx -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/8/2014 9:00:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi I am still trying to figure out where this "black community" lives. This would speak directly to your intelligence.

thompsonx -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/8/2014 9:05:45 PM)
Effort provides success or failure. That's not racist. That's a fact. Says the bigot

thompsonx -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/8/2014 9:06:58 PM)
Where did I ever suggest there wasn't racism in America Saying that nobody contributes more to something implies that someone else contributes, just not as much. It would appear that you feel that blacks contribute more of that racism than whites

Kirata -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/8/2014 9:15:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi What's sad is your inability to understand english. No where did either of them claim it was blacks and blacks alone are responsible for the problems that afflict their communities. "It ain't white folks driving into our inner cities at night to paint gang signs on buildings, shoot the place up, and punch a few heads of kids who are trying to do well in school." I guess you thought I meant it wasn't just inner city blacks, but all blacks, including blacks from the suburbs driving into the inner city at night to help with painting gang signs on the buildings, shooting the place up, and punching a few heads of kids who are trying to do well it school. See if this helps. K.

thompsonx -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/8/2014 9:43:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi What's sad is your inability to understand english. No where did either of them claim it was blacks and blacks alone are responsible for the problems that afflict their communities. "It ain't white folks driving into our inner cities at night to paint gang signs on buildings, shoot the place up, and punch a few heads of kids who are trying to do well in school." I guess you thought I meant it wasn't just inner city blacks, but all blacks, including blacks from the suburbs driving into the inner city at night to help with painting gang signs on the buildings, shooting the place up, and punching a few heads of kids who are trying to do well it school. See if this helps. K. What I thought you meant was "It ain't white folks driving into our inner cities at night to paint gang signs on buildings, shoot the place up, and punch a few heads of kids who are trying to do well in school." Did I get that wrong?

Kirata -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/8/2014 9:56:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx What I thought you meant was Bend over, bozo. What you "thought" I meant, and claimed I meant, was that "blacks and blacks ALONE are responsible for the problems that afflict their communities." See here if you forget. Nice bit of quote trimming there, too. But hey, why let a little misrepresentation stand in the way? After all, it's just good family fun. K.

tweakabelle -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/9/2014 4:14:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx What I thought you meant was Bend over, bozo. What you "thought" I meant, and claimed I meant, was that "blacks and blacks ALONE are responsible for the problems that afflict their communities." See here if you forget. Nice bit of quote trimming there, too. But hey, why let a little misrepresentation stand in the way? After all, it's just good family fun. K. Actually I, not thompson x, made the claim that you asserted "blacks and blacks alone are responsible for the problems that afflict their communities." in my post #262 on page 14. Please note that my original text didn't capitalise 'alone'* so not only have you wrongly attributed the claim, you also altered it without advising the reader that you have altered the original. And, amazingly, you accuse others of "misrepresentation" ....... The post of yours that I was responding to reads in full: "Put a sock in it, tweakabelle. Nobody has demonstrated more disrespect for the welfare of the black community than other blacks themselves. It ain't white folks driving into our inner cities at night to paint gang signs on buildings, shoot the place up, and punch a few heads of kids who are trying to do well in school." (post #260) In your post, you are clearly pointing the finger of blame at "blacks" and no one else. You specifically absolve "whites" of blame. You exclude all other racial groups from blame - " *Nobody* has demonstrated more disrespect for the welfare of the black community than other blacks themselves." The only available conclusion is that you are blaming all blacks, as you declined to qualify "blacks" in any way shape or form, and no one else. This conclusion could have been easily avoided by simply qualifying "blacks" in some way eg "some blacks ...." but you declined to do so. The post, and the thinking that inspired it, are racist to their cores. All blacks are judged solely on the basis of behaviour by black gangbangers. An entire racial group is judged on the basis of alleged behaviour of its worst members. Everyone else is excluded. A parallel would be judging all whites on the basis of Ku Klux Klan behaviour. Textbook racism. If you want to post such sentiments, that's your right and your problem (and I mean problem). But please defend it on the basis of what it is - textbook classic racism, nothing more, nothing less. It's not " just good family fun", It's hate speech, and to my mind, hate and hate speech are always putrid ugly and sick. * I have bolded 'alone' so that the alteration you made is clearer

