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LookieNoNookie -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/7/2014 7:49:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle This is truly sick stuff... Racist to its core. Put a sock in it, tweakabelle. Nobody has demonstrated more disrespect for the welfare of the black community than other blacks themselves. It ain't white folks driving into our inner cities at night to paint gang signs on buildings, shoot the place up, and punch a few heads of kids who are trying to do well in school. K. What he said.

tweakabelle -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/7/2014 7:49:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle This is truly sick stuff... Racist to its core. Put a sock in it, tweakabelle. Nobody has demonstrated more disrespect for the welfare of the black community than other blacks themselves. It ain't white folks driving into our inner cities at night to paint gang signs on buildings, shoot the place up, and punch a few heads of kids who are trying to do well in school. K. Is it sad or tragic to see a succession of white middle aged guys lining up to insist that blacks and blacks alone are responsible for the problems that afflict their communities? That racism by whites doesn't even deserve a mention? You guys sound like any one of looney Right shock jocks here. If places were swapped, and you guys were the blacks, you would be screaming to the high heavens about the mistreatment, abuse and racism that is the everyday experience of many black people in both our countries. You wouldn't put up with it for a minute. Not for a single minute. Not would I. Nor would almost all white Australians or Americans. So stop trying to sound moral and righteous about the way you feel. Until you guys are prepared to admit that racism by whites is a significant factor in the issues that blacks face, you are aligning yourselves with the very racists who crimes you omit or gloss over as insignificant in your analysis. And if you guys are comfortable in such company, then that speaks for itself doesn't it?

LookieNoNookie -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/7/2014 8:03:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle This is truly sick stuff... Racist to its core. Put a sock in it, tweakabelle. Nobody has demonstrated more disrespect for the welfare of the black community than other blacks themselves. It ain't white folks driving into our inner cities at night to paint gang signs on buildings, shoot the place up, and punch a few heads of kids who are trying to do well in school. K. Is it sad or tragic to see a succession of white middle aged guys lining up to insist that blacks are responsible for the problems that afflict their communities? That racism by whites doesn't even deserve a mention? You guys sound like any one of looney Right shock jocks here. If places were swapped, and you guys were the blacks, you would be screaming to the high heavens about the mistreatment, abuse and racism that is the everyday experience of many black people in both our countries. You wouldn't put up with it for a minute. Not for a single minute. Not would I. Nor would almost all white Australians or Americans. So stop trying to sound moral and righteous about the way you feel. Until you guys are prepared to admit that racism by whites is a significant factor in the issues that blacks face, you are aligning yourselves with the very racists who crimes you omit or gloss over as insignificant in your analysis. And if you guys are comfortable with that alignment, then that speaks for itself doesn't it? Fascinating. What I'm reading in nearly every one of these comments is; "ANY community of people (blacks/whites/Asians/Jews/Norwegians/Russians), down (specifically) to the individual level, are solely responsible in this life for ALL of their successes and failures. When people continue (of any race) to walk past explosive materials/barrels of gas and they are literally INUNDATED with "FLAMMABLE MATERIALS" signs "DO NOT SMOKE HERE OR USE ANY MATCHES OR LIGHTERS" and they do exactly that, walk right past all these barrels twirling lit 4th of July sparklers and they explode...... Stop blaming the folks who manufactured the matches. (At least, that's what I'm reading). If there's a group of people (blacks/whites/Asians/Jews/Norwegians/Russians) who are continually frustrated at why every time they get up in the morning, statistically, they're going to be walking past a bunch of signs saying "FLAMMABLE MATERIALS" signs "DO NOT SMOKE HERE OR USE ANY MATCHES OR LIGHTERS" and they statistically end up lighting themselves on fire because they're (statistically) twirling lit 4th of July sparklers past these very explosive barrels of flammable materials.... ....they don't need to pose the question (EVER) "Should I not walk past explosive materials twirling lit 4th of July sparklers past barrels of clearly marked explosive and ignitable fuels because white people, Asians or others don't and it seems to be a far more effective way to get from point A to point B?" No....because the comparisons are absurd. They should quit walking past explosive and incendiary devices twirling lit 4th of July sparklers because a) it's incredibly stupid, b) it's entirely unproductive and c) it will dramatically decrease their income producing future. Race has NOTHING to do with this issue, nor does racism. Reaching for something other than assured failure by definition of having seen their peers end up exactly where they don't choose to be is the discussion. You have turned it into a discussion of race. And that is exactly how to keep anyone who hasn't achieved their best, right where you seem to think others want them. That's a fundamental definition of just plain fucking crazy.

