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lovmuffin -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/5/2016 6:17:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


That will certainly disabuse you of your ignorance.


Google "shooting to wound is stupid" and that will definitely disabuse you of yours.




lovmuffin -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/5/2016 6:25:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


ORIGINAL: lovmuffin
ORIGINAL: thompsonx


1) Anyone who happens to be armed who is confronted with a life threatening situation.

How convenient that the shooter is the one who decides. I have conveniently chosen not to take another life when I can simply remove the threat in a non lethal maner.



ROFLMFAO I suppose that it would be convenient. I mean what else is the shooter going to do in a life threatning situation, call up his mom for advice ??





thompsonx -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/5/2016 6:28:42 PM)


ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

ORIGINAL: thompsonx

Google "shooting to wound is stupid" and that will definitely disabuse you of yours.


I thought you were going to google up that it is illegal to shoot to wound in florida...instead you keep running your mouth about what you and the rest of the copsuckers believe justifies you killing some imaginary bad guy who punks you for your lunch money.




lovmuffin -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/5/2016 6:36:24 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

2) Certainly not all practical shooting experts are cops.

All that you have brought forward have been cops or copsuckers who validate that they cannot hit what they aim at unless it happens to be com



Like I said, just Google "shooting to wound is stupid". They're not *only* cops that invalidate your ignorant unsubstantiated opinion.




BamaD -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/5/2016 6:38:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin


quote:

ORIGINAL: thompsonx


ORIGINAL: lovmuffin
ORIGINAL: thompsonx


1) Anyone who happens to be armed who is confronted with a life threatening situation.

How convenient that the shooter is the one who decides. I have conveniently chosen not to take another life when I can simply remove the threat in a non lethal maner.



ROFLMFAO I suppose that would be convenient. I mean what else is the shooter going to do in a life threatning situation, call up his mom for advice ??



Hate to point this out but to actually validate his original claim, the other person would have to be able to shoot at him center mass at the same time, puts the proper stress in and also we could see who is the greater threat is later. Of course it can't happen because the lawyers will not participate in a felony conspiracy.




lovmuffin -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/5/2016 6:48:55 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

ORIGINAL: thompsonx

Google "shooting to wound is stupid" and that will definitely disabuse you of yours.


I thought you were going to google up that it is illegal to shoot to wound in florida...instead you keep running your mouth about what you and the rest of the copsuckers believe justifies you killing some imaginary bad guy who punks you for your lunch money.



I'm not your Google boy. I will however seek to confirm that what I believe about the Florida law is correct, in my own good time. Did you Google "shooting to wound is stupid" yet ? There are literally thousands of links that invalidate your ignorant unsubstantiated opinion. Maybe you could Google "shooting to wound is a cool idea". I'm sure you'd come up with pretty much the same thing.




lovmuffin -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/5/2016 6:57:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


ORIGINAL: epiphiny43
ORIGINAL: thompsonx

NO 'release' or contract absolves from criminal responsibility. Any that covers criminal behavior is invalid on it's face.
Agreements between individuals govern legally enforceable interactions between the two. No agreement involving criminal behavior is enforceable or valid. Criminal law is the State regulating conduct and can't be superseded by private agreement. BDSM folks have been all over this issue, to no avail. Keep up?
It May help with civil liability, where Preponderance of Evidence (50% of responsibility) is more the rule. A judge or prosecuter may just have both parties (Surviving) charged with criminal conspiracy. Same as assisted suicide with a survivor under certain jurisdiction's codes.

You are assuming a criminal conspiracy. That is not the issue here.
Consider the release of liability one signs when one goes sky diving.
I recently had the opportunity to drive a high powered race car at the cailfornia speedway(irwindale event center). Standard 12 page boilerplate release of liability while participatig in a potentially dangerous enterprise.
Yes I have spoken with base legal about this issue. Their only concern was with the criminal prohibition against dueling. They assured me that since I would be the only one with a gun it would not be a duel.





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BamaD -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/5/2016 6:59:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


ORIGINAL: epiphiny43
ORIGINAL: thompsonx

NO 'release' or contract absolves from criminal responsibility. Any that covers criminal behavior is invalid on it's face.
Agreements between individuals govern legally enforceable interactions between the two. No agreement involving criminal behavior is enforceable or valid. Criminal law is the State regulating conduct and can't be superseded by private agreement. BDSM folks have been all over this issue, to no avail. Keep up?
It May help with civil liability, where Preponderance of Evidence (50% of responsibility) is more the rule. A judge or prosecuter may just have both parties (Surviving) charged with criminal conspiracy. Same as assisted suicide with a survivor under certain jurisdiction's codes.

