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Lynnxz -> RE: Why is being into "big girls" still considered a fetish? (5/13/2014 9:57:57 AM)
quote: That doesn't make any sense to me since the whole idea of staying at a healthy weight is to eat below your metabolic rate. So the further away from your metabolic rate you can eat, the healthier you will be. Infact, in our country, it's greatly encouraged that we only eat 70% of our metabolic rate to as a health directive. I don't see an increased of metabolism the equivalent of an increased in appetite, that is what I'm trying to say. I know runners who run alot who experience decrease and complete loss of appetite. They are thin because of that, but the higher their metabolic rate went up, the less they eat. Long distance runners usually have an excellent cardio system. A heart in excellent shape in a body in excellent shape, does not need to beat as fast as a feeble enlarged heart struggling to pump blood through the clogged arteries of an unhealthy person. Muscle cells adapt to increased pressure, building more mitochondria, and becoming more efficient. A runner, on a resting day, will require fewer calories than an obese, unfit person simply because the unfit person's body is struggling to exist. Your "Basal metabolic rate" is usually a number roughly calculated with formulas, to determine the minimum number of calories that your body needs to function. It does not include exercise. If you were to eat 70% of that estimation! you would lose weight.

Greta75 -> RE: Why is being into "big girls" still considered a fetish? (5/13/2014 10:02:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lynnxz Your "Basal metabolic rate" is usually a number roughly calculated with formulas, to determine the minimum number of calories that your body needs to function. It does not include exercise. If you were to eat 70% of that estimation! you would lose weight. I see aging like inflation or "deflation", concepts the same, as you grow older, your metabolic rate keeps dropping. So by keeping it at 70% to hedge against the "deflating" metabolism. It would even out and keep you at your normal weight. Also I think the "needs to function part" is not true. It is calculated that most people just need a min of 1200 calories a day to function. I see metabolic rate simply as the maximum quota you are allowed to eat if you do not want to get heavier.

OriginalRebel -> RE: Why is being into "big girls" still considered a fetish? (5/13/2014 11:20:26 AM)
From the more recent research I have done, I’ve reached the conclusion that low-fat diets are a huge culprit in the contribution to America and the UK obesity pandemic. Think about when obesity took off in America and then think about when they started producing low fat products. Then research it and it all makes sense. Its not about the quantity of calories you eat but the quality of the calories you eat and therefore, calories in, calories out just doesn’t work. 100 calories of doughnut is not the same thing as 100 calories of protein and fiber. If calories in versus calories out were correct, people would lose the same amount of weight, regardless of what sort of calories they consumed. we know that isn’t so. Not all calories are created equal and some calories are more easily stored as fat than others. We also know that people who eat a high amount of sugars, specifically fructose, are hungrier sooner than those on low sugar diets. Drink a can of coke and your going to be thirsty again in no time at all. Drink water and you thirst is quenched. It’s the same with exercise. We would have to do a huge amount of exercise to lose those empty calories and so it’s nonsense. Exercising works as an appetite suppressant, exercise promotes muscle mass and exercise keeps the heart healthy but it does not achieve weight loss.

OriginalRebel -> RE: Why is being into "big girls" still considered a fetish? (5/13/2014 11:28:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SailingBum I've seen more stupid bull shit posted in this thread than I've seen in a long time. Thin ppl are not as healthy as fat ppl. Can you quote who said that? quote: Italian ppl are somehow magically thinner. Can you quote who said that? No, thought not... case closed.

SailingBum -> RE: Why is being into "big girls" still considered a fetish? (5/13/2014 12:27:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OriginalRebel quote: ORIGINAL: AthenaSurrenders Thin women, and women who aren't very curvy are women too. I don't know if it's some sort of backlash against the negative vibes given to overweight women, but criticizing or making fun of women for being thin is just as mean-spirited. Not every thin woman is starving herself for someone else's beauty ideal, just like not every fat woman is greedy or lazy. Thank you Athena. Italian women, at least the majority of Italian women living in Italy, are exceptionally thin but they are small in height and appear smaller boned than Americans and some of their European cousins. Italian men like shapely but slim not rounded and Italians (in Italy) are brought up with the saying instilled into them, "if you never gain weight, there will never be a need to lose it." As for a fetish on weight? yes, we have 'feeders' and giant face sitters but men who like a well rounded girl or a skinny chic don't have a fetish, they just like a certain type. To say anyone who likes a certain type has a fetish clearly shows they don't understand the meaning behind the word. Uhh you were saying...... BadOne

