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LookieNoNookie -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/13/2014 9:29:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: Seems to me that if you value your marriage, and it's a happy one via your and your partners efforts, that's success (or failure). I'd find it difficult to put a price on that. If your kids are happy, have chosen vocations that they enjoy, I'd find that difficult to equate to a financial amount. I don't see why success and or failure need to be monetary. I'm glad we agree that there are multiple ways of achieving 'success' in life. In which case, arguing that there is only a single concept simplistic method of achieving 'success' is obviously inadequate. So no more of this hard work is the only way to 'success' nonsense please. There are both institutional and social racisms that create barriers to blacks and their communities achieving anything like their maximum potential. For as long as these barriers target blacks, there will be disadvantage, poverty and crime afflicting black communities in both our countries. Removing these barriers is necessary before blacks can enjoy the same living standards, health standards and social prestige as other citizens. Removing those barriers is everyone's responsibility and in everyone's interest. It would appear that we do not agree. This was your quote....not mine: "The only measure of success and failure is dollars and cents. " I've never said hard work is the only way to success. Effort, however, is. Barriers have been being removed for blacks since Lyndon Johnson signed the equal opportunity and affirmative action laws. The feds were told all the way through the 80's "it's not enough". In the 2000's, both Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton came out publicly and made vibrantly clear that these grants and unequal access (meaning, allowing those who hadn't earned it a free pass to whatever because the races weren't "balanced" in society and business) was another way "for the white man to keep the black man down". Women are purportedly "blocked" from some opportunities, yet there are 10's of thousands of female millionaires (the greater percentage of them NOT because of marriage). A woman with 20 bucks in her pocket and an idea, created a billion dollar company called Spanx, by simply doing nothing more than cutting off the bottom 1/3rd of a pair of panty hose and women across the globe ate it up. She's not even 40 today. Don't remember the name but another woman did it with chocolate cookies (so did a black man). Some white guy decided to make sandwiches....in his garage...they were amazingly awesome sandwiches. He put a piece of plywood and some sawhorses in his garage, mixed up his secret sauce, made a few hundred sandwiches and went around to every business in his area and handed out 2 inch sections of his sandwiches. Jimmy Johns sandwich shops are the fastest growing fast food business in America. There's a BILLION barricades to success. Successful people don't worry about climbing over them (or for that matter, worrying about all the whiny ;little babies that see such a tall barricade and demand that it's removed or worse, exclaim until the sun sets to everyone within ear shot that it's tooooo hiiiigh!!!!!"). Successful people shake their collective heads at these people....and simply find the end of the barricade, and walk around it. There will always be a million readily available reasons why you can't. When you quit spending inordinate effort proving that to yourselves....you'll discover exactly how you can.

thompsonx -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/13/2014 9:36:26 AM)
The original argument was about racism, ThompsonX immediately responded with (Post#2): "Perhaps if racists stoped being racist then the libs couldn't play the race card". Sort of a basic concept dontcha thimk? It devolved from there into older white males being racists (only), then it devolved further into blacks not being successful (singularly) as a group, then into "if you stopped killing your children/leaving your women pregnant with no fathers" etc. etc. It finally evolved into (but for a few disjointed posters) a discussion about success, devolving back into a discussion that white males can't understand the history of blacks, therefore their struggle to succeed. Almost all of my posts have been entirely misquoted or misconstrued, nearly all of which come down to: If you want something....shoot for it. You've got a better chance of hitting it than if you never try. If you dont have a gun,bullets or sights it is pretty hard to hit any thing except air That, unfortunately, isn't adequate apparently to assuage those who simply desire to stay right where they are. It isn't adequate because it fails to address the issue. (Which works just fine for me....it provides employees). The ones you claim to pay over scale[8\|] As to those who might benefit from the status quo, I, as a lifelong Republican was thrilled about Obamacare (still am in concept, but it needs work), I think the wealthy should pay significantly more, but I also think everyone should pay something Why do those who have nothing(comparative term) have to pay anything? (federal income tax....I know, I get it....everyone already pays something....just not federal income tax), I think ALL income should be taxed identically, no special deals for unearned (stocks/real estate) income versus earned income (labor/wages). As to the USA being a beacon of opportunity, my God....of course it is Problem is that the beacon is on the other side of a barb wire fence ....and there are billionaires in China too (many of whom did so without any state or governmental influence or advantage). Really???which one? Where you came from is your good or bad fortune in life, but it is where you begin, by default. Where you end up is entirely up to you. That sorta ignores about a million years of history and basic logic. No one else. Except those more powerful than yourself.