Kirata -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/9/2014 4:47:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx What I thought you meant was Bend over, bozo. What you "thought" I meant, and claimed I meant, was that "blacks and blacks ALONE are responsible for the problems that afflict their communities." See here if you forget. Nice bit of quote trimming there, too. But hey, why let a little misrepresentation stand in the way? After all, it's just good family fun. Actually I made the claim that you asserted "blacks and blacks alone are responsible for the problems that afflict their communities." in post #262 on page 14. And I responded pointing out that you can't read. Here, however, I was responding to thomsonx. Clues to this possibly obscure fact are hidden in the "in reply to" link and the link in the body of my post. Which, of course, just bears out the claim that you can't read. quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle Please note that my original text didn't capitalise 'alone' so not only have you wrongly attributed the claim, you also altered it without advising the reader that you have altered the original. And, amazingly, you accuse others of "misrepresentation" ....... I emphasized it, which hardly misrepresents it, but more to the point, I wasn't quoting you. Clues to this possibly obscure fact are hidden in the "in reply to" link and the link in the body of my post. Which, of course, just bears out the claim that you can't read. quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle The post of yours that I was responding to reads in full: "Put a sock in it, tweakabelle. Nobody has demonstrated more disrespect for the welfare of the black community than other blacks themselves. It ain't white folks driving into our inner cities at night to paint gang signs on buildings, shoot the place up, and punch a few heads of kids who are trying to do well in school." (post #260) In your post, you are clearly pointing the finger of blame at "blacks" and no one else. You specifically absolve "whites" of blame. You exclude all other racial groups from blame - " You really can't read, can you. Either that or you're hallucinating. "Nobody has demonstrated more disrespect" clearly implicates others in disrespecting the black community. And "other blacks" plainly refers not to all blacks but specifically to those who "paint gang signs on buildings, shoot the place up, and punch a few heads of kids who are trying to do well in school." quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle The post, and the thinking that inspired it, are racist to their cores. All blacks are judged on the basis of behaviour by black gangbangers. An entire racial group is judged on the basis of alleged behaviour of its worst members. Everyone else is excluded. A parallel would be judging all whites on the basis of Ku Klux Klan behaviour. Hallucinating, then. K.

Phydeaux -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/9/2014 6:19:03 AM)
http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/ascii/vfluc.txt Blacks - that comprise 11% of the population commit 46% of the murders, 35% of rapists. 40$ of felony assaults. Overall blacks comprised 55% of violent felons.

Zonie63 -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/9/2014 6:25:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: Perhaps another way to look at this might be to avoid focusing on any abstract ethnic/racial "communities" and look at it more as a problem with the "American community" But, you see, it is more convenient to talk about the 'black culture' and 'black community' as if every black person living in impoverished inner city neighborhoods share the same values. It is a tactic racists use to dehumanize the individuals who are most often the victims of crime in their area. Racists resort to categorizing the individuals and blaming them all en mass. A not so subtle form of racism in this discourse. The most prosperous criminals, those whose financial schemes defraud the working joe and retired people from their life savings do not represent the values of the suburban community anymore than the gang banger represents the values of inner city communities. We don't blame all white people for the crimes or failures or drug addition of some whites but some here have no problem spreading the blame for inner city poverty, drugs, and killings to the entire community. And this may be part of the reason why the problem doesn't get solved. Some of these views may also be fostered by the media, perhaps unintentionally as they try to call attention to the poverty and social ills of inner city America. The general tone of media is to be sensationalist and to try to evoke human emotions (while sacrificing objectivity and facts). But intentionally trying to elicit an emotional response from their audiences may be counterproductive, since they can't be certain which emotion they're going to get. Do you think the media might be trying to stir the pot a bit?

MrBukani -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/9/2014 7:42:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phydeaux http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/ascii/vfluc.txt Blacks - that comprise 11% of the population commit 46% of the murders, 35% of rapists. 40$ of felony assaults. Overall blacks comprised 55% of violent felons. Poverty creates criminals.

thompsonx -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/9/2014 8:03:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phydeaux http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/ascii/vfluc.txt Blacks - that comprise 11% of the population commit 46% of the murders, 35% of rapists. 40$ of felony assaults. Overall blacks comprised 55% of violent felons. Morons seldom have trouble finding statistics to justify their putird pulcratude. If one were to overlay a demographic of poor on this then your stats begin to make some sense...just not the sense you had hoped for.

thompsonx -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/9/2014 8:11:20 AM)
ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx What I thought you meant was "It ain't white folks driving into our inner cities at night to paint gang signs on buildings, shoot the place up, and punch a few heads of kids who are trying to do well in school." Did I get that wrong? Bend over, bozo. Bozo???? I copy an paste your opinions and you feel I am the bozo. If I am a bozo for posting it, it would seem to follow that the original poster is also a bozo. What you "thought" I meant, and claimed I meant, was that "blacks and blacks ALONE are responsible for the problems that afflict their communities." Yup, that is what you said. See here if you forget. Nice bit of quote trimming there, too. But hey, why let a little misrepresentation stand in the way? After all, it's just good family fun. You are the only one posting that this bigoted swill is good family fun.