OriginalRebel -> RE: Why is being into "big girls" still considered a fetish? (5/13/2014 2:26:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OriginalRebel Italian women, at least the majority of Italian women living in Italy, are exceptionally thin but they are small in height and appear smaller boned than Americans and some of their European cousins. Italian men like shapely but slim not rounded and Italians (in Italy) are brought up with the saying instilled into them, "if you never gain weight, there will never be a need to lose it." So you read that ^ as "Italian ppl are somehow magically thinner."? So you took a snippet, not the paragraph, homed in on that and made it sound like its something its not. quote: As for a fetish on weight? yes, we have 'feeders' and giant face sitters but men who like a well rounded girl or a skinny chic don't have a fetish, they just like a certain type. To say anyone who likes a certain type has a fetish clearly shows they don't understand the meaning behind the word. What has this got to do with with your statement? apparently, somewhere in that paragraph it says "Thin ppl are not as healthy as fat ppl."??? Clearly you don't know how to have a debate because you got all huffy when someone disagreed with you. Its not productive to conversation, its unpleasant, its mean spirited and its childish.

Lynnxz -> RE: Why is being into "big girls" still considered a fetish? (5/13/2014 3:37:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OriginalRebel From the more recent research I have done, I’ve reached the conclusion that low-fat diets are a huge culprit in the contribution to America and the UK obesity pandemic. Think about when obesity took off in America and then think about when they started producing low fat products. Then research it and it all makes sense. Its not about the quantity of calories you eat but the quality of the calories you eat and therefore, calories in, calories out just doesn’t work. 100 calories of doughnut is not the same thing as 100 calories of protein and fiber. If calories in versus calories out were correct, people would lose the same amount of weight, regardless of what sort of calories they consumed. we know that isn’t so. Not all calories are created equal and some calories are more easily stored as fat than others. We also know that people who eat a high amount of sugars, specifically fructose, are hungrier sooner than those on low sugar diets. Drink a can of coke and your going to be thirsty again in no time at all. Drink water and you thirst is quenched. It’s the same with exercise. We would have to do a huge amount of exercise to lose those empty calories and so it’s nonsense. Exercising works as an appetite suppressant, exercise promotes muscle mass and exercise keeps the heart healthy but it does not achieve weight loss. A calorie is a measurement. That is like saying a pound of rocks is heavier than a pound of feathers. quote: Also I think the "needs to function part" is not true. It is calculated that most people just need a min of 1200 calories a day to function. I see metabolic rate simply as the maximum quota you are allowed to eat if you do not want to get heavier. Did you read what I wrote or...?

NiceButMeanGirl -> RE: Why is being into "big girls" still considered a fetish? (5/13/2014 8:44:04 PM)
Okay, being fat is unhealthy and carries all sorts of health risks, I agree. Among them are hypertension, high cholesterol, back & joint issues, sleep apnea & sleep disorders, gastroesophageal reflux disease(GERD), heart attack & heart disease, stroke, type 2 diabietes, and a lot more....Complications of Obesity However, anorexia and/or extreme underweight also carries health risks. For instance, anorexia can cause electrolyte disorders, heart attacks, eating away of the tooth enamel from stomach acids, osteoporosis, hormone imbalances/disorders, cardiac complications, seizures and the list goes on....Complications of Anorexia So neither one is healthy. I know I'm fat. I didn't start out that way, no. My entire youth, it was either "You're too skinny! Eat something!" or "You're too fat, you pig!." No matter what, no one was happy with my weight. I'm 56 and have dieted for most of my life since the age of 15, that's over forty fcking years* of dieting. I exercise at the gym 3 to 5 times in any given week, and walk daily. I watch what I eat. I still ended up being overweight. Part of it is my low thyroid which was caused by some of the meds I used to take & it's not reversible. Part of it is genetics, and the rest is I don't know what. What I do know is it's not due to lack of willpower or laziness. I was so freaked out about my ugliness from being fat no matter what I did & from knowing I would die young because of my weight that I begged my doctor to get me a referral for weight loss surgery. I had the gastric bypass surgery last September 16 & now, as of today, I'm 105 lbs down from where I started. I still want to lose about 65 more but I'm getting there. Yeah, sometimes it does take extreme measures. What kills me is how we always hear about how unhealthy obesity is and what a strain it is on the health care system. No one ever talks about how unhealthy being underweight is and what a strain that also is on the healthcare system. As a matter of fact, being underweight is almost held up in the media as some sort of magically better standard to aspire to. Both are unhealthy but, somehow, some way, it's considered okay to bash the fatties but not the ones who look like concentration camp survivors who are starved into being a rack of bones. People can just be judgmental asswipes sometimes and being a judgmental asswipe rarely, if ever, coexists with compassion & intelligence. NBMG

