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thompsonx -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/20/2016 7:36:11 AM)
ORIGINAL: LadyPact ORIGINAL: thompsonx No you do not. Your profile says you live in the u.k. I live in amerika. In amerika the cops are not required to protect me unless I am in jail. I do not need protection. I do not live in a dangrous environment. I do not believe in the boogyman. So, I'm asked to 'wound' someone after three years of stalking me rather than go for the kill shot? I never suggested such...I have only spoken about my own choices. Now if I were in your position I would shoot the punk in the foot to get his attention. I would then chain him up in my dungeon and make him my bitch for the rest of his life, yes I would make sure he lived a long, long time...but then I am an evil vindictive asshole and you are not. If you honestly believe certain members of these forums don't need a weapon, I have never said that. I have always been a proponent of personal possession of firearms for those who wish. I've got a really nice pair of size eight pumps you can walk around in for a while. Ouch....I wear 11 1/2 d clodhoppers[;)]

thompsonx -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/20/2016 7:41:50 AM)
ORIGINAL: lovmuffin I think ya won her over with that one. How could she possibly resist ? [8D] Ya' know I am beginning to think she really does fancy me.

kdsub -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/20/2016 8:11:49 AM)
quote: So, I'm asked to 'wound' someone after three years of stalking me rather than go for the kill shot? It depends on the circumstance LadyPact... If fighting for your life then by all means shoot to kill... But... if circumstances allow it will be very difficult to stalk you in the future without kneecaps. You are a good woman and human being... killing someone could weigh heavily of your conscience... you don't need him stalking your mind for the rest of your life. Butch

BamaD -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/20/2016 8:42:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: So, I'm asked to 'wound' someone after three years of stalking me rather than go for the kill shot? It depends on the circumstance LadyPact... If fighting for your life then by all means shoot to kill... But... if circumstances allow it will be very difficult to stalk you in the future without kneecaps. You are a good woman and human being... killing someone could weigh heavily of your conscience... you don't need him stalking your mind for the rest of your life. Butch If you aren't fighting for your life (or serious injury which is pretty much the same because once you are seriouly injured it is up to them if you live or die) you shouldn't be shooting in the first place.

thompsonx -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/20/2016 8:43:53 AM)
ORIGINAL: BamaD If you aren't fighting for your life (or serious injury which is pretty much the same because once you are seriouly injured it is up to them if you live or die) you shouldn't be shooting in the first place. Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

lovmuffin -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/20/2016 8:48:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: lovmuffin I think ya won her over with that one. How could she possibly resist ? [8D] Ya' know I am beginning to think she really does fancy me. Hmmmmm........I wonder what's making me think I highly doubt that.

lovmuffin -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/20/2016 8:51:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: BamaD If you aren't fighting for your life (or serious injury which is pretty much the same because once you are seriouly injured it is up to them if you live or die) you shouldn't be shooting in the first place. Jesus you are phoquing stupid. Maybe just this once you could splain exactly why that is stupid.

BamaD -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/20/2016 8:53:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: BamaD If you aren't fighting for your life (or serious injury which is pretty much the same because once you are seriouly injured it is up to them if you live or die) you shouldn't be shooting in the first place. Jesus you are phoquing stupid. Maybe just this once you could splain exactly why that is stupid. Because I said it, and he thinks that somehow his opinion matters to me.

lovmuffin -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/20/2016 8:54:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BondageersT quite simple ...lovem he and maybe you are just...male.(bitches) ha ha xx Me maybe but Thompson is a real live bad ass. xx

kdsub -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/20/2016 9:02:06 AM)
Yea right this from the guy that told me he had a right to shoot to kill after giving a warning to stop... remember the conversation about the man with dementia that was banging on the door? Will if you have time to give a warning you have time to decide where to shoot... don't you think? Don't get me wrong... you and the person in the article SHOULD have done what you said... not shot... and retreated... but you seem to want it both ways just to argue. Butch

BamaD -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/20/2016 9:12:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Yea right this from the guy that told me he had a right to shoot to kill after giving a warning to stop... remember the conversation about the man with dementia that was banging on the door? Will if you have time to give a warning you have time to decide where to shoot... don't you think? Don't get me wrong... you and the person in the article SHOULD have done what you said... not shot... and retreated... but you seem to want it both ways just to argue. Butch Come on now, at 3am a person with a metal cylinder keeps coming after you warn them repeatedly you have every reason to believe that he isn't there from Publishers Clearinghouse, that he does, in fact mean to take you apart.