LookieNoNookie -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/13/2014 10:02:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx The original argument was about racism, ThompsonX immediately responded with (Post#2): "Perhaps if racists stoped being racist then the libs couldn't play the race card". Sort of a basic concept dontcha thimk? No, I don't thimk It devolved from there into older white males being racists (only), then it devolved further into blacks not being successful (singularly) as a group, then into "if you stopped killing your children/leaving your women pregnant with no fathers" etc. etc. It finally evolved into (but for a few disjointed posters) a discussion about success, devolving back into a discussion that white males can't understand the history of blacks, therefore their struggle to succeed. Almost all of my posts have been entirely misquoted or misconstrued, nearly all of which come down to: If you want something....shoot for it. You've got a better chance of hitting it than if you never try. If you dont have a gun,bullets or sights it is pretty hard to hit any thing except air Get knowledge. It's the best munition available (and Andrew Carnegie ensured it was available to everyone). That, unfortunately, isn't adequate apparently to assuage those who simply desire to stay right where they are. It isn't adequate because it fails to address the issue. (Which works just fine for me....it provides employees). The ones you claim to pay over scale[8\|] That would presume we were union, which we are not. What I have said in the past is, my non union employees are paid in excess of what the unions require. I have also said that women in my firm doing the same job as a man, will generally earn MORE than the man because women tend to be far more organized, consistent and their follow through is better on average. As to those who might benefit from the status quo, I, as a lifelong Republican was thrilled about Obamacare (still am in concept, but it needs work), I think the wealthy should pay significantly more, but I also think everyone should pay something Why do those who have nothing(comparative term) have to pay anything? Because everyone benefits from the largesse. (federal income tax....I know, I get it....everyone already pays something....just not federal income tax), I think ALL income should be taxed identically, no special deals for unearned (stocks/real estate) income versus earned income (labor/wages). As to the USA being a beacon of opportunity, my God....of course it is Problem is that the beacon is on the other side of a barb wire fence Cut the barbed wire. Walk around the fence. Find the answer. It won't seek you out. It does however, exist. ....and there are billionaires in China too (many of whom did so without any state or governmental influence or advantage). Really???which one? Jack Ma for one (Alibaba), and there are multiple hundreds of others. Where you came from is your good or bad fortune in life, but it is where you begin, by default. Where you end up is entirely up to you. That sorta ignores about a million years of history and basic logic. I would submit, the evidence is vibrantly clear, it proves it. But, anyone that wishes to stay where they are, are more than welcome to follow your proven logic ThompsonX No one else. Except those more powerful than yourself. Huh? Do you eat an entire bowlful of stupid every morning?

thompsonx -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/13/2014 10:38:40 AM)
No, I don't thimk That is obvious

Tomyx -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/13/2014 10:56:46 AM)
Modern liberalism creates racism. It's the form of censorship that they can justify to exert control while being totally uncensored themselves. And from the examples I see, it's usually in its strongest form from people who are completely out of control with little to no practical merit. It's not about helping those in need, it's about banding together with other like minded individuals to demand something from the whole that they in no way contribute to in the first place.

thompsonx -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/13/2014 11:02:41 AM)
Where you came from is your good or bad fortune in life, but it is where you begin, by default. Where you end up is entirely up to you. That sorta ignores about a million years of history and basic logic. I would submit, the evidence is vibrantly clear, it proves it. Then what the fuck are you on about?

