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In this case, that "PC" label is more accurately a valid concern about his ability to fairly serve part of the public.

Unless you are in that political subdivision, that doesn't concern you. If he isn't your elected official, he can't represent you, can't serve you, and you have no say in his worth as a representative.

Should he have used that word? That all depends on what he meant. If he meant all the word implies, then, yes, he should have used that word. If he didn't mean what that word implies, then, no, he shouldn't have used that word. It doesn't matter whether you or I agree with him. It's what he meant that matters. And, I'd rather someone state their actual beliefs, no matter who is going to get pissed off, so we know where that person stands.

Can an elected official who holds beliefs diametrically opposed to those held by a group of people fairly serve the constituents within that group?

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In this case, that "PC" label is more accurately a valid concern about his ability to fairly serve part of the public.

Unless you are in that political subdivision, that doesn't concern you. If he isn't your elected official, he can't represent you, can't serve you, and you have no say in his worth as a representative.
Should he have used that word? That all depends on what he meant. If he meant all the word implies, then, yes, he should have used that word. If he didn't mean what that word implies, then, no, he shouldn't have used that word. It doesn't matter whether you or I agree with him. It's what he meant that matters. And, I'd rather someone state their actual beliefs, no matter who is going to get pissed off, so we know where that person stands.
Can an elected official who holds beliefs diametrically opposed to those held by a group of people fairly serve the constituents within that group?

1) Duh. His ability to serve those people is entirely the issue.
2) You're an idiot. The whole fucking nation is here when there's a Congressional seat up for grabs. That Palin, Beck, and Gingrich aren't from northern NY didn't stop them from campaigning for dipshit here--ironically, which helped him lose to the first Democrat elected here ever (the last time a Republican hadn't held that seat, it was a Whig).
3) I'm certainly allowed to consider relevant information in considering issues. If it just weren't up to us, then there's be no thread. That's how conversations work. I won't be voted there, but I've no trouble seeing why they're pissed off.

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Again, duh.
You missed the part where I typed words.

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At least you're acknowledging that you're "refuting" points you've never read or considered.
That's why conversation with you is pointless.

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I'm beyond "debating" silly playground taunts.
The points I raised are still there, if you decide to address them instead of dodging them.

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Maybe if you clicked your heels?

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(b) The article says of a black officer: When asked to comment outside the meeting, he said, "I'd love to, but I can't." I'd really like to know why he couldn't. Fear of retribution? PD policy? Something else?

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I find racists attitudes amusing, I usually do not react with offense, because it confuses them. And it's more effective. I like to show a racist that his wrong about my race by not reacting defensively or aggressively towards him. That's always been me, and also how I have won over racists that they don't see my colour anymore and made me their friend.

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I find racists attitudes amusing, I usually do not react with offense, because it confuses them. And it's more effective. I like to show a racist that his wrong about my race by not reacting defensively or aggressively towards him. That's always been me, and also how I have won over racists that they don't see my colour anymore and made me their friend.

Maybe I am wrong but I have the impression from what you have written that you have little understanding or awareness of the history of the Civil Rights movement in America. You might not be so cavalier or dismissive if you were aware of the terror, oppression, and indignities that Black people suffered under slavery and Jim Crow laws. You totally misunderstand the historical power the epithet has in this country. Your comments have seemed naïve at best.

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I find racists attitudes amusing, I usually do not react with offense, because it confuses them. And it's more effective. I like to show a racist that his wrong about my race by not reacting defensively or aggressively towards him. That's always been me, and also how I have won over racists that they don't see my colour anymore and made me their friend.

Maybe I am wrong but I have the impression from what you have written that you have little understanding or awareness of the history of the Civil Rights movement in America. You might not be so cavalier or dismissive if you were aware of the terror, oppression, and indignities that Black people suffered under slavery and Jim Crow laws. You totally misunderstand the historical power the epithet has in this country. Your comments have seemed naïve at best.

Sounds like Greta has a successful response to racists there. And, if that's her response, and she's satisfied with that response, why would you think to change it? Should she really respond as to take out past wrongs that may not have had any impact on her or her family?

That's not how hate is reduced. That just keeps it rolling.

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Well, I read the first post and this last page.

Free speech doesn't protect you from your employment constraints and responsibilities. Announcing to the world that your boss is an asshole means you can be fired, but that's not an infringement on your right to free speech. Using a racial slur is the same thing. You might get fired for it because the company you work for wants to distance themselves from that kind of behavior, but you won't be imprisoned for it.

As far as the posts on page 4 here:
ok boys, yes the water is both cold AND deep.

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I wonder who made that fellow's email public?

Look at that fellow's age.

This article reminds me of something my grandfather told me when I was five or so. After hearing the KKK speaker on the courthouse steps going on about "nigger this", "kike that", and "commie pinko fags"; I asked "what's a nigger". "A dumb redneck mispronouncing 'negro' which is simply Spanish for 'black'". Yes, this was in the deep south in 1963. Water fountains and bathrooms came in "colored" and "white". I wondered why only black people got to use colorful toilets and whites had to settle for plain white porcelain.

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I find racists attitudes amusing, I usually do not react with offense, because it confuses them. And it's more effective. I like to show a racist that his wrong about my race by not reacting defensively or aggressively towards him. That's always been me, and also how I have won over racists that they don't see my colour anymore and made me their friend.

Maybe I am wrong but I have the impression from what you have written that you have little understanding or awareness of the history of the Civil Rights movement in America. You might not be so cavalier or dismissive if you were aware of the terror, oppression, and indignities that Black people suffered under slavery and Jim Crow laws. You totally misunderstand the historical power the epithet has in this country. Your comments have seemed naïve at best.

Sounds like Greta has a successful response to racists there. And, if that's her response, and she's satisfied with that response, why would you think to change it? Should she really respond as to take out past wrongs that may not have had any impact on her or her family?
That's not how hate is reduced. That just keeps it rolling.

I was referring to her casual dismissal of the impact of the N-word; not to her personal strategies. This thread was not about her personal strategies. Furthermore, I strongly disagree with your last comment. That is not how hate is being reduced in this country. The historical effort has been massive and continues today fifty years after the passage of the Civil Rights Law. So, no. I don't buy your trickle up theory. I hope I haven't misread you.