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thompsonx -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/6/2016 1:29:37 PM)
ORIGINAL: BamaD The sites I found using information from lawyers stated that while shooting to wound is not illegal per se, Thank you for finally acknowledging that I was right that there is no law that prohibits shooting to disable. it does you no good legally. A warning shot, in those places it isn't considered reckless endagerment, and a wound is usually considered to just be a bad shot. A wounded attacker gets to tell his side of the story (and you can be sure he won't say yep he was just minding his own business and had to shoot me when I tried to mug him) a dead one doesn't. Once again thank you for admitting that one of the reasons you would shoot for com is to eliminate any witnesss. Shooting to wound or to warn also, in court, lends credence to the idea that you didn't have fear for your life. Really????how so???

ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/6/2016 1:30:26 PM)
I guess the jokes about compensating are true after all.

lovmuffin -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/6/2016 1:32:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance This is one of those times when I'm tempted to go back and read the entire thread, to try and figure out what the hell the basis of reasoning is behind the whole discussion on shooting feet stems from. Somewhere in the middle of the thread or so, someone said something about shooting at the center of mass in a self defense situation. Braggart and Blowhard John Wayne Thompson says he would be more humane and shoot the foot. When challenged that his silly notion was not only foolish but also a difficult shot to make at a moving target, he doubled down saying he could specify which toe. Someone further muddied the water by challenging John Wayne here to a bet and then demonstrate his remarkable talent. This demonstration thing further evolved into talk of putting money in escrow,my lawyer your lawyer ect blah blah blah. As for myself, I'm pretty much not entertaining the bet/demonstration thing as it's a whole lot of crap talk and is never going to happen. But what I'm saying and everyone else here is saying,is that all practical shooting experts agree that shooting to wound is a bad idea. If you want a better idea, Google "shooting to wound is stupid". A whole lot of these last few pages is me poking fun at Thompson the bold typing internet bully using his own words. If ya want to see what I mean by that just go look at most of everything else he posts on any other thread on the P&R forum.

thompsonx -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/6/2016 1:33:11 PM)
ORIGINAL: BamaD .22's are different usually light, small, and with little penetration. Is that why the cia and other assasins prefer them? Is that why garry powers carried one? In fact his is quite similar to mine minus the silencer. Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

WinsomeDefiance -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/6/2016 1:33:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD I also have no desire to kill another human being, or to harm them for that matter. Be willing is not the same as wanting to. BTW a rifle is the last choice for home defense. Hard to use in a hallway or any relativly confined space and two much penetration. .22's are different usually light, small, and with little penetration. My rifle is a small .22 single shot, bolt action. Barely little more than a handgun with a long stock and barrel, lol. While I like to shoot at targets, I don't hold any expectations of defending my home with it. Given that my flight response is WAY stronger than my fight response, I just keep my insurance paid and let them reimburse me for anything stolen - meanwhile my flight happy ass is probably out the window and hiding at the neighbors.

thompsonx -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/6/2016 1:34:37 PM)
ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick I guess the jokes about compensating are true after all. For a "dizzy chick" not much gets by you.[;)]

thompsonx -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/6/2016 1:37:58 PM)
ORIGINAL: lovmuffin A whole lot of these last few pages is me poking fun at Thompson the bold typing internet bully. You seem to think that internet bully is someone who takes you to task over the stupid remarks you post. Such as your claim that it is illegal in fla to shoot to disable

lovmuffin -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/6/2016 1:50:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: lovmuffin A whole lot of these last few pages is me poking fun at Thompson the bold typing internet bully. You seem to think that internet bully is someone who takes you to task over the stupid remarks you post. Such as your claim that it is illegal in fla to shoot to disable No, it's your blustering snarky bold type posting style constantly insulting others and saying stuff like "Jesus you are phoquing stupid."

WinsomeDefiance -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/6/2016 1:56:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin Somewhere in the middle of the thread or so, someone said something about shooting at the center of mass in a self defense situation. Braggart and Blowhard John Wayne Thompson says he would be more humane and shoot the foot. When challenged that his silly notion was not only foolish but also a difficult shot to make at a moving target, he doubled down saying he could specify which toe. Someone further muddied the water by challenging John Wayne here to a bet and then demonstrate his remarkable talent. This demonstration thing further evolved into talk of putting money in escrow,my lawyer your lawyer ect blah blah blah. As for myself, I'm pretty much not entertaining the bet/demonstration thing as it's a whole lot of crap talk and is never going to happen. But what I'm saying and everyone else here is saying,is that all practical shooting experts agree that shooting to wound is a bad idea. If you want a better idea, Google "shooting to wound is stupid". A whole lot of these last few pages is me poking fun at Thompson the bold typing internet bully. If ya want to see what I mean by that just go look at most of everything else he posts on any other thread on the P&R forum. I have to admit, shooting at a moving target's foot requires way more skill than I would want to rely on for self defense. I've shot a running squirrel, but I'm chalking that up to chance, more so than skill. Yes. I'm from Louisiana. Squirrel was on the menu.