thompsonx -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/13/2014 11:03:59 AM)
Problem is that the beacon is on the other side of a barb wire fence Cut the barbed wire. Walk around the fence. Find the answer. It won't seek you out. It does however, exist. Let me see???the beacon is the hope of a better life. The barb wire fence would be the legal and civil restrictions on access to that beacon. Your solution is to break the law or subvert the law. And yet you decry the lawlessness of those who would follow your solution.

thompsonx -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/13/2014 11:09:54 AM)
If you want something....shoot for it. You've got a better chance of hitting it than if you never try. If you dont have a gun,bullets or sights it is pretty hard to hit any thing except air Get knowledge. It's the best munition available (and Andrew Carnegie ensured it was available to everyone). Interesting, how when the falacy of your analogy is exposed you simply move to a different analogy[8\|]

thompsonx -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/13/2014 11:20:30 AM)
In the 2000's, both Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton came out publicly and made vibrantly clear that these grants and unequal access (meaning, allowing those who hadn't earned it a free pass to whatever because the races weren't "balanced" in society and business) was another way "for the white man to keep the black man down". Would you have a link to this seeming incongruity?

thompsonx -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/13/2014 11:24:07 AM)
The ones you claim to pay over scale That would presume we were union, I have made no presumption. which we are not. What I have said in the past is, my non union employees are paid in excess of what the unions require. Which sorta puts the validity of your need for a labor pool in question. Since you pay so well, no one would want to leave your employ. I have also said that women in my firm doing the same job as a man, will generally earn MORE than the man because women tend to be far more organized, consistent and their follow through is better on average. Soooo many employees you surely are a busy man.

thompsonx -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/13/2014 11:31:37 AM)
....and there are billionaires in China too (many of whom did so without any state or governmental influence or advantage). Really???which one? Jack Ma for one (Alibaba), Is this the same jack ma who was educated at state expense through university? Is this the same jack ma who from 1998 to 1999, headed an information technology company established by the China International Electronic Commerce Center, a department of Ministry of Foreign Trade and Economic Cooperation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Ma and there are multiple hundreds of others. Just like jack ma...educated at state expense and employed by the state who used state provided steping stones to follow your "beacon"

LookieNoNookie -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/13/2014 11:34:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx Problem is that the beacon is on the other side of a barb wire fence Cut the barbed wire. Walk around the fence. Find the answer. It won't seek you out. It does however, exist. Let me see???the beacon is the hope of a better life. The barb wire fence would be the legal and civil restrictions on access to that beacon. Your solution is to break the law or subvert the law. And yet you decry the lawlessness of those who would follow your solution. That might be your solution (I seem to recall my comment about having failed enough in life, alluding to...."that's how you discover what doesn't work and you don't do that again", your immediate conjecture was to state that I used bankruptcy to attain my wealth.....equally as presumptuous and clearly, avoiding the real issue...effort. Failure is a fabulous thing, especially in business. It's an unforgiving teacher, but a firm and stringent one that only deals in fairness). I however would not recommend breaking the law, but if that's the only way to success you can envision when barricades pop up, then I'd imagine that's why you've achieved your particular lot in life. I haven't decried anyone's lawlessness (ever) for following my solution because I never assumed anyone would break the law to become successful. You have however, interestingly enough, mentioned it on more than several occasions. You don't seem to much care for solutions Thompson. All your posts are nearly in their entirety, intended to debase someone else....even if you have to dig deep to find the antithesis of what they originally stated, dragging skulls and crossbones out, where none existed before. You're a fascinating guy Thompson. Not likely more than a 7-11 clerk, but fascinating nonetheless.

thompsonx -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/13/2014 11:38:40 AM)
ORIGINAL: Tomyx Modern liberalism creates racism. So by this idiotic opinion it would be impossible for racism to have existed before modern liberalism[8\|] It's the form of censorship that they can justify to exert control while being totally uncensored themselves. Pointing out someone's bigotry is hardly censorship. And from the examples I see, it's usually in its strongest form from people who are completely out of control with little to no practical merit. That sounds a lot like earl butz It's not about helping those in need, it's about banding together with other like minded individuals to demand something from the whole that they in no way contribute to in the first place. They fight your wars of agression. They supply jobs for your cops. They supply you with minimum wage labor. They give you a reason to hate.

