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The harder you work the further you will go in most any type of work and it is moronic bullshit to say otherwise... only losers do.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

Pretty much all I ever heard from 11 years old on.

And now, as you have told us many times, you are a successful businessman who pays his employees twice the going rate. Please tell us how have you acquired what you have when so many others have failed?

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

I would guess my yard stick will most likely be longer than yours... but I could be wrong. I've employed many men and women over the years. I graded, promoted, or fired them based on there work ethic. The best employees are not always the smartest... or with the degree...but the ones that work hard and go the extra mile for the company. They get ahead in my company and I think I am no different than most employers in America.

The harder you work the further you will go in most any type of work and it is moronic bullshit to say otherwise... only losers do.

Butch

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

I would guess my yard stick will most likely be longer than yours... but I could be wrong.

Nothing unusual there


I've employed many men and women over the years. I graded, promoted, or fired them based on there work ethic. The best employees are not always the smartest... or with the degree...but the ones that work hard and go the extra mile for the company. They get ahead in my company and I think I am no different than most employers in America.

What is your point? They did not wind up owning your company or any other company? they had a fucking job.

The harder you work the further you will go in most any type of work and it is moronic bullshit to say otherwise... only losers do.

Obviously all the "loosers" (losers...one "o") you hired did not progress to ownership

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

I live in the urban core. I don't just talk about the problem I live it.

I don't think so. Unless I'm mistaken and you're black, that's pure conceit. Everywhere you go, in everything you do, you're still a white man. You don't live it.

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Because I've failed so many times.

Ahhh the bankruptsy laws...how clever...not at all unlike the "donald"

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The harder you work the further you will go in most any type of work and it is moronic bullshit to say otherwise... only losers do.

If all else were to be considered equal. But it never is, of course. Servants can only ever aspire to be butlers; never masters. (That only happens in Downton Abbey.) Servants don't even *think* about becoming masters because it's not their world, or so they believe. Likewise, masters never think about dropping so low as to become servants, because that's not their world, either.

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One Los Angeles-based company, dubbed appropriately enough The Help Company, has seen demand for butlers ala "Downton Abbey" - clients refer to the show often - skyrocket in recent months. Another San Francisco-based outfit, Town and Country Resources, has seen demand for housekeepers grow so fast it will soon offer in-house training in the timeless skills of ironing among other (in this case somewhat glorified) domestic chores.

"In many ways, this represents a return to relative normality," writes British journalist Harry Mount, describing how modern day London has witnessed a partial return to its servant-heavy past. "The 20th-century culture of housewives doing everything for themselves - armed with an avalanche of labour-saving devices - was a brief blip in history when servants went out of fashion."

One notable feature of today's rising servant class: the earnings aren't too shabby. Or at least they don't have to be assuming one is working in certain mega-wealthy regions like the Northeast (namely New York City).

"A good housekeeper earns $60,000 to $90,000 a year. A lady's maid can make $75,000 a year. A butler may start at $80,000 a year and can earn as much as $200,000."

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"A good housekeeper earns $60,000 to $90,000 a year. A lady's maid can make $75,000 a year. A butler may start at $80,000 a year and can earn as much as $200,000."

That doesn't seem too bad. Compared to the average salaries of many other occupations, it seems that a lot of people would have to work their way up to the level of servant.

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The harder you work the further you will go in most any type of work and it is moronic bullshit to say otherwise... only losers do.

If all else were to be considered equal. But it never is, of course.

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

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The harder you work the further you will go in most any type of work and it is moronic bullshit to say otherwise... only losers do.

If all else were to be considered equal. But it never is, of course.

Precisely. A brief glance at some of the other factors (and costs) will show us how facile the claim that hard work alone guarnatees 'success' really is.

The claim that hard work alone will create 'success' for an individual overlooks so many other factors and variables that contribute to 'success' it's almost laughable. Education levels for one. It's not impossible for some one to overcome a poor education to 'get ahead', but it's so much easier for someone with a good education.

The only measure of success and failure is dollars and cents. The costs involved to an individual are never mentioned but can include health problems, relationship difficulties and broken marriages to list some of the more common ones.

