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lovmuffin -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/5/2016 10:23:06 AM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


ORIGINAL: lovmuffin
ORIGINAL: thompsonx


You're wrong. In the state of Florida, shooting to wound is unlawful.


That's not even a nice try. A link to hunting regulations prove nothing.


That is all I could find saying that shooting to wound is illegal in fla.


I live here and I know the law.

Then perhaps you could link us to that law?





I can't find anything either at the moment on the legalities of shooting to wound. The best I can tell you for now is I've been informed by others who are knowledgeable on this aspect of the law including a police officer.

I did find this which totally destroys your shoot to wound loigic.

https://www.pfoa.co.uk/110/shooting-to-wound

I found tons of stuff that says if you fire a warning shot in the state of Florida, yer fucked. I almost totally disagree with the law on warning shots as there are instances when warning shots as apposed to taking a life would be prudent.

I will concede one thing to you though. IMO there very well may be some instances when shooting to wound might not be a bad choice. For now I won't get into them.




mnottertail -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/5/2016 10:27:19 AM)

The questin of whether self defense allows you to beat someone to death has been answered. Trayvon Martin in Florida, beat and then shot to death in self defense by his stalker.




lovmuffin -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/5/2016 10:31:19 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

ORIGINAL: lovmuffin
ORIGINAL: thompsonx

This is priceless, your willing to shoot RO in the foot thus requiring an emergency room visit. So ya think he's going cover for your ass with the authorities when they inquire about his injury or is he going to tell them he made a bet with Wild Man Sharpshooter Buffalo Bill Blowhard ??


Thus the necessity for a visit to my lawyer as a prerequisite...but then neither of you feel that I can do it so why so shy? Is it a lack of money or just a lack of intestinal fortitude?[8|]


I never said you couldn't do it, you might get lucky for all I know. The conversation and all this talk of lawyers and stuff is a whole lot of stupid crap. The original premise of the conversation is that in a gun fight you shoot at the centrer of mass, at least in most circumstances. There might be times when a head shot is warranted or even another part of the anatomy but not usually. You seem to think, if I recall correctly that because you're so humane and you would rather not kill someone that in the heat of the moment you would rather shoot for the foot or some such foolishness. You're wrong. In the state of Florida, shooting to wound is unlawful. Furthermore, if shooting someone is indeed warranted, why should you care about whether or not the guy happens to die as a result of his injuries.

Now that you mention it I think there are several states where shooting to wound is taken a proof that you didn't need to shoot in the first place.


That is my understanding of the law here in Florida. I think I'm correct but at this point I need to confirm it. I'll get back to Thompson when I do.




Real0ne -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/5/2016 10:32:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


ORIGINAL: Real0ne

not for the chump change he wants to put up, it would take 30k to make the body armor to insure my safety. He'd have to sweeten the pot by another zero if he wants my attention.

There is nothing in the wager that allows you or your foot to wear body armor. Why would you need body armor since neither you nor he believe it possible to hit the foot of a running man at 10' or 25 yards.[8|]



This is priceless, your willing to shoot RO in the foot thus requiring an emergency room visit. So ya think he's going cover for your ass with the authorities when they inquire about his injury or is he going to tell them he made a bet with Wild Man Sharpshooter Buffalo Bill Blowhard ??



HAHA!

Yep felch is just rootin and tootin blowing his horn. The odds of his actually hitting a big toe are next to none, that is why I require body armor to protect my head and the rest of my body, and I certainly wont do it for chump change of 25k FFS.

He wants to pretend he is bill munden fine, but there are rules in these games.

First he needs to get this bet into 6 digits, adding a '0' will be fine, which I will match.

Second put it all in an irrevocable letter of credit based upon the winner, which I will match.

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Model TX9252 Thus endeth the lesson, you may sit down and learn the material before you speak, Real0ne.
(the only ones gonna get lessoned here are you and felch snottytail)

Third we order a brand new super duper kick ass pooper shootin high standard winchester magnum wit da super duper 10" barrel and the gun shop will hold it in a factory sealed box for us to pick up together. Then pick up a box of ammo, 40gr winchester .22 magnum bowets from which I will randomly choose one round out of the box that he can use for the event and the rest he can use to sight in his super duper pooper shooter.

Forth I get full body armor, with a 1" opening around the big toe since he is likely to hit me in the head or some other part of my body, because, well he smoked one to many buffalo chips.

Fifth he has to shoot before or no later than one footstep past the 25 yard mark, not before 3 steps off the 35 yard mark which will be my starting point.

Until he gets cash, assets, pensions, trusts, I dont really give a shit what form as long as it has value, into a ILC, to ante up, and emails me a copy of the paperwork, I am not doing a damn thing further because he cant make the shot anyway and this is all nothing more than trolling. this is all about felches vivid imagination.





and to add to that, what should be the penalty if he welches out?

500 bucks to everyone who called him on his bullshit previous to this post?

No way in hel is he going to follow through with it. Not when the funds are held by the bank and he has no choice but to go totally broke as I jam his words down his throat.









ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/5/2016 10:40:50 AM)

LOL
This is hilarious!




Real0ne -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/5/2016 10:44:52 AM)

it most certainly is, let the backpeddling begin! [8D]




thompsonx -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/5/2016 10:50:46 AM)


ORIGINAL: lovmuffin
ORIGINAL: thompsonx


I can't find anything either at the moment on the legalities of shooting to wound.

I am not late for work. I also understand that wading through half a ton of legalease to find one tidbit of knowledge is more than a little time consuming. It took me an hour just to find the one on wounding game animals.


I did find this which totally destroys your shoot to wound loigic.