LookieNoNookie -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/13/2014 11:38:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ....and there are billionaires in China too (many of whom did so without any state or governmental influence or advantage). Really???which one? Jack Ma for one (Alibaba), Is this the same jack ma who was educated at state expense through university? Is this the same jack ma who from 1998 to 1999, headed an information technology company established by the China International Electronic Commerce Center, a department of Ministry of Foreign Trade and Economic Cooperation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Ma and there are multiple hundreds of others. Just like jack ma...educated at state expense and employed by the state who used state provided steping stones to follow your "beacon" It would seem to me that those who use American federally funded ("state expense") road systems, who ever got a subsidized lunch at school, read a book from a library, whoever got a loan backed by the FHA for their home (insured and guaranteed by the feds), buys milk (subsidized by the feds).....etc. would fit the same description so, Yes Thompson...."that" Jack Ma. Gawd you're tiresome.

thompsonx -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/13/2014 11:45:31 AM)
ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie It would seem to me that those who use American federally funded ("state expense") road systems, Arent those funded with user fees? who ever got a subsidized lunch at school, read a book from a library, whoever got a loan backed by the FHA for their home (insured and guaranteed by the feds), buys milk (subsidized by the feds).....etc. would fit the same description so, Yes Thompson...."that" Jack Ma. My point was that jack ma was not and is not some horatio alger "up by the boot straps" success. He is a product of his society seeking to improve the lot of all of it's people.

LookieNoNookie -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/13/2014 11:47:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: Tomyx Modern liberalism creates racism. So by this idiotic opinion it would be impossible for racism to have existed before modern liberalism[8\|] It's the form of censorship that they can justify to exert control while being totally uncensored themselves. Pointing out someone's bigotry is hardly censorship. And from the examples I see, it's usually in its strongest form from people who are completely out of control with little to no practical merit. That sounds a lot like earl butz It's not about helping those in need, it's about banding together with other like minded individuals to demand something from the whole that they in no way contribute to in the first place. They fight your wars of agression. They supply jobs for your cops. They supply you with minimum wage labor. They give you a reason to hate. Once again, you've just proven my point. Here's a guy who made some very simple, calm posits on the subject we're all discussing, and you have to go all batshit on the guy. If I had just taken 32 hits of the best hallucinogen ever manufactured, and the chemicals were just now taking over my thought processes, I can't even fathom responses such as yours to his post. They make about as much sense as someone coming up and saying "Hello" and your response is "Tuesday". (Which, actually, now that I recall a variety of your posts, for you, does actually make sense). Special request to the Mods (I know you're busy....when you have time, thank you). I would like to make a personal request that someone goes and reviews ThompsonX's posts for any 2 week period (literally pick one 14 day period in his entire history here...it will be adequate to achieve the goal) and see if you don't agree with me that, his only purpose here is to antagonize, raise the ire of anyone he seems to be in even minor disagreement with (there are even occasions where he goes batshit on people who he just days before....agreed with)....never bringing solutions or offering a better way or help. His only purpose is to be an antagonist. It's more than clear, being rabid gives the guy a woody. I would personally request that he is put on permanent "waiting for approval". Anyone that wants to join me in this effort to achieve a more peaceful (rational) discussion outlet, feel free to tag on to this post, or send your own, privately, requesting similar action.

