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lovmuffin -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/6/2016 7:00:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: lovmuffin ORIGINAL: thompsonx He won't give up. He keeps on digging and his arguments and strawmans keep getting even more and more absurd. The only arguement I have made and proved is that it is not a difficult shot for anyone with reasonable skill with a pistol. ie: bullseye on a 25 yard pistol target is about the size of a big toe. A runner plants his foot 3 times a second and the foot is stationary for about .300 of a second when planted. Travel time of the bullet is about .025 seconds. Plenty of time for a double tap each time you plant your foot. You on the other hand keep repeating your copsucker mantra about com. I have never said that com was not an easier shot especially for those with no talent or those who wish to reduce the number of witnesses. He thinks if he gets the last word in he can crawl up out of that hole he's dug. I'm not going to let him. Normally I wouldn't go more than a few rounds with him. Kewel, I see you are into public humiliation so I will continue to oblige. And the only argument I have made and others here have made back at you is even if you could hit a moving toe size target at 25 yards, (which you can't let alone double tapping it LMAO), the way overwhelming majority of experts say shooting to wound is a bad idea. What you described above is saying you are capable of hitting a one inch size moving target at 25 yards 6 times in less than a second. That's so far out in the universe that you couldn't even see earth with the Hubble telescope. And you say I'm into public humiliation ?? What else are ya going to brag about today ?

Lucylastic -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/6/2016 7:04:34 AM)
I believe this is the first time Ive posted on this thread.. Congrats guys, all your dick waving and chest thumping has been better than watching donald trump bloviate about his plans for his take over. Really its been amazing... 22 pages of testosterone fueled squealing. Im proud of you all:)

thompsonx -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/6/2016 7:11:26 AM)
ORIGINAL: Lucylastic I believe this is the first time Ive posted on this thread.. Congrats guys, all your dick waving You must admit that when I wave mine it brings a smile to your face.[:D] Although I must admit that I have yet to decipher if it is a smile of admiration or condescension

thompsonx -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/6/2016 7:18:12 AM)
ORIGINAL: lovmuffin ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: lovmuffin ORIGINAL: thompsonx He won't give up. He keeps on digging and his arguments and strawmans keep getting even more and more absurd. The only arguement I have made and proved is that it is not a difficult shot for anyone with reasonable skill with a pistol. ie: bullseye on a 25 yard pistol target is about the size of a big toe. A runner plants his foot 3 times a second and the foot is stationary for about .300 of a second when planted. Travel time of the bullet is about .025 seconds. Plenty of time for a double tap each time you plant your foot. You on the other hand keep repeating your copsucker mantra about com. I have never said that com was not an easier shot especially for those with no talent or those who wish to reduce the number of witnesses. He thinks if he gets the last word in he can crawl up out of that hole he's dug. I'm not going to let him. Normally I wouldn't go more than a few rounds with him. Kewel, I see you are into public humiliation so I will continue to oblige. And the only argument I have made and others here have made back at you is even if you could hit a moving toe size target at 25 yards, (which you can't let alone double tapping it LMAO), the way overwhelming majority of experts say shooting to wound is a bad idea. Those "experts" consist of you and other copsuckers. What you described above is saying you are capable of hitting a one inch size moving target at 25 yards 6 times in less than a second. That would be your infantile interpretation. What I said is that each time you plant your foot it is a stationary target for about a third of a second. That since the bullet traverses 25 yards in about .025 seconds a double tap is well within the parameters of the time your foot is stationary. Not quite the same thing now is it?

thompsonx -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/6/2016 7:20:55 AM)
ORIGINAL: lovmuffin Still waiting for your proof that it is illegal in florida to shoot to wound. So far all we are getting is chin music and more chin music.