lovmuffin -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/6/2016 2:01:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: BamaD Shooting to wound or to warn also, in court, lends credence to the idea that you didn't have fear for your life. Really????how so??? If ya didn't play 20 snarky questions all the time, maybe he would address your concern. If you would like to disabuse yourself of your ignorance, the answer to this question is easy to find. Just Google "shooting to wound is stupid". It's in there.

thompsonx -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/6/2016 2:04:01 PM)
ORIGINAL: lovmuffin No, it's your blustering snarky bold type posting style constantly insulting others and saying stuff like "Jesus you are phoquing stupid." When you post unbelievably stupid statements like "it is illegal to shoot to disable in the state of florida" what else can anyone say besides ... Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

BamaD -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/6/2016 2:04:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD I also have no desire to kill another human being, or to harm them for that matter. Be willing is not the same as wanting to. BTW a rifle is the last choice for home defense. Hard to use in a hallway or any relativly confined space and two much penetration. .22's are different usually light, small, and with little penetration. My rifle is a small .22 single shot, bolt action. Barely little more than a handgun with a long stock and barrel, lol. While I like to shoot at targets, I don't hold any expectations of defending my home with it. Given that my flight response is WAY stronger than my fight response, I just keep my insurance paid and let them reimburse me for anything stolen - meanwhile my flight happy ass is probably out the window and hiding at the neighbors. That is your choice.

PeonForHer -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/6/2016 2:05:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance I've always been taught that if you aim a gun at a living target, you shoot to kill. Which is why I don't have my rifles for home defense, and they are locked with the ammo locked away separately. I've no desire to ever kill a living human being. Kay has a different philosophy. I told her I thought someone was in the basement and she asked, "Should I load the rifle?" WD, take care. Once snared in this thread, you will never, ever leave.

lovmuffin -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/6/2016 2:06:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin Somewhere in the middle of the thread or so, someone said something about shooting at the center of mass in a self defense situation. Braggart and Blowhard John Wayne Thompson says he would be more humane and shoot the foot. When challenged that his silly notion was not only foolish but also a difficult shot to make at a moving target, he doubled down saying he could specify which toe. Someone further muddied the water by challenging John Wayne here to a bet and then demonstrate his remarkable talent. This demonstration thing further evolved into talk of putting money in escrow,my lawyer your lawyer ect blah blah blah. As for myself, I'm pretty much not entertaining the bet/demonstration thing as it's a whole lot of crap talk and is never going to happen. But what I'm saying and everyone else here is saying,is that all practical shooting experts agree that shooting to wound is a bad idea. If you want a better idea, Google "shooting to wound is stupid". A whole lot of these last few pages is me poking fun at Thompson the bold typing internet bully. If ya want to see what I mean by that just go look at most of everything else he posts on any other thread on the P&R forum. I have to admit, shooting at a moving target's foot requires way more skill than I would want to rely on for self defense. I've shot a running squirrel, but I'm chalking that up to chance, more so than skill. Yes. I'm from Louisiana. Squirrel was on the menu. Squirrel is on the menu in the Northeast too. I don't hear so much about squirrel hunting here in Florida.

BamaD -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/6/2016 2:07:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: BamaD The sites I found using information from lawyers stated that while shooting to wound is not illegal per se, Thank you for finally acknowledging that I was right that there is no law that prohibits shooting to disable. it does you no good legally. A warning shot, in those places it isn't considered reckless endagerment, and a wound is usually considered to just be a bad shot. A wounded attacker gets to tell his side of the story (and you can be sure he won't say yep he was just minding his own business and had to shoot me when I tried to mug him) a dead one doesn't. Once again thank you for admitting that one of the reasons you would shoot for com is to eliminate any witnesss. Shooting to wound or to warn also, in court, lends credence to the idea that you didn't have fear for your life. Really????how so??? A I didn't say that, no matter what you want to think. I was stating the facts as observed my numerous lawyers. B If you are shooting at the foot you must not consider them that much of a threat.