altoonamaster -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/7/2014 8:03:41 AM)
racism by whites cause all the problems in the black community? i dont see some middle aged white man forcing young black kids to join gangs,sell drugs etc/this is passed down from their own people/why should a blk person get a job when they make more in a day selling drugs than most white people/i get so tired being blamed for their problems

thishereboi -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/7/2014 8:48:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle This is truly sick stuff... Racist to its core. Put a sock in it, tweakabelle. Nobody has demonstrated more disrespect for the welfare of the black community than other blacks themselves. It ain't white folks driving into our inner cities at night to paint gang signs on buildings, shoot the place up, and punch a few heads of kids who are trying to do well in school. K. Is it sad or tragic to see a succession of white middle aged guys lining up to insist that blacks and blacks alone are responsible for the problems that afflict their communities? That racism by whites doesn't even deserve a mention? You guys sound like any one of looney Right shock jocks here. If places were swapped, and you guys were the blacks, you would be screaming to the high heavens about the mistreatment, abuse and racism that is the everyday experience of many black people in both our countries. You wouldn't put up with it for a minute. Not for a single minute. Not would I. Nor would almost all white Australians or Americans. So stop trying to sound moral and righteous about the way you feel. Until you guys are prepared to admit that racism by whites is a significant factor in the issues that blacks face, you are aligning yourselves with the very racists who crimes you omit or gloss over as insignificant in your analysis. And if you guys are comfortable in such company, then that speaks for itself doesn't it? What's sad is your inability to understand english. No where did either of them claim it was blacks and blacks alone are responsible for the problems that afflict their communities. But I am sure you know how the people who live here think much better than the people who actually live here.

crazyml -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/7/2014 9:17:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: altoonamaster racism by whites cause all the problems in the black community? i dont see some middle aged white man forcing young black kids to join gangs,sell drugs etc/ I wonder if it's really as simple as this though. The following middle aged white men could certainly be seen to be pushing young black men into a culture of drugs and violence; The middle aged white man who crosses the street through fear of young black men helps to alienate them The middle aged white man who doesn't employ a young black man out of prejudice. The middle aged white man who expects young black men to be gang bangers. I am pretty sure that poverty, poor life opportunities and a sense of being "outside" society all make some contribution to gang membership as well. quote: this is passed down from their own people/why should a blk person get a job when they make more in a day selling drugs than most white people/i get so tired being blamed for their problems I'm so glad that I put your mind at rest about the earnings of your typical drug dealer.... most drug dealers make barely enough to pay their rent. Out of curiosity, can you see how a person might conclude that your comments were just a teensy bit racist?