Cinnamongirl67 -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/6/2016 7:28:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Someone (they oppose the use of firearms for self defense) in another thread argues that if self defense allows you to shoot and kill someone it allows you to (when unarmed) to continue beating a helpless attacker until the are dead. Does anyone else see hypocrisy in this. If the attacker is rendered helpless, the victim is aware, then the victim becomes the attacker. Matter of circumstance and situation. The average victim just wants to escape terror and flee.

lovmuffin -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/6/2016 7:38:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: lovmuffin ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: lovmuffin ORIGINAL: thompsonx He won't give up. He keeps on digging and his arguments and strawmans keep getting even more and more absurd. The only arguement I have made and proved is that it is not a difficult shot for anyone with reasonable skill with a pistol. ie: bullseye on a 25 yard pistol target is about the size of a big toe. A runner plants his foot 3 times a second and the foot is stationary for about .300 of a second when planted. Travel time of the bullet is about .025 seconds. Plenty of time for a double tap each time you plant your foot. You on the other hand keep repeating your copsucker mantra about com. I have never said that com was not an easier shot especially for those with no talent or those who wish to reduce the number of witnesses. He thinks if he gets the last word in he can crawl up out of that hole he's dug. I'm not going to let him. Normally I wouldn't go more than a few rounds with him. Kewel, I see you are into public humiliation so I will continue to oblige. And the only argument I have made and others here have made back at you is even if you could hit a moving toe size target at 25 yards, (which you can't let alone double tapping it LMAO), the way overwhelming majority of experts say shooting to wound is a bad idea. Those "experts" consist of you and other copsuckers. What you described above is saying you are capable of hitting a one inch size moving target at 25 yards 6 times in less than a second. That would be your infantile interpretation. What I said is that each time you plant your foot it is a stationary target for about a third of a second. That since the bullet traverses 25 yards in about .025 seconds a double tap is well within the parameters of the time your foot is stationary. Not quite the same thing now is it? And yet once again if you Google "shooting to wound is stupid" you'll find plenty of references from ohers who are not cops. But go ahead and keep repeating the same crap. Plenty of time for a double tap in a third of a second and ya can't double tap it two more times ?? I guess your not a super duper bad ass, you're only a super one. I'll have my lawyer call your lawyer so he can splain it to ya. Is he an adult ?

thompsonx -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/6/2016 9:45:32 AM)
More chin music

lovmuffin -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/6/2016 10:10:42 AM)
What does that even mean ? Still, shooting to wound is a stupid idea and you are full of crap. My lawyer, your lawyer, plenty of time for a double tap blah blah blah..........

thompsonx -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/6/2016 10:34:39 AM)
ORIGINAL: lovmuffin More chin music

BamaD -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/6/2016 10:45:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: lovmuffin ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: lovmuffin ORIGINAL: thompsonx He won't give up. He keeps on digging and his arguments and strawmans keep getting even more and more absurd. The only arguement I have made and proved is that it is not a difficult shot for anyone with reasonable skill with a pistol. ie: bullseye on a 25 yard pistol target is about the size of a big toe. A runner plants his foot 3 times a second and the foot is stationary for about .300 of a second when planted. Travel time of the bullet is about .025 seconds. Plenty of time for a double tap each time you plant your foot. You on the other hand keep repeating your copsucker mantra about com. I have never said that com was not an easier shot especially for those with no talent or those who wish to reduce the number of witnesses. He thinks if he gets the last word in he can crawl up out of that hole he's dug. I'm not going to let him. Normally I wouldn't go more than a few rounds with him. Kewel, I see you are into public humiliation so I will continue to oblige. And the only argument I have made and others here have made back at you is even if you could hit a moving toe size target at 25 yards, (which you can't let alone double tapping it LMAO), the way overwhelming majority of experts say shooting to wound is a bad idea. Those "experts" consist of you and other copsuckers. What you described above is saying you are capable of hitting a one inch size moving target at 25 yards 6 times in less than a second. That would be your infantile interpretation. What I said is that each time you plant your foot it is a stationary target for about a third of a second. That since the bullet traverses 25 yards in about .025 seconds a double tap is well within the parameters of the time your foot is stationary. Not quite the same thing now is it? And yet once again if you Google "shooting to wound is stupid" you'll find plenty of references from ohers who are not cops. But go ahead and keep repeating the same crap. Plenty of time for a double tap in a third of a second and ya can't double tap it two more times ?? I guess your not a super duper bad ass, you're only a super one. I'll have my lawyer call your lawyer so he can splain it to ya. Is he an adult ? You missed one. The foot remains, according to him, stationary for .3 seconds. The fastest autoloaders cycle in .33 seconds, it takes .3 of a second for the human mind to process the exact location. This means that just as you have the correct location to fire the foot starts moving again. And that a 2nd shot is out of the question.

mnottertail -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/6/2016 10:59:02 AM)
if he hits anything the first time, you will start to stationary up thereafter, so the beats between will be longer.