LookieNoNookie -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/13/2014 11:49:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie It would seem to me that those who use American federally funded ("state expense") road systems, Arent those funded with user fees? They're called "taxes" The Chinese populace pays them just like we do. who ever got a subsidized lunch at school, read a book from a library, whoever got a loan backed by the FHA for their home (insured and guaranteed by the feds), buys milk (subsidized by the feds).....etc. would fit the same description so, Yes Thompson...."that" Jack Ma. My point was that jack ma was not and is not some horatio alger "up by the boot straps" success. He is a product of his society seeking to improve the lot of all of it's people. As are we all.

thompsonx -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/13/2014 12:08:52 PM)
That might be your solution (I seem to recall my comment about having failed enough in life, alluding to...."that's how you discover what doesn't work and you don't do that again", your immediate conjecture was to state that I used bankruptcy to attain my wealth I think I was pretty clear about how the donald got his wealth...the rest is just your projection. .....equally as presumptuous Perhaps if you spent as much time on comprehension as you do on spelling you might not have made such a "presumptious" assumption. and clearly, avoiding the real issue...effort. Effort without access is useless. Failure is a fabulous thing, especially in business. For loooooozers It's an unforgiving teacher, but a firm and stringent one that only deals in fairness). Many feel that attaining knowledge first before investing time and money is a prudent course. I however would not recommend breaking the law, That is exactly what you did. but if that's the only way to success you can envision Wrongo dude it was your solution not mine. when barricades pop up, then I'd imagine that's why you've achieved your particular lot in life. As if you had a clue as to my particular lot in life[8\|] I haven't decried anyone's lawlessness (ever) for following my solution because I never assumed anyone would break the law to become successful. And yet we have your printed word encouraging us to subvert and avoid the legal obsticals to our success. You have however, interestingly enough, mentioned it on more than several occasions. How can I not notice your constant exhortations to avoid and evade the legal sanctions in ones quest for your "beacon" You don't seem to much care for solutions Thompson. I am not all that unhappy with aa (which is a solution). You on on the other hand advocate for the removal of that solution with no solution but what did not work before. All your posts are nearly in their entirety, intended to debase someone else. Pointing out your ignorance is elevating not debasing You're a fascinating guy Thompson. That and two bux will get you a cup of coffee most anyplace.

thompsonx -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/13/2014 12:14:40 PM)
ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie My point was that jack ma was not and is not some horatio alger "up by the boot straps" success. He is a product of his society seeking to improve the lot of all of it's people. As are we all. No: we are not, which is the point of this discussion. There are many in the u.s. who do not have the same access that jack ma had.

thompsonx -> RE: Liberal delusions on racism (5/13/2014 12:30:08 PM)
Once again, you've just proven my point. Here's a guy who made some very simple, calm posits on the subject we're all discussing, and you have to go all batshit on the guy. Cry me a fucking river If I had just taken 32 hits of the best hallucinogen ever manufactured, And just what do you think is the "best"? Special request to the Mods (I know you're busy....when you have time, thank you). Who the fuck do you think invited me back?Or had you forgotten I had been in the penality box for a couple of months? I would like to make a personal request that someone goes and reviews ThompsonX's posts for any 2 week period (literally pick one 14 day period in his entire history here...it will be adequate to achieve the goal) and see if you don't agree with me that, his only purpose here is to antagonize, raise the ire of anyone he seems to be in even minor disagreement with As opposed to being a bobble head for bigots[;)] (there are even occasions where he goes batshit on people who he just days before....agreed with) Perhaps a little validation for this moronic insipid opinion? ....never bringing solutions or offering a better way or help. I point out your abject ignorance...how is that not helping? His only purpose is to be an antagonist. I rather enjoy antagonizing bigots[:)] It's more than clear, being rabid gives the guy a woody. Hawt babes in leather knickers give me a woody I would personally request that he is put on permanent "waiting for approval". That would allow you to post ignorant bullshit with one less voice of disaproval. Anyone that wants to join me in this effort to achieve a more peaceful (rational) discussion outlet, feel free to tag on to this post, or send your own, privately, requesting similar action. I understand that there is an opening for someone to lead a lynch mob...are you volunteering?[8\|] If you can't support your position with facts and logic then I suppose the next best way to get your way is to silence your opposition.[8\|]

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