Kirata -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/9/2014 8:50:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx You are the only one posting that this bigoted swill is good family fun. Bigoted swill my ass. You just can't fucking read English. Nobody has demonstrated more disrespect for the welfare of the black community than other blacks themselves. It ain't white folks driving into our inner cities at night to paint gang signs on buildings, shoot the place up, and punch a few heads of kids who are trying to do well in school. "Nobody has demonstrated more disrespect" clearly implicates others in disrespecting the black community. And "other blacks" plainly refers not to all blacks but specifically to those who "paint gang signs on buildings, shoot the place up, and punch a few heads of kids who are trying to do well in school." Now be a good fellow and stop making a fool of yourself. K.

joether -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/9/2014 9:58:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx What I thought you meant was Bend over, bozo. What you "thought" I meant, and claimed I meant, was that "blacks and blacks ALONE are responsible for the problems that afflict their communities." See here if you forget. Nice bit of quote trimming there, too. But hey, why let a little misrepresentation stand in the way? After all, it's just good family fun. So if there are black people in my community and something happens, I can blame the black people. Even if they had nothing to do with it. And your trying to convince us that your NOT a bigot how.......?

Kirata -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/9/2014 10:00:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether So if there are black people in my community and something happens, I can blame the black people. Even if they had nothing to do with it. And your trying to convince us that your NOT a bigot how.......? No, I'm trying to convince you that you can't fucking read... and not for the first time. But apparently you can't think either. K.

Phydeaux -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/9/2014 10:09:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrBukani quote: ORIGINAL: Phydeaux http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/ascii/vfluc.txt Blacks - that comprise 11% of the population commit 46% of the murders, 35% of rapists. 40$ of felony assaults. Overall blacks comprised 55% of violent felons. Poverty creates criminals. Counterintuitively, no it doesn't. http://blogs.jccc.edu/campusledger/2012/05/08/poverty-on-trial-does-poverty-cause-crime/ If poverty caused crime, you would expect to see poor countries having higher rates of crime than rich ones. That analysis doesn't hold.

mnottertail -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/9/2014 10:36:23 AM)
yeah, counterintuitively, it does. where everyone is poor, there is nothing in the way of property crimes, and no money to murder for, cuz there is none. I will let you think on that, but I don't see it bearing fruit.

vincentML -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/9/2014 10:45:12 AM)
quote: If you are talking about the comments by Kirata concerning problems in the black communities and indirectly calling him racist.. I think you are wrong. I don't know what is in his heart when it comes to African Americans but what he said does represent the problems in the predominately black communities in my immediate area. I wasn't pointing to any individual, Butch. I was merely trying to point out that racism pervades our language. One poster asserted that the black community or the black culture needs to rid itself of drug dealers. Well, there are drug dealers in suburban communities. There are children who drop out of school in suburban communities. There are ineffective teachers in suburban communities. Do these reflect negative characteristics of the white culture that need to be remedied? They do, but in this tread these failures are assigned to black culture only. There is abundant crime and drug use in all communities. So, why are these particular characteristics assigned only to blacks? Because our language is racist, perhaps. It takes fucking gall for someone to come on here and claim that black-American culture has different values and aspirations than white-American culture. How the fuck do they know? It is bollocks to assert there is a difference in cultures. Do black parents have less love and concern for their children than white parents? I think not. Assigning negative traits to a group is a handy way to place thoughtless blame for their travails on black people. It is nonsense to imply that a person of color has no educational goals or work ambitions. Like that asshole cattleman Clyde Whoever who claimed that blacks just sit on their front porches and collect welfare checks. It's the old stereotype that blacks are shiftless and ignorant. quote: How to change this... will it will take the community itself first!!! They need to take control of their children.. inform the police of crime... cooperate with police in solving crime...This is the first and most important step that no one but the community itself can do...If they don't then they will continue to be just as much at fault as the past racism that brought them to their situation in the first place. I don't believe a community can lift itself up by its own bootstraps out of poverty, drug abuse, and ignorance. Intervention is required. Look at the history of the problem. The second great migration of blacks fleeing Jim Crow laws took place in the 1940s and 1950s. They came north and to California because that's where the industrial (war) factories were. In the 60s and 70s there was a housing boom as white families migrated to the suburbs to get away from integrated schools. When white workers left the cities industrial plants followed. The result was a city with a crushed tax base. The school plants suffered badly. Education had been city-centered in the 40s and 50s. CCNY was a much desired college, for example. Meanwhile, blacks were red-lined. Banks gave mortgages for inner cities only. That is my understanding of how the current situation developed. If I were a state governor with a compatible legislature my first goal would be to spend the money to over compensate for the lack of reading skills in the city schools and I would seek out public-private partnerships to bring jobs back to the city for the citizens of the city. For the most part the lack of rudimentary education and job opportunities stifle kids who know they are ill-prepared and cannot afford to attend college. There is no incentive for the community to pick itself up. That's how I see it.

Kirata -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/9/2014 10:50:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML It takes fucking gall for someone to come on here and claim that black-American culture has different values and aspirations than white-American culture. Nobody is talking about all blacks. That there exists a violent and dysfunctional sub-culture within our inner-cities is painfully in evidence, even to many blacks themselves. quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML I don't believe a community can lift itself up by its own bootstraps out of poverty, drug abuse, and ignorance. Intervention is required. The determinants of violent crime are economic and cultural. But the world is full of dirt poor people who aren't running around killing each other. It is the culture that determines how a population will respond to its economic travail. K.

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