BamaD -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/6/2016 11:17:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail if he hits anything the first time, you will start to stationary up thereafter, so the beats between will be longer. Except of course that you will be aiming at a spot where his foot has just moved from. And while you are trying to hit my foot you will be dead. Any self defense expert, police, military, or civilian will tell you that.

Real0ne -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/6/2016 11:24:28 AM)
STOP! Dont fucking ruin it for me! shut up! I am waiting for him to show me he put his money where his feltch trap is, this is like super easy money here! so stfu and dont ruin it for me!

BamaD -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/6/2016 11:34:53 AM)
FR The sites I found using information from lawyers stated that while shooting to wound is not illegal per se, it does you no good legally. A warning shot, in those places it isn't considered reckless endagerment, and a wound is usually considered to just be a bad shot. A wounded attacker gets to tell his side of the story (and you can be sure he won't say yep he was just minding his own business and had to shoot me when I tried to mug him) a dead one doesn't. Shooting to wound or to warn also, in court, lends credence to the idea that you didn't have fear for your life.

mnottertail -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/6/2016 11:46:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail if he hits anything the first time, you will start to stationary up thereafter, so the beats between will be longer. Except of course that you will be aiming at a spot where his foot has just moved from. And while you are trying to hit my foot you will be dead. Any self defense expert, police, military, or civilian will tell you that. Well, that dont mean a thing, that is as fantastic as anything you are saying, as I stated an attacker is not a gunman a gunman is a gunman. If you are attacking and running at me you aint got a gun. So, the original thing was, you dont have a gun you are running at him, and he has a gun. Anyone will tell you that, sorry, seems you just died. If only you would have read more in your youth.

BamaD -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/6/2016 11:54:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail if he hits anything the first time, you will start to stationary up thereafter, so the beats between will be longer. Except of course that you will be aiming at a spot where his foot has just moved from. And while you are trying to hit my foot you will be dead. Any self defense expert, police, military, or civilian will tell you that. Well, that dont mean a thing, that is as fantastic as anything you are saying, as I stated an attacker is not a gunman a gunman is a gunman. If you are attacking and running at me you aint got a gun. So, the original thing was, you dont have a gun you are running at him, and he has a gun. Anyone will tell you that, sorry, seems you just died. If only you would have read more in your youth. If I am your attacker without a gun. I would slit your throat before you could, by your rules, justify taking action. Good thing I avoid violence. By the way, does that mean that you carry two guns, one for each of me.

mnottertail -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/6/2016 11:59:11 AM)
you would have a very poor time of it. I have a gun, you are running at me from 25 feet away with a knife. I have to shoot you in the foot. LOLOLOL. Yeah. No. No wonder you guys need these 30 and 50 round extended clips to shoot a burglar in your home. If you are as rich as Bill Gates your bedroom is maybe 16' across. 25 feet is twice the size of the average bedroom.

thompsonx -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/6/2016 12:01:46 PM)
ORIGINAL: BamaD The fastest autoloaders cycle in .33 seconds, it takes .3 of a second for the human mind to process the exact location. This means that just as you have the correct location to fire the foot starts moving again. And that a 2nd shot is out of the question. Go back to school sonny...you are not even in the same zip code as the ball park.

BamaD -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/6/2016 12:08:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail if he hits anything the first time, you will start to stationary up thereafter, so the beats between will be longer. Except of course that you will be aiming at a spot where his foot has just moved from. And while you are trying to hit my foot you will be dead. Any self defense expert, police, military, or civilian will tell you that. Well, that dont mean a thing, that is as fantastic as anything you are saying, as I stated an attacker is not a gunman a gunman is a gunman. If you are attacking and running at me you aint got a gun. So, the original thing was, you dont have a gun you are running at him, and he has a gun. Anyone will tell you that, sorry, seems you just died. If only you would have read more in your youth. I never said I would be charging, I said I would shoot him in the chest, he would try to shoot me in the foot. Worst case would be I have a .22 loged in my work boot, he would have a .45 that just missed his left shirt pocket. He is dead, I may need new boots.

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