That was one of the documents I had to wade through to find it said nothing pertinent to our discussion. It is about a law requiring cops to use less than lethal response. It is a cops opinion about that proposed law in a state that is not florida.



I found tons of stuff that says if you fire a warning shot in the state of Florida, yer fucked. I almost totally disagree with the law on warning shots as there are instances when warning shots as apposed to taking a life would be prudent.

I found many instances where the shooter of the warning shot was arrested but not one where he was convicted.

I will concede one thing to you though. IMO there very well may be some instances when shooting to wound might not be a bad choice. For now I won't get into them.


Remember, my position is for myself.
What the cops or anyone else does is their karma and not mine.




thompsonx -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/5/2016 11:03:08 AM)


ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

LOL
This is hilarious!


I can get you a ringside seat hon but I am afraid that the only ones there will be thee and me and a few drill instructors.
Ifmaz has already chickened out (no offense intended chick) Fuzzy wuzzy has already chickened out of the original challange. Fido is a no sho so far but hasn't actually chickened out per se. So what we have is an opportunity for thee and me to enjoy the rustic beauty of some of san diego's back country.
We could meet at the ferris wheel, perhaps some dinner at the bellagio and proceed from there to a fun time in san diego.





thompsonx -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/5/2016 11:04:22 AM)


ORIGINAL: Real0ne

it most certainly is, let the backpeddling begin! [8D]


So far you are the only one backpeddling and leaving lots of rubber on the road in your retreat.




Real0ne -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/5/2016 11:06:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

I didnt learn a fucking thing from that gobbletygook except that I am able to find a 10" barrel on a .22 by high-standard.

you copped to that. I guess I did learn that you were wrong, as usual.




well that gooblety gook should be something you already understand as that is what is required to form a legally binding and foolproof contract, no fuss no muss.

That and without ground rules felch would start shooting before I started running with a gimbal mounted computer controlled weapon.

All I did is insure its fair and square.

Doesnt matter he is going to start slinging a baryard full of horseshit to get out of the bet now that he knows someone is actually willing to go through with proving it. Especially since anyone who shops at the px doesnt have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of!

a welchin he will go.... hi-o-the hairy toe a welchin he will go!

here is a pic of felch practicing with a 40 grain winchester sooper dooper pooper magnum

[image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/stuff/shit-gun-smiley-emoticon.gif[/image]




mnottertail -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/5/2016 11:30:59 AM)

Nope, nothing there in that horseshit to form a legally binding contract.




Real0ne -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/5/2016 11:33:05 AM)

I guess I gave you more credit than you deserve, sorry.




mnottertail -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/5/2016 11:35:57 AM)

You will never receive any credit for your untutored, mindless, factless, blubbering horseshit, so I got one on ya, don't I?




thompsonx -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/5/2016 11:41:12 AM)

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

Especially since anyone who shops at the px doesnt have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of!

Your opinion of those who rate px priviledges has been noted.[8|]




lovmuffin -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/5/2016 3:17:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx



I did find this which totally destroys your shoot to wound loigic.


That was one of the documents I had to wade through to find it said nothing pertinent to our discussion. It is about a law requiring cops to use less than lethal response. It is a cops opinion about that proposed law in a state that is not florida.


I think you need to wade through that document again. This time read the last section, "Tactical Issues" again slowly. Ron Avory is a championship shooter and the head of the Practical Shooting Academy. It really doesn't matter that there as some kind of proposed legislation pertaining to law enforcement somewhere other than Florida or that it's a cops opinion, the same logic applies to civilians and you are the only [8|] expert [8|] I know of that would disagree. Should I get an adult to explain it to ya?





DaddySatyr -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/5/2016 3:19:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

Should I get an adult to explain it to ya?



I doubt it would help. Billy is a stubborn lad.



Michael




lovmuffin -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/5/2016 3:24:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx



I found tons of stuff that says if you fire a warning shot in the state of Florida, yer fucked. I almost totally disagree with the law on warning shots as there are instances when warning shots as apposed to taking a life would be prudent.

I found many instances where the shooter of the warning shot was arrested but not one where he was convicted.


You need to look again. Everything I found has most of those people sitting in jail for 20 years as a result of Florida's 10/20/life law.




lovmuffin -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/5/2016 3:30:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


Remember, my position is for myself.
What the cops or anyone else does is their karma and not mine.



Yeah I get it. It's your stupid unsubstantiated phouqing position of which you have, nor is there, any validation.




thompsonx -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/5/2016 3:47:24 PM)

ORIGINAL: lovmuffin
ORIGINAL: thompsonx



I found tons of stuff that says if you fire a warning shot in the state of Florida, yer fucked. I almost totally disagree with the law on warning shots as there are instances when warning shots as apposed to taking a life would be prudent.

I found many instances where the shooter of the warning shot was arrested but not one where he was convicted.


You need to look again. Everything I found has most of those people sitting in jail for 20 years as a result of Florida's 10/20/life law.


How about a cite




PeonForHer -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/5/2016 3:50:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

LOL
This is hilarious!


I haven't followed this thread and have no intention of starting to do so. I can guess that it involves people tying themselves in knots about the fact that people regularly get killed when they're shot in self defence, but that's unavoidable (and indeed both legally and morally acceptable) - while those who *don't* use guns to defend themselves have a far greater burden on them to make sure that their attacker(s) remain alive.

This is a USA-focused debate, and in the USA, extreme positions on personal defence, guns and, most importantly of all, killing - are considered 'moderate'. It's bound to make us non-Americans feel baffled and bemused. Or even amused (though I can't say I feel the laughs just yet).






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