Greta75 -> RE: Why is being into "big girls" still considered a fetish? (5/13/2014 9:37:20 PM)
The reason why there are more focus on obesity than people who are skeleton-like skin and bones, is because you rarely see people who are skeleton skin and bones around. Infact, I am not sure if I ever met one. Alot of skinny people in my country but skinny fat, if you do the pinch test, you can tell they have flesh and it's not toned and firm. It's not as much of an epidemic as severe obesity. I think obesity is a serious problem and a disease, and I wish doctors would be more focus on finding a cure for it. I am sure none of you guys follow The Kardesian, but one of the things going on is Rob, their youngest brother has put on alot of weight. Now to be honest, this "fat" rob is attractive to me body wise, because I do like big guys. But I am surprise, I don't even think his THAT big to start with, but they are saying his liver is shutting down and I am surprise someone of his size could have life threatening results, because he really isn't that big at all. And just recently, my friend who I have regular sex with, whatever you want to call him, best friends that fuck. He is bigger than Rob, and I absolutely love his body and am extremely attracted to it. But his doctor also recently gave him health warning, that he has high cholesterol and his knees are not supporting his weight well, and he has irregular heartbeat and has to lose all his weight if he wants to live. To my horror, his shrinking, lost 10kg in 1 month on this raw vege and fruits only diet, ridiculous. But oh well, I know it's for the best of his health. Now I feel like my cuddly teddy bear is gonna be skin and bones by the end of his weight loss endeavor! Although he promised me that sex will be better as he feels he will have more energy to keep up with me ha ha. I wish people could be a certain size and be healthy, but the reality is, it is not.

LookieNoNookie -> RE: Why is being into "big girls" still considered a fetish? (5/13/2014 10:18:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CobaltRose I plan on being a chubby girl (since im already a chubby guy) and what pisses me off is that people still consider liking women who are bigger than what society says so is a fetish. Why are people who like big girls called "chubby chasers" but people who like small girls not called, i dont know, "twig trackers" yes, i know, dumb name, but so is "chubby chasers" Why do some white men or women prefer black men or women? Why do some men like to dress up? Why do some people thrill at going to a Ren Fair? How the fuck should I know? My kinks freak some out, turn others on.

OriginalRebel -> RE: Why is being into "big girls" still considered a fetish? (5/14/2014 12:43:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lynnxz A calorie is a measurement. That is like saying a pound of rocks is heavier than a pound of feathers. Yep, a calorie is a measure of energy but our body will utilize that energy in different ways. Others can explain it better than me. Dr. Dariush Mozaffarian, a cardiologist and epidemiologist at the Harvard School of Public Health. “What you eat makes quite a difference. Just counting calories won’t matter much unless you look at the kinds of calories you’re eating http://www.thegreatfitnessexperiment.com/2011/07/harvard-says-calories-incalories-out-model-is-flawed-so-what-do-we-use-instead.html http://authoritynutrition.com/debunking-the-calorie-myth/ http://danceswithfat.wordpress.com/2011/03/06/the-calories-incalories-out-myth/ quote: ORIGINAL: NiceButMeanGirl What kills me is how we always hear about how unhealthy obesity is and what a strain it is on the health care system. No one ever talks about how unhealthy being underweight is and what a strain that also is on the healthcare system. As a matter of fact, being underweight is almost held up in the media as some sort of magically better standard to aspire to. Both are unhealthy but, somehow, some way, it's considered okay to bash the fatties but not the ones who look like concentration camp survivors We have however, on this very thread, been talking about skinny people and how normal healthy looking weight can be unhealthy too.

Greta75 -> RE: Why is being into "big girls" still considered a fetish? (5/14/2014 12:54:07 AM)
[image]http://commercialcabinetsolutions.com/wp-content/upgrade/hyuna-4minute-hot-7610.jpg[/image] Here's one of Asia's most desirable ladies, Hyuna, she's most chinese men wet dream of a perfect figure, maybe those in the west may have seen her in the Gangnam style video. She is 5'3 and 85lbs. Is this unhealthy? She claims her trick to weight maintenance is to simply cut starch completely out of her diet. Of course, her career is like the Britney Spears of Korea, so she basically lip syncs and dances alot too and really does heavy dancing sequences in all her concerts. She's certainly not skin and bones though. I think it really takes alot for ppl to reach the stage where there is barely any flesh because she is still fleshy.

Greta75 -> RE: Why is being into "big girls" still considered a fetish? (5/14/2014 1:02:58 AM)
[image]https://s.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/pBexuTry9C42.k7jIfqoZg--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en-SG/blogs/sportsblog/Picture3-587x630.jpg[/image] Here is another local celebrity, but she is half white and half Asian. Interestingly, body shapes are very funny, I find that she looked healthier when she was rounder and bigger and a little anorexic when she got slim, even though she gain it by exercise. But Hyuna doesn't look that way. Maybe Hyuna has smaller bones. This woman is the same height as hyuna by the way. What do ya all think, which looks healthier? The reason she got slim is because of this, her direct quote: “I got fat. Australian food is awesome and my boyfriend (now fiancé) loves to watch me eat. When I graduated and came back to Singapore in 2008, I see skinny girls everywhere and I got massively depressed, so I decided I had to lose weight and get back in shape”

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Why is being into "big girls" still considered a fetish? (5/14/2014 1:33:44 AM)
I prefer the look of the figure in jeans and even that is a little slim for my taste. The slimmed-down version looks ugly and Hyuna is too skinny for me.

