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chatterbox24 -> RE: Hate speech or free speech or both? (5/16/2014 11:12:31 AM)
Deem me ignorant, I was serious. I have often wondered that but sure I will google. quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 ok ok!!! waves hand in the air. Why in a lot of rap music do black/African americans call your own selves the N=naughty word? This is really a peurile question. I have seen your profile and you claim to be over 21. You are an articulate person and not computer illiterate. Perhaps you mght seek help from google. Then you may be disabused of your ignorance either feigned or real.

chatterbox24 -> RE: Hate speech or free speech or both? (5/16/2014 11:16:12 AM)
cracker.....white trash...those are the only ones I know. I hope I don't get in trouble for telling you by the moderators. But those are a couple. quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 ok ok!!! waves hand in the air. Why in a lot of rap music do black/African americans call your own selves the N=naughty word? What's the racist word for white people? In my country, it's Ang Moh Kao, or Ang Moh Kuai which really just means, Red Hair Dog or Red Hair Ghost. Not sure if it's really insulting.

Greta75 -> RE: Hate speech or free speech or both? (5/16/2014 11:17:47 AM)
Cracker? White Trash? Sheesh But i hear white people use the word white trash more. Infact, I never hear a coloured use that word ever! I have never ever heard anybody use Cracker! Haha, what does that even mean! I googled those 2 words and they seem to specifically be used for low income earning people, so it's not really a racial slur but mainly to indicate someone is of lower class status or something.

thompsonx -> RE: Hate speech or free speech or both? (5/16/2014 11:19:46 AM)
ORIGINAL: Greta75 I kinda see it more like, typical American to change the spelling of words. Started with Negro, and then change it to the evil N word that we all know now. That would be a rather reckless direction in your vision since I live here and am quite familiar with the culture of the u.s. and you are not. I reckon at that time if chinese were slaves, they would use the word "chinese" with derision as well, The chinese were "slaves" on the transcontinental rail road, and the diminuitive was cxxxk. but that's not the point. Why let another stupid race define what that word means. Why put up with rude behaviour from anyone? Fact that black americans are able to to use the N word among themselves lovingly, tells me it's origin is not meant to be derogatory. I have a lady friend whom I refer to as "my bitch"...I would not advise anyone else calling her that..."my bitch" has no sense of humor. Are there names that someone close to you might call you that you would find offensive from someone else? When I see people use that excuse it becomes clear,to me, that they feel that they somehow need an excuse to be rude. Thus he did it so why can't I...not at all dissimilar from small children who giggle when someone discusses a dam under construction>>>>giggle giggle he said damn[8\|]

chatterbox24 -> RE: Hate speech or free speech or both? (5/16/2014 11:20:37 AM)
[sm=rofl.gif] quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 Cracker? White Trash? Sheesh But i hear white people use the word white trash more. Infact, I never hear a coloured use that word ever! I have never ever heard anybody use Cracker! Haha, what does that even mean! [sm=rofl.gif] That we are crumby and salty? hahaha. Girl I have no idea, someone else would have to tell you that, but I just love you. SO cute!!!!

Greta75 -> RE: Hate speech or free speech or both? (5/16/2014 11:25:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx The chinese were "slaves" on the transcontinental rail road, and the diminuitive was cxxxk. I bet Chink is not censored. I'm cool with being called Chink or Gook, I got American friends who call me gook affectionately, and my x-dom who is white love to call me Chink, but lovingly. Big deal! quote: but that's not the point. Why let another stupid race define what that word means. Exactly! quote: Are there names that someone close to you might call you that you would find offensive from someone else? I find racists attitudes amusing, I usually do not react with offense, because it confuses them. And it's more effective. I like to show a racist that his wrong about my race by not reacting defensively or aggressively towards him. That's always been me, and also how I have won over racists that they don't see my colour anymore and made me their friend.

thompsonx -> RE: Hate speech or free speech or both? (5/16/2014 11:25:04 AM)
ORIGINAL: Greta75 Cracker? White Trash? Sheesh But i hear white people use the word white trash more. Infact, I never hear a coloured use that word ever! I have never ever heard anybody use Cracker! Haha, what does that even mean! I am pretty sure it means that you do not live in the u.s. and do not associate with black people in the u.s. I googled those 2 words and they seem to specifically be used for low income earning people, so it's not really a racial slur but mainly to indicate someone is of lower class status or something. White trash, more commonly yes but not exclusively. Cracker, no.

Moderator3 -> RE: Hate speech or free speech or both? (5/16/2014 11:28:24 AM)
Now that this has been covered, please, get back to the topic of the thread.

Greta75 -> RE: Hate speech or free speech or both? (5/16/2014 11:28:34 AM)
I had a Nazi skinhead walked towards me and spit on my hair in Los Angeles. Like an innocent tourist, I was like, WOW!! A real racist! I smiled at him and he thought I was demented.

chatterbox24 -> RE: Hate speech or free speech or both? (5/16/2014 11:35:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 I had a Nazi skinhead walked towards me and spit on my hair in Los Angeles. Like an innocent tourist, I was like, WOW!! A real racist! I smiled at him and he thought I was demented. I am really sorry about that Greta, I have no use for people who act like that. ....But back on topic, people in office should honor their position by not disrespecting others by the use of such words, that are known to be a trigger.

