RottenJohnny
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In general, the idea is that this can help predict the job market and determine the quality of the education system within the state. On the surface, it sounds like a worthy goal but after about 2 seconds of consideration, I found some potential issues that made me cringe at the thought of it.
It isn't just the fact that I'd automatically have no faith in the security of such information but that they want to "adjust the education system to deliver workers to meet the needs [of employers]".
Why would there be any security to the system. All of that data is currently available. Back in1960 when ucsd was being planned the university went to the business community in san diego and asked them what they wanted and how much they were willing to pony up to get it. Thus the first college built at ucsd was a math and science college. Why wouldn't anyone want to be able to plan for future needs?
It isn't planning for future needs that I find disquieting. It's the method.
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To me, this sounds like a plan that will lead to kids being forced down paths of education that don't interest them and actually limit the range of things they'll be able to experience through their schools.
Why would you assume that? All of the core knowledge that is taught in school is basic to all endeavors.
But if the curriculum for a given school district is based more on the local job market then I can see how it's possible that kids could lose out on discovering something else they may excel at.
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Using myself as an example...
When I was in high school, I was a typical auto shop nutjob kind of a kid. I wanted to spend my life doing everything possible with automobiles because I discovered I had a knack for it. However, I also had a knack for playing music, electronics, and programming computers.
It didn't take me long to figure out that making a living as an auto mechanic wasn't going to be very rewarding
Journeyman level mechanics in a dealer garage will make more than 100k a year...if that is the kind of rewarding you meant.
Not in the 80's. And certainly not in the area I'm living in.
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...so I turned my attention back to electronics. I started my first business (car stereos, alarms, etc.) and started down the path of entrepreneurship.
After several years of that, I discovered that I still wasn't making the kind of money I really wanted. So once again, I changed my path and moved into industrial automation, where I've been ever since.
So, while you initially sought one carrear path (auto mechanics) you eventually chose a parallel one (ia).
I'm not sure I see the point of your comment, tx. I wouldn't consider what I do now as a parallel to being a mechanic.
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Now, if I had been in a school system running under something like the INK system, how much different could things have turned out for me? If the school was only teaching things like auto shop because that's what the current job market wanted, would I have ever found my love of music or my ability to manipulate a computer brain?
ucsd had a sience and math college and it also had music,literature,physical sciences,etc. I just am not seeing how you are getting "there" from "here"
My concern is more in regard to K-12 students than college level and for a narrowing of curriculum based on the immediate needs of business that leads to some students not finding a career path that best suits them.
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What happens if (or more likely "when") businesses get ahold of this data?
That is the idea, business working with the educational system to produce the skills we need to maintain a competitive position in the economic arena.
I think you're missing my point. My concern here is different than above...businesses potentially gaining access to personal information they shouldn't otherwise have.
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Suppose I've had a job where I've made $30,000 a year and I decide to apply for a job that pays $60,000? When I go to the interview, how am I supposed to be able to negotiate my pay based on my experience if an employer can look over all my past jobs and see that I've never made that much money before? Would I stand any chance of actually getting all of that $60,000 even if I'm qualified for the job? Given my experiences with interviews and hiring, my guess is probably not.
My guess is that if you work for wages then you will get the prevailing wage. If you are salaried that is always a negotian...
Well, I operate under the assumption that most people aren't looking to have a career based on prevailing wage. And if an employer has access to my wage history then it's akin to "showing my hand" and it weakens my position in a salary negotiation.
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And at the most extreme ends of pondering, could this turn into a situation where people are "assigned" a job based on what they excelled at in school?
Isn't that what we do now?
No. People choose what jobs they want to apply for.
It very well may be that all this information is already out there and as someone has already suggested, maybe I'm just being naive. But I can't help but think that this kind of data collection could eventually lead down another road to Hell paved with good intentions.
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