You are assuming a criminal conspiracy. That is not the issue here.
Consider the release of liability one signs when one goes sky diving.
I recently had the opportunity to drive a high powered race car at the cailfornia speedway(irwindale event center). Standard 12 page boilerplate release of liability while participatig in a potentially dangerous enterprise.
Yes I have spoken with base legal about this issue. Their only concern was with the criminal prohibition against dueling. They assured me that since I would be the only one with a gun it would not be a duel.





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lovmuffin -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/5/2016 7:04:05 PM)

With a cherry on top.




epiphiny43 -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/5/2016 7:31:38 PM)

A specious argument and example. People successfully sue despite in-place releases all the time. A release only protects Legal Activities from Civil liability if there has been no careless, reckless or criminal conduct, and usually requires full disclosure of risks and dangers, and often extensive full faith efforts to minimize these. The court decides which qualify and which don't. No release has any bearing on Criminal determinations and penalties by the State. If you are unclear, you get sued for money, collecting is quite uncertain. Criminal penalties by the State include fine or IMPRISONMENT.
Releases are usually a good idea. Making sure they do what is desired is both difficult and a dynamic situation. Why wise people with a lot at risk pay for the best lawyer they can afford, generally. Trick shooting demos generally are fake. Real ones do happen. Accidental injuries there are possible and usually without consequence beyond the necessary medical issues. Deliberate aimed fire at a human's body minus clear expectations by all provided measures are fully adequate to prevent injury, can't be covered by any protection other than Self Defense laws or as an allowed activity under national and international Rules of War.
Shooting oneself as Performance Art wasn't prosecuted, other jurisdictions might have reacted differently.
Setting up a robot or other accurate facsimile of a running human foot and demonstrating the necessary marksmanship to hit said foot is simple and not even expensive. A public first trial would be most interesting. As I've known a number of crack pistol and rifle marksmen, forgive my skeptical predictions. All took few shots, which were of moving objects with quite predictable paths, not dissimilar to rising game birds. Not what a running foot is at all. Each had quite exceptional vision and reaction time, as well as a lifetime of constant shooting practice.
It's more than obvious that body dynamics in motion are not understood, or considered. There are good reasons self defense experts teach targeting Center of Body Mass, which are the same football tacklers are taught to look at and aim at belt buckles, which parallels all martial arts instruction.
If it really matters if you hit, take the highest probability shot. If it doesn't matter, why is your finger even near the trigger? Time to get current in proper firearms instruction. Hope you don't carry, the rest of us really get unhappy about ADs.




thompsonx -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/5/2016 7:42:34 PM)

Would you like to play also? Or you practicing for a perry mason audition?




thompsonx -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/5/2016 7:45:29 PM)

ORIGINAL: lovmuffin
ORIGINAL: thompsonx

I thought you were going to google up that it is illegal to shoot to wound in florida...instead you keep running your mouth about what you and the rest of the copsuckers believe justifies you killing some imaginary bad guy who punks you for your lunch money.



I'm not your Google boy.

Nope you are just another loudmouth spouting bullshit that you cannot backup.





thompsonx -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/5/2016 7:49:52 PM)

ORIGINAL: BamaD

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How about it fat boy do you wanna play or just run your mouth?




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/5/2016 8:30:27 PM)

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We could meet at the ferris wheel, perhaps some dinner at the bellagio and proceed from there to a fun time in san diego.

Not a fucking chance.




lovmuffin -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/5/2016 8:41:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

ORIGINAL: lovmuffin
ORIGINAL: thompsonx

I thought you were going to google up that it is illegal to shoot to wound in florida...instead you keep running your mouth about what you and the rest of the copsuckers believe justifies you killing some imaginary bad guy who punks you for your lunch money.



I'm not your Google boy.

Nope you are just another loudmouth spouting bullshit that you cannot backup.




Me ?? Loudmouth ?? No Tommy, I think it's pretty clear who the loudmouth is. And Im only arguing one thing. Shooting to wound is a stupid idea.

Oh, and what epiphiny said.




Real0ne -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/5/2016 8:41:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


ORIGINAL: lovmuffin
ORIGINAL: thompsonx


Perhaps you might check with your lawyer about a simple release of liability.