Greta75 -> RE: Hate speech or free speech or both? (5/16/2014 11:38:24 AM)
quote: I am really sorry about that Greta, I have no use for people who act like that Haha, I just saw it as kid watching too much American History X and trying to be Edward Norton and act cool. quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 ....But back on topic, people in office should honor their position by not disrespecting others by the use of such words, that are known to be a trigger. Yup, in this case, his suppose to represent people of all races, so he cannot have prejudice. He is not right for the job.

thompsonx -> RE: Hate speech or free speech or both? (5/16/2014 11:40:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 cracker.....white trash...those are the only ones I know. Grey boy Chuck white Ofey Da man Honkey Peckerwood The devil Bean dipper Betty crocker Afro-saxon Brady Bubba Opie Bill cosby did an hour long standup where he did nothing but say racial slurs non stop for an hour and never repeated himself...I was still young then and had no idea that there was so much hate that one could speak for an hour without repeating oneself. I have since found out that he could have gone on for days and yes all in english.

Greta75 -> RE: Hate speech or free speech or both? (5/16/2014 11:45:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx Grey boy Chuck white Ofey Da man Honkey Peckerwood The devil Bean dipper Betty crocker Afro-saxon Brady Bubba Opie Bill cosby did an hour long standup where he did nothing but say racial slurs non stop for an hour and never repeated himself...I was still young then and had no idea that there was so much hate that one could speak for an hour without repeating oneself. I have since found out that he could have gone on for days and yes all in english. The big question is, are white people ever offended by any of this? Bubba seem to be used alot by white modern folks to make fun of southern folks isn't it? The devil sounds so cool! Christians call me The Devil all the time around here! But linking this to topic, even if this white dude used words like bubba or white trash, to refer to George Bush, his being unprofessional in his job. But since his elected, which means, if he wins the re-election, then it simply says that majority of that town folks agreed with his ways, which just simply says, it's a backwards uneducated town, and nothing you can do about that. Leave them in their ignorance.

Zonie63 -> RE: Hate speech or free speech or both? (5/16/2014 7:03:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: Zonie63 quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML Does this police commissioner have a duty to avoid expressing his racial epithets in public? Should he have to resign as some townspeople wish? Isn't he protected by the First Amendment as an elected official? Or does he have a greater duty to racial equality and equal justice as a law man? I think what struck me about this was that he was overheard in a restaurant by someone who had moved to the town four months earlier. He's an elected official, so I would imagine he's probably been living in this small town for quite some time. Is this the first time that anyone has heard him use a racial epithet? He's 82, so it's likely not a habit he only just recently started. But now, it's reached national attention - and not very favorable attention at that. I would say that he's certainly protected by the First Amendment in the sense that he can't be prosecuted or jailed just for using a racial epithet. But the townspeople can certainly call for his resignation or vote him out of office. I'm not sure if recall elections are allowed there or whether there are other local provisions for removing someone from office. Age is no excuse and as an old guy myself I find the age factor a little condescending, although he does look like a mean old member of the KKK stereotype. [:D] I wasn't suggesting that his age was any excuse for what he said, but I'm just wondering: Is this really the first time anyone in this town heard him use a racial epithet?

DesideriScuri -> RE: Hate speech or free speech or both? (5/16/2014 7:53:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BecomingV I don't even like it when they call President Obama, "Obama." When did newscasters drop the propriety? I think it's racist. It's Bush's fault. [:D]

DesideriScuri -> RE: Hate speech or free speech or both? (5/16/2014 8:11:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice FR For me, the case raises two thorny questions: (a) Was Copeland's utterance "public" or "private"? He wasn't speaking in an official capacity, yet he was in a public place, and someone overheard him. (b) Is someone who has unapologetically announced that he has "criteria" for defining whom the N-word fits an appropriate choice for having power over town employees? A) Public. It doesn't matter if he wasn't speaking in an official manner. He was speaking in such a way that he was overheard without extraordinary means. If this didn't come out unless he was surreptitiously taped, bugged, or spied on, that's a different story. B) IMO, no, but I don't have a vote in that election. So, it's not up to me. If his electorate believe he's an appropriate representative, we have no authority to demand he step down. Back to A) I'm happy that a politician would authentically speak his/her mind and not back away from what was said. I respect that level of responsibility, even when I don't respect what was said. That's what I don't like about the PC crowd. They won't say what's on their minds if it might hurt sensitive ears. That doesn't change their minds, though. That doesn't make them any less of a racist. That just makes them fake. I've said it before and I'll say it again; I'd much rather people speak honestly so we know who they are. If you don't like ______, own it. Don't hide it.

Musicmystery -> RE: Hate speech or free speech or both? (5/16/2014 8:22:31 PM)
In this case, that "PC" label is more accurately a valid concern about his ability to fairly serve part of the public.

dcnovice -> RE: Hate speech or free speech or both? (5/16/2014 9:13:58 PM)
quote: About the time of... Washington. That brought to mind a childhood moment I hadn't thought of in years. In a park in Boston, we passed a statue of GW, simply labelled "Washington." My historian uncle said you know someone looms large in history when it takes only a single name to identify him or her.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Hate speech or free speech or both? (5/17/2014 2:26:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery In this case, that "PC" label is more accurately a valid concern about his ability to fairly serve part of the public. Unless you are in that political subdivision, that doesn't concern you. If he isn't your elected official, he can't represent you, can't serve you, and you have no say in his worth as a representative. Should he have used that word? That all depends on what he meant. If he meant all the word implies, then, yes, he should have used that word. If he didn't mean what that word implies, then, no, he shouldn't have used that word. It doesn't matter whether you or I agree with him. It's what he meant that matters. And, I'd rather someone state their actual beliefs, no matter who is going to get pissed off, so we know where that person stands. Can an elected official who holds beliefs diametrically opposed to those held by a group of people fairly serve the constituents within that group?

DesideriScuri -> RE: Hate speech or free speech or both? (5/17/2014 2:27:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: About the time of... Washington. That brought to mind a childhood moment I hadn't thought of in years. In a park in Boston, we passed a statue of GW, simply labelled "Washington." My historian uncle said you know someone looms large in history when it takes only a single name to identify him or her. Quite true.

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