tweakabelle -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/7/2014 9:47:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle This is truly sick stuff... Racist to its core. Put a sock in it, tweakabelle. Nobody has demonstrated more disrespect for the welfare of the black community than other blacks themselves. It ain't white folks driving into our inner cities at night to paint gang signs on buildings, shoot the place up, and punch a few heads of kids who are trying to do well in school. K. Is it sad or tragic to see a succession of white middle aged guys lining up to insist that blacks and blacks alone are responsible for the problems that afflict their communities? That racism by whites doesn't even deserve a mention? You guys sound like any one of looney Right shock jocks here. If places were swapped, and you guys were the blacks, you would be screaming to the high heavens about the mistreatment, abuse and racism that is the everyday experience of many black people in both our countries. You wouldn't put up with it for a minute. Not for a single minute. Not would I. Nor would almost all white Australians or Americans. So stop trying to sound moral and righteous about the way you feel. Until you guys are prepared to admit that racism by whites is a significant factor in the issues that blacks face, you are aligning yourselves with the very racists who crimes you omit or gloss over as insignificant in your analysis. And if you guys are comfortable in such company, then that speaks for itself doesn't it? What's sad is your inability to understand english. No where did either of them claim it was blacks and blacks alone are responsible for the problems that afflict their communities. But I am sure you know how the people who live here think much better than the people who actually live here. At least I can understand my own posts. Which is more than can be said about you ...... Even after you posted Kirata's contribution in your post : "Nobody has demonstrated more disrespect for the welfare of the black community than other blacks themselves. It ain't white folks driving into our inner cities at night to paint gang signs on buildings, shoot the place up, and punch a few heads of kids who are trying to do well in school. " You claim that he isn't blaming blacks and blacks alone. Well who else did he blame? He specifically eliminated all people from blame except blacks. And someone who doesn't even understand their own posts has the gall to accuse others of not understanding English. Even by the abysmally low, moronic standards of your posts, this is a new low. A retarded anemone could do better.[8\|]

kdsub -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/7/2014 12:31:24 PM)
quote: You claim that he isn't blaming blacks and blacks alone. Telling the truth is blaming no one... just telling the truth. Rather than wag the blame stick however it would be better for all to work together to solve the problems. Picking sides and assigning blame does nothing but inflame resentments. Today many of the problems in the African American community are of their own making. Things need to change and it should start there and then move where needed. Butch

thishereboi -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/7/2014 12:41:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle This is truly sick stuff... Racist to its core. Put a sock in it, tweakabelle. Nobody has demonstrated more disrespect for the welfare of the black community than other blacks themselves. It ain't white folks driving into our inner cities at night to paint gang signs on buildings, shoot the place up, and punch a few heads of kids who are trying to do well in school. K. Is it sad or tragic to see a succession of white middle aged guys lining up to insist that blacks and blacks alone are responsible for the problems that afflict their communities? That racism by whites doesn't even deserve a mention? You guys sound like any one of looney Right shock jocks here. If places were swapped, and you guys were the blacks, you would be screaming to the high heavens about the mistreatment, abuse and racism that is the everyday experience of many black people in both our countries. You wouldn't put up with it for a minute. Not for a single minute. Not would I. Nor would almost all white Australians or Americans. So stop trying to sound moral and righteous about the way you feel. Until you guys are prepared to admit that racism by whites is a significant factor in the issues that blacks face, you are aligning yourselves with the very racists who crimes you omit or gloss over as insignificant in your analysis. And if you guys are comfortable in such company, then that speaks for itself doesn't it? What's sad is your inability to understand english. No where did either of them claim it was blacks and blacks alone are responsible for the problems that afflict their communities. But I am sure you know how the people who live here think much better than the people who actually live here. At least I can understand my own posts. Which is more than can be said about you ...... Even after you posted Kirata's contribution in your post : "Nobody has demonstrated more disrespect for the welfare of the black community than other blacks themselves. It ain't white folks driving into our inner cities at night to paint gang signs on buildings, shoot the place up, and punch a few heads of kids who are trying to do well in school. " You claim that he isn't blaming blacks and blacks alone. Well who else did he blame? He specifically eliminated all people from blame except blacks. And someone who doesn't even understand their own posts has the gall to accuse others of not understanding English. Even by the abysmally low, moronic standards of your posts, this is a new low. A retarded anemone could do better.[8\|] Saying that nobody contributes more to something implies that someone else contributes, just not as much.