You mean check with my lawyer pertaining to your silly validation demonstration that's never going to happen ?

Another one with an excess of mouth and a lack of intestinal fortitude and money. You have made a wise decission young man. You will continue to walk without a iimp.





The only wise decision I've made is not to entertain your stupid discussion about a validation demonstration that is not only clearly illegal but isn't ever going to happen in the first place. I don't know how I could possibly make that any more clear to you. You really do need an adult to splain it to ya. But go ahead Mr Blowhard continue talking your talk.




its not gonna happen because first off he is offering chump change and secondly he aint got no money! [8|]

He'd have it already in an ILC if he did and was not planning on fucking you over if you won.


besides I already accepted his challenge and am waiting for the paperwork and ILC




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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


ORIGINAL: Real0ne

not for the chump change he wants to put up, it would take 30k to make the body armor to insure my safety. He'd have to sweeten the pot by another zero if he wants my attention.

There is nothing in the wager that allows you or your foot to wear body armor. Why would you need body armor since neither you nor he believe it possible to hit the foot of a running man at 10' or 25 yards.[8|]



This is priceless, your willing to shoot RO in the foot thus requiring an emergency room visit. So ya think he's going cover for your ass with the authorities when they inquire about his injury or is he going to tell them he made a bet with Wild Man Sharpshooter Buffalo Bill Blowhard ??



HAHA!

Yep felch is just rootin and tootin blowing his horn. The odds of his actually hitting a big toe are next to none, that is why I require body armor to protect my head and the rest of my body, and I certainly wont do it for chump change of 25k FFS.

He wants to pretend he is bill munden fine, but there are rules in these games.

First he needs to get this bet into 6 digits, adding a '0' will be fine, which I will match.

Second put it all in an irrevocable letter of credit based upon the winner, which I will match.

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Model TX9252 Thus endeth the lesson, you may sit down and learn the material before you speak, Real0ne.
(the only ones gonna get lessoned here are you and felch snottytail)

Third we order a brand new super duper kick ass pooper shootin high standard winchester magnum wit da super duper 10" barrel and the gun shop will hold it in a factory sealed box for us to pick up together. Then pick up a box of ammo, 40gr winchester .22 magnum bowets from which I will randomly choose one round out of the box that he can use for the event and the rest he can use to sight in his super duper pooper shooter.

Forth I get full body armor, with a 1" opening around the big toe since he is likely to hit me in the head or some other part of my body, because, well he smoked one to many buffalo chips.

Fifth he has to shoot before or no later than one footstep past the 25 yard mark, not before 3 steps off the 35 yard mark which will be my starting point.

Until he gets cash, assets, pensions, trusts, I dont really give a shit what form as long as it has value, into a ILC, to ante up, and emails me a copy of the paperwork, I am not doing a damn thing further because he cant make the shot anyway and this is all nothing more than trolling. this is all about felches vivid imagination.





and to add to that, what should be the penalty if he welches out?

500 bucks to everyone who called him on his bullshit previous to this post?

No way in hel is he going to follow through with it. Not when the funds are held by the bank and he has no choice but to go totally broke as I jam his words down his throat.




but you are 100% correct it aint never gonna happen because he is all beer farts and belches.

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thompsonx -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/5/2016 9:27:08 PM)


ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

Not a fucking chance.

Please do not equivocate...tell me how you really feel.





thompsonx -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/5/2016 9:32:12 PM)

ORIGINAL: lovmuffin
ORIGINAL: thompsonx


Me ?? Loudmouth ?? No Tommy, I think it's pretty clear who the loudmouth is. And Im only arguing one thing. Shooting to wound is a stupid idea.

Oh, and what epiphiny said.

Actually you have spent a fair amount of bandwidth trying to justify what a poor shot you are.




thompsonx -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/5/2016 9:34:12 PM)


ORIGINAL: Real0ne

"Anytime baby"[;)]




lovmuffin -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/5/2016 9:51:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

ORIGINAL: lovmuffin
ORIGINAL: thompsonx


Me ?? Loudmouth ?? No Tommy, I think it's pretty clear who the loudmouth is. And Im only arguing one thing. Shooting to wound is a stupid idea.

Oh, and what epiphiny said.

Actually you have spent a fair amount of bandwidth trying to justify what a poor shot you are.



You have spent even more bandwidth trying to defend a position that you can't possibly validate and ballyhooing about a demonstration that's never going to take place. Shooting to wound is a stupid idea. Ya got another straw man Annie Oakley ?




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