Despite all this, hard work alone is no guarantee of success. How many of us know an family member who has worked hard all their life but has ended up with pretty much the same as everyone else, or even less ...?

Viewed in this light the claim that hard work guarantees 'success' is false and simplistic. In the context of this thread it is a convenient method of ensuring that the many real and insidious effects of racism and hate are omitted from the discussion and preventing a light being shone on these negative evil forces.

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The harder you work the further you will go in most any type of work and it is moronic bullshit to say otherwise... only losers do.

If all else were to be considered equal. But it never is, of course.

Precisely. A brief glance at some of the other factors (and costs) will show us how facile the claim that hard work alone guarnatees 'success' really is.

The claim that hard work alone will create 'success' for an individual overlooks so many other factors and variables that contribute to 'success' it's almost laughable. Education levels for one. It's not impossible for some one to overcome a poor education to 'get ahead', but it's so much easier for someone with a good education.

The only measure of success and failure is dollars and cents. The costs involved to an individual are never mentioned but can include health problems, relationship difficulties and broken marriages to list some of the more common ones.

Despite all this, hard work alone is no guarantee of success. How many of us know an family member who has worked hard all their life but has ended up with pretty much the same as everyone else, or even less ...?

Viewed in this light the claim that hard work guarantees 'success' is false and simplistic. In the context of this thread it is a convenient method of ensuring that the many real and insidious effects of racism and hate are omitted from the discussion and preventing a light being shone on these negative evil forces.

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The harder you work the further you will go in most any type of work and it is moronic bullshit to say otherwise... only losers do.

If all else were to be considered equal. But it never is, of course.

Precisely. A brief glance at some of the other factors (and costs) will show us how facile the claim that hard work alone guarnatees 'success' really is.

The claim that hard work alone will create 'success' for an individual overlooks so many other factors and variables that contribute to 'success' it's almost laughable. Education levels for one. It's not impossible for some one to overcome a poor education to 'get ahead', but it's so much easier for someone with a good education.

The only measure of success and failure is dollars and cents. The costs involved to an individual are never mentioned but can include health problems, relationship difficulties and broken marriages to list some of the more common ones.

Despite all this, hard work alone is no guarantee of success. How many of us know an family member who has worked hard all their life but has ended up with pretty much the same as everyone else, or even less ...?

Viewed in this light the claim that hard work guarantees 'success' is false and simplistic. In the context of this thread it is a convenient method of ensuring that the many real and insidious effects of racism and hate are omitted from the discussion and preventing a light being shone on these negative evil forces.

Seems to me that if you value your marriage, and it's a happy one via your and your partners efforts, that's success (or failure). I'd find it difficult to put a price on that.

If your kids are happy, have chosen vocations that they enjoy, I'd find that difficult to equate to a financial amount.

I don't see why success and or failure need to be monetary.

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It's amazing how much time people can spend arguing how or why something isn't possible, while others simply get it done.

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Indeed, one would likely argue that there's nothing really to fix in our society, and that whatever problems people might have are strictly their own fault.

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Seems to me that if you value your marriage, and it's a happy one via your and your partners efforts, that's success (or failure). I'd find it difficult to put a price on that.
If your kids are happy, have chosen vocations that they enjoy, I'd find that difficult to equate to a financial amount.

I don't see why success and or failure need to be monetary.

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It's amazing how much time people can spend arguing how or why something isn't possible, while others simply get it done.

I don't think it's really like that. For one thing, your arguments about "hard work" and "success" may seem compelling, but I don't see how they're even relevant to the topic, which seems to be about racism and inequality in society and possible solutions to the problem.

Part of the problem is that most of your position is based mainly on propaganda, the idea that America is the "land of opportunity" and a "beacon of hope." Your argument is totally dependent upon belief in these and other notions and slogans which have become part of the media/political propaganda machine. Those who have a vested interest in the status quo would be expected to oppose any changes or reforms in the system and would therefore argue vociferously for not changing it. Indeed, one would likely argue that there's nothing really to fix in our society, and that whatever problems people might have are strictly their own fault. Whether or not it's true that people's problems are their own making, it doesn't really solve anything to simply say it and leave it at that.