DomKen -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/7/2014 2:43:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen How about we transplant your brain into a black man's body and see how long it takes for your opinion to change? That's the dumbest argument I think I've ever read from you, Ken. Discriminating to right previous discrimination is still discrimination. If you truly want there to be no more discrimination, you can't institute more discriminatory policies or programs, or support ones currently in action. How is treating minorities better than treating whites judging a person by the "content of their character" and not the color of their skin? How about instituting policies that prevent discrimination, which is what affirmative action programs really do? As long as we continue to allow your mind set to prevail the subtle and pervasive racism I documented will prevail and this country will fail to live up to its founding principles. You are welcome to put forth a better alternative but simply saying do nothing is not one. How does increasing discrimination reduce discrimination? How does ignoring discrimination fix anything? Telling a company, government entity or college that their hiring or admissions should more or less match the population makeup simply says they must not discriminate. I already showed you that with the exact same resume the white person is more likely to get hired than the black. It is only the rationalization of the white man that they are being passed over for less qualified candidates due to AA when a minority does get a job. Said by the person who told us some months back that he couldn't get a job doing certain software gigs ("there aren't any jobs for someone like me") because he was discriminated against, yet I'd just hired someone to do exactly what he does/did......interesting. Yeah...Dom (koff) Ken is believable. You're a fucking liar. I dare you to post a quote where I wrote any such thing liar.

DomKen -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/7/2014 2:47:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle This is truly sick stuff... Racist to its core. Put a sock in it, tweakabelle. Nobody has demonstrated more disrespect for the welfare of the black community than other blacks themselves. It ain't white folks driving into our inner cities at night to paint gang signs on buildings, shoot the place up, and punch a few heads of kids who are trying to do well in school. Want to bet? I grew up in Atlanta in the 80's. Maybe you should research that before making such sweeping claims.

DomKen -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/7/2014 2:52:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: altoonamaster racism by whites cause all the problems in the black community? i dont see some middle aged white man forcing young black kids to join gangs,sell drugs etc/this is passed down from their own people/why should a blk person get a job when they make more in a day selling drugs than most white people/i get so tired being blamed for their problems The middle aged white men who: makes sure their schools have less resources makes sure they can't get decent jobs makes sure they go to prison for things that white kids don't even get arrested for makes sure they live in substandard housing makes sure they don't have access to grocery stores Those middle aged white men certainly do cause the problems in the black community. I see it every day.

Politesub53 -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/7/2014 5:27:59 PM)
Tweaks and Ken have nailed it, the usual suspects havent.

Phydeaux -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/7/2014 5:40:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: altoonamaster racism by whites cause all the problems in the black community? i dont see some middle aged white man forcing young black kids to join gangs,sell drugs etc/this is passed down from their own people/why should a blk person get a job when they make more in a day selling drugs than most white people/i get so tired being blamed for their problems The middle aged white men who: makes sure their schools have less resources makes sure they can't get decent jobs makes sure they go to prison for things that white kids don't even get arrested for makes sure they live in substandard housing makes sure they don't have access to grocery stores Those middle aged white men certainly do cause the problems in the black community. I see it every day. Yeah. We're victims. Its All DA MAN's fault. Wah!

Kirata -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/7/2014 6:39:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata Nobody has demonstrated *more* disrespect for the welfare of the black community than other blacks themselves. It ain't white folks driving into our inner cities at night to paint gang signs on buildings, shoot the place up, and punch a few heads of kids who are trying to do well in school. white middle aged guys lining up to insist that blacks and blacks *alone* are responsible You really can't read, can you. quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle If places were swapped, and you guys were the blacks, you would be screaming to the high heavens about the mistreatment, abuse and racism that is the everyday experience of many black people in both our countries. Probably so. But what we wouldn't be doing is killing each other with such insane abandon that we rack up half the entire national homicide rate. K.