WinsomeDefiance -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/6/2016 2:13:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD I also have no desire to kill another human being, or to harm them for that matter. Be willing is not the same as wanting to. BTW a rifle is the last choice for home defense. Hard to use in a hallway or any relativly confined space and two much penetration. .22's are different usually light, small, and with little penetration. My rifle is a small .22 single shot, bolt action. Barely little more than a handgun with a long stock and barrel, lol. While I like to shoot at targets, I don't hold any expectations of defending my home with it. Given that my flight response is WAY stronger than my fight response, I just keep my insurance paid and let them reimburse me for anything stolen - meanwhile my flight happy ass is probably out the window and hiding at the neighbors. That is your choice. I like having the choice. Meanwhile, I live in a nice area with very little crime to minimize the chances of needing to make such decisions. Statistically, the average age of most home invaders is 14-16. I don't think I could live with myself if I shot a child. I do have intentions of having an instructor at the gun range train me on a handgun. More so, because I'm irrationally afraid of them, and like to face my fears. Plus, I just like doing different things. Like training with a staff and hitting the hell outa things, learning what plants are edible and what are poisonous. Yes, I forage. Not out of necessity but because I like knowing I CAN. Meh, I'm over sharing. I blame it on the crappy weather and cabin fever.

lovmuffin -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/6/2016 2:25:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: lovmuffin No, it's your blustering snarky bold type posting style constantly insulting others and saying stuff like "Jesus you are phoquing stupid." When you post unbelievably stupid statements like "it is illegal to shoot to disable in the state of florida" what else can anyone say besides ... Jesus you are phoquing stupid. I did say that it wasn't lawful to shoot to wound in Florida. One source of information for that was a conversation with a police officer. As it's been awhile I'm trying to remember if that part of the conversation was about a point of law or a horrendously bad idea as it could severely diminish your claim of self defense. After you and I both tried to find it I stated at that point I wasn't so sure and I needed to confirm it. I'm not at all concerned with your blustering demand that I come up with proof. My life doesn't revolve around proofing every little trivial thing you demand answers for. Though if you Google "shooting to wound is stupid" you'll find that it's a horrendously bad idea as it could severely diminish your claim of self defense among other reasons it's a bad idea that apply to tactics.

BamaD -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/6/2016 2:27:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD I also have no desire to kill another human being, or to harm them for that matter. Be willing is not the same as wanting to. BTW a rifle is the last choice for home defense. Hard to use in a hallway or any relativly confined space and two much penetration. .22's are different usually light, small, and with little penetration. My rifle is a small .22 single shot, bolt action. Barely little more than a handgun with a long stock and barrel, lol. While I like to shoot at targets, I don't hold any expectations of defending my home with it. Given that my flight response is WAY stronger than my fight response, I just keep my insurance paid and let them reimburse me for anything stolen - meanwhile my flight happy ass is probably out the window and hiding at the neighbors. That is your choice. I like having the choice. Meanwhile, I live in a nice area with very little crime to minimize the chances of needing to make such decisions. Statistically, the average age of most home invaders is 14-16. I don't think I could live with myself if I shot a child. I do have intentions of having an instructor at the gun range train me on a handgun. More so, because I'm irrationally afraid of them, and like to face my fears. Plus, I just like doing different things. Like training with a staff and hitting the hell outa things, learning what plants are edible and what are poisonous. Yes, I forage. Not out of necessity but because I like knowing I CAN. Meh, I'm over sharing. I blame it on the crappy weather and cabin fever. Good thinking, if you are going to get a handgun you should get training with it by someone who knows what they are doing. Training with a handgun can be like taking martial arts. Even if you have no intention of using it in a serious situation the self assurance and self control that are a part of good training can help you in other areas.

thompsonx -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/6/2016 2:31:42 PM)
ORIGINAL: lovmuffin No, it's your blustering snarky bold type posting style Posting in bold or perhaps posting in some other color besides black seems to offend you? Why? Does the color or depth of print intimidate you? Does it change the meaning of the words posted?

lovmuffin -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/6/2016 2:35:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD I also have no desire to kill another human being, or to harm them for that matter. Be willing is not the same as wanting to. BTW a rifle is the last choice for home defense. Hard to use in a hallway or any relativly confined space and two much penetration. .22's are different usually light, small, and with little penetration. My rifle is a small .22 single shot, bolt action. Barely little more than a handgun with a long stock and barrel, lol. While I like to shoot at targets, I don't hold any expectations of defending my home with it. Given that my flight response is WAY stronger than my fight response, I just keep my insurance paid and let them reimburse me for anything stolen - meanwhile my flight happy ass is probably out the window and hiding at the neighbors. That is your choice. I like having the choice. Meanwhile, I live in a nice area with very little crime to minimize the chances of needing to make such decisions. Statistically, the average age of most home invaders is 14-16. I don't think I could live with myself if I shot a child. I do have intentions of having an instructor at the gun range train me on a handgun. More so, because I'm irrationally afraid of them, and like to face my fears. Plus, I just like doing different things. Like training with a staff and hitting the hell outa things, learning what plants are edible and what are poisonous. Yes, I forage. Not out of necessity but because I like knowing I CAN. Meh, I'm over sharing. I blame it on the crappy weather and cabin fever. Not over sharring at all. Knowing how to use a handgun is a good idea. Owning one is even better. Knowing how to forage is also good.

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