Greta75 -> RE: Why is being into "big girls" still considered a fetish? (5/14/2014 1:36:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 I prefer the look of the figure in jeans and even that is a little slim for my taste. The slimmed-down version looks ugly and Hyuna is too skinny for me. Some people do seem to suit rounder figure better, like in the example of the girl who was rounder.

OriginalRebel -> RE: Why is being into "big girls" still considered a fetish? (5/14/2014 1:41:11 AM)
Whilst I think the second girl looks more attractive with a little weight, I don't think she looks unhealthy on the second picture. She hasn't lost the flesh on her face which starving people tend to do. Neither her ribs, hips or collar bone are protruding and her hair and skin look healthy. Actually her legs still look quite chunky compared to her upper body.

Greta75 -> RE: Why is being into "big girls" still considered a fetish? (5/14/2014 1:47:59 AM)
quote: Actually her legs still look quite chunky compared to her upper body. I think it's camera angle. When you watch those Next Top Models program, they show pictures on how even size 0 models can make themselves look fat in pictures in unflattering angles ha. Here's a picture with a better angle of her legs. [image]https://media.zenfs.com/en-SG/blogs/sportsblog/CTT_4217-630x421.jpg[/image]

eulero83 -> RE: Why is being into "big girls" still considered a fetish? (5/14/2014 2:03:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SailingBum quote: ORIGINAL: OriginalRebel Italian women, at least the majority of Italian women living in Italy, are exceptionally thin but they are small in height and appear smaller boned than Americans and some of their European cousins. Italian men like shapely but slim not rounded and Italians (in Italy) are brought up with the saying instilled into them, "if you never gain weight, there will never be a need to lose it." Uhh you were saying...... BadOne I already pointed out we came in different size and shapes, but to be fair the scenario is quite different from the usa, 60% of italians have a normal weight and 10% is obese while in the usa 39% has a normal weight and around 30% is obese. This is not magic but we have very different culinary habits than the usa or northern europe, up to the point that we have a hard time eating abroad because everything tastes too sweet, as an example dressing pork ribs with brown sugar before grilling them is something would make us throwing them in the trash or if you eat jam with meat, like the germans use, in a resturant in italy you'd be stared with some degree of disgust. Another main difference is the distribution of the nutrients during the day, we eat carbs in the morning and switch to proteins in the evening, as originalrebel pointed out not all calories are the same but some need to be used faster then some others, so eating carbs when you are the most active and proteins when you are going to sleep won't make you accumulate those energy as fat. I'll add a picture of the obesity ratio in different regions of italy, it will probably tell you less than what tells me as you probably don't know what dishes come from which region, but the darker regions are those who have more fat or fried traditional foods. [image]http://www.ioeasma.it/userfiles/obesi%20istat.png[/image]

eulero83 -> RE: Why is being into "big girls" still considered a fetish? (5/14/2014 2:13:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OriginalRebel Whilst I think the second girl looks more attractive with a little weight, I don't think she looks unhealthy on the second picture. She hasn't lost the flesh on her face which starving people tend to do. Neither her ribs, hips or collar bone are protruding and her hair and skin look healthy. Actually her legs still look quite chunky compared to her upper body. it's clear she lost the weight through exercise she is slim and tonic and her legs show that, I'd say her look in the picture on the right is my ideal body type.

OriginalRebel -> RE: Why is being into "big girls" still considered a fetish? (5/14/2014 2:47:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: eulero83 quote: ORIGINAL: OriginalRebel Whilst I think the second girl looks more attractive with a little weight, I don't think she looks unhealthy on the second picture. She hasn't lost the flesh on her face which starving people tend to do. Neither her ribs, hips or collar bone are protruding and her hair and skin look healthy. Actually her legs still look quite chunky compared to her upper body. it's clear she lost the weight through exercise she is slim and tonic and her legs show that, I'd say her look in the picture on the right is my ideal body type. I can see why. Italian, French, Swiss, Polish, Dutch and Czechs and some large areas of Spain, on average, have the body type of the slimmer version of picture 2. In England, the average young woman who is considered on the slim side would be the shape of the more rounded Asian girl. In England that girl certainly wouldn't be considered plump. When its perfectly normal to see obese teenagers walking home from school and when its a daily event to see morbidly obese people, as you do in the UK, you tend to forget how slim and fit your average European cousins are. As depressing as it may be for many to view slim girls, what we shouldn't do is try and pull them apart. They are what they are which is slim, fit and healthy.

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