LookieNoNookie -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/7/2014 7:25:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: altoonamaster racism by whites cause all the problems in the black community? i dont see some middle aged white man forcing young black kids to join gangs,sell drugs etc/this is passed down from their own people/why should a blk person get a job when they make more in a day selling drugs than most white people/i get so tired being blamed for their problems The middle aged white men who: makes sure their schools have less resources makes sure they can't get decent jobs makes sure they go to prison for things that white kids don't even get arrested for makes sure they live in substandard housing makes sure they don't have access to grocery stores Those middle aged white men certainly do cause the problems in the black community. I see it every day. Rich white people are destroying the education system (by moving out of school districts that suck): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_Os5Zk1_LA (as explained by a racist black labor leader in Chicago, whose Mayor....the guy who is closing these schools that suck....is black).

cloudboy -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/7/2014 7:30:02 PM)
It would help if all those WHITE POSTERS watched the PBS series: EYES ON THE PRIZE. ----- An unarmed man seeking help after a car crash over the weekend was shot 10 times by the Charlotte police officer who's now charged in his death, investigators said Monday. A police news release said Officer Randall Kerrick fired 12 times at 24-year-old Jonathan A. Ferrell early Saturday while responding to a breaking and entering call. Ten of the bullets hit the former Florida A&M University football player. Kerrick was charged with voluntary manslaughter and is scheduled for a first court appearance on Tuesday. Family members said at a news conference that Jonathan A Ferrell, 24, had lived in the Charlotte area for less than a year and was likely unfamiliar with the area he was driving when he crashed early Saturday. Police were called after the former Florida A&M University football player knocked on the door of a home near the crash. He was hit with a Taser as he approached officers and then shot, resulting in a voluntary manslaughter charge against one of the officers. A first appearance was scheduled for the officer on Tuesday after being postponed by a day. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/16/charlotte-north-carolina-car-crash-victim-shot ------ NO RACISM THERE FOR THESE GUYS. Got to say I cracked up when DaddySatyr backed Donald Sterling.

DomKen -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/7/2014 8:10:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: altoonamaster racism by whites cause all the problems in the black community? i dont see some middle aged white man forcing young black kids to join gangs,sell drugs etc/this is passed down from their own people/why should a blk person get a job when they make more in a day selling drugs than most white people/i get so tired being blamed for their problems The middle aged white men who: makes sure their schools have less resources makes sure they can't get decent jobs makes sure they go to prison for things that white kids don't even get arrested for makes sure they live in substandard housing makes sure they don't have access to grocery stores Those middle aged white men certainly do cause the problems in the black community. I see it every day. Rich white people are destroying the education system (by moving out of school districts that suck): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_Os5Zk1_LA (as explained by a racist black labor leader in Chicago, whose Mayor....the guy who is closing these schools that suck....is black). Rahm Emanuel, the mayor of Chicago, is not black. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahm_Emanuel The Chicago Public Schools actually has many great schools. The problem is that the school administration has for a very long time sent resources to the schools where middle and upper class white kids go and left the rest to rot. Now they've redefined those schools as magnets and charters to get around various court cases but the effects are the same. The poor kids of color get terrible schools with bad facilities and the rich kids get great schools.

LookieNoNookie -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/7/2014 8:18:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: altoonamaster racism by whites cause all the problems in the black community? i dont see some middle aged white man forcing young black kids to join gangs,sell drugs etc/this is passed down from their own people/why should a blk person get a job when they make more in a day selling drugs than most white people/i get so tired being blamed for their problems The middle aged white men who: makes sure their schools have less resources makes sure they can't get decent jobs makes sure they go to prison for things that white kids don't even get arrested for makes sure they live in substandard housing makes sure they don't have access to grocery stores Those middle aged white men certainly do cause the problems in the black community. I see it every day. Rich white people are destroying the education system (by moving out of school districts that suck): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_Os5Zk1_LA (as explained by a racist black labor leader in Chicago, whose Mayor....the guy who is closing these schools that suck....is black). Rahm Emanuel, the mayor of Chicago, is not black. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahm_Emanuel That's true.....sorry, got that screwed up with the Chief Executive of the Chicago Public School System.

LookieNoNookie -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/7/2014 8:51:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrBukani Since the enemy wants to control your body and mind, the enemy will steal your terms, words, women, thoughts and culture and make it their own. (I remember when I had my first beer too).

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