BamaD -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/20/2016 9:16:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Yea right this from the guy that told me he had a right to shoot to kill after giving a warning to stop... remember the conversation about the man with dementia that was banging on the door? Will if you have time to give a warning you have time to decide where to shoot... don't you think? Don't get me wrong... you and the person in the article SHOULD have done what you said... not shot... and retreated... but you seem to want it both ways just to argue. Butch And that didn't happen through the door in was in the yard when the guy went out to make sure he had gone. If you remember I said what the guy did was legal, but that I would have handled it differently. Keep in mind that I was in agreement with the Sheriff, the district attorny, and even the guys wife said it was a legal shoot although she wished it had been handled different. Why are you bringing up a bogus case from at least 2 years ago. BTW I said nothing about retreating. In the case you are rehashing I wouldn't have been in that situation so shoot or not would never have come up.

kdsub -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/20/2016 9:29:52 AM)
I like how you dance.

BondageersT -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/20/2016 9:35:05 AM)
maybe you agree with me this subject has run its course, xx

BamaD -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/20/2016 1:21:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Yea right this from the guy that told me he had a right to shoot to kill after giving a warning to stop... remember the conversation about the man with dementia that was banging on the door? Will if you have time to give a warning you have time to decide where to shoot... don't you think? Don't get me wrong... you and the person in the article SHOULD have done what you said... not shot... and retreated... but you seem to want it both ways just to argue. Butch And that didn't happen through the door in was in the yard when the guy went out to make sure he had gone. If you remember I said what the guy did was legal, but that I would have handled it differently. Keep in mind that I was in agreement with the Sheriff, the district attorny, and even the guys wife said it was a legal shoot although she wished it had been handled different. Why are you bringing up a bogus case from at least 2 years ago. BTW I said nothing about retreating. In the case you are rehashing I wouldn't have been in that situation so shoot or not would never have come up. By the time he stopped warning he was out of time to shoot his toe off.

BamaD -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/20/2016 1:22:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BondageersT maybe you agree with me this subject has run its course, xx Isn't that what I told him? If yourtalking about the thread, that ran it's course 2 years ago.

Nnanji -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/20/2016 3:24:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Yea right this from the guy that told me he had a right to shoot to kill after giving a warning to stop... remember the conversation about the man with dementia that was banging on the door? Will if you have time to give a warning you have time to decide where to shoot... don't you think? Don't get me wrong... you and the person in the article SHOULD have done what you said... not shot... and retreated... but you seem to want it both ways just to argue. Butch In a shooting over a situation such as this, in order to stay out of jail the shooter has to show that the shootie escalated the situation and he/she feared for their life. So a warning like, "you are scaring me, you must stop now and leave my property." Is reasonable. The bad guy then has the choice yo escalate or de-escalate.

LadyPact -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/20/2016 3:47:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub It depends on the circumstance LadyPact... If fighting for your life then by all means shoot to kill... But... if circumstances allow it will be very difficult to stalk you in the future without kneecaps. You are a good woman and human being... killing someone could weigh heavily of your conscience... you don't need him stalking your mind for the rest of your life. Butch Butch, This is my life. I don't know. I read this thread and while some folks debate the value of target practice, it's not the same thing. That "target" doesn't follow you around to three different states. While people are bitching about how they could shoot a quarter at 25 paces or anything else, it's not about marksmanship. It's about peace.

BamaD -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/20/2016 4:17:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub It depends on the circumstance LadyPact... If fighting for your life then by all means shoot to kill... But... if circumstances allow it will be very difficult to stalk you in the future without kneecaps. You are a good woman and human being... killing someone could weigh heavily of your conscience... you don't need him stalking your mind for the rest of your life. Butch Butch, This is my life. I don't know. I read this thread and while some folks debate the value of target practice, it's not the same thing. That "target" doesn't follow you around to three different states. While people are bitching about how they could shoot a quarter at 25 paces or anything else, it's not about marksmanship. It's about peace. I was asked about my best shooting result. I am sorry if that seemed to be bragging, I was just answering a question. I agree however that no matter how good you are on the range what matters is how good you are when someone is out to kill you. Not even close to the same thing. The range makes you more comfortable with your weapon but the situation is totally different and requires different traits, most importantly being able to focus in a stressful situation. What matters, and I believe this is your point, is do you or the other person walk away. Like you, I intend for it to be me.

epiphiny43 -> RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to death"? (4/20/2016 4:40:46 PM)
For those who have more reason than just Fox News paranoia to consider how they might plan for or act in a survival situation (Or one perceived to be), it's essential for your future welfare to be fully aware of the Current laws on the matter in Your state. This has dramatically changed recently in a number of states with 'Castle' and other reinterpretations of reasonable force. Texas used to be you couldn't use deadly force even within your home, if there was an accessible escape route. Now, several states are permitting deadly force Anywhere, if you have 'reasonable fear of attack'. Which it's hard to see surviving any but the most ridiculous SCOTUS appointments given the increasing number of gross abuses of the laws. Staying alive but facing just years of legal trouble when you might have earlier (with considerable effort) avoided a confrontation is not a great outcome. Other places you may have wide options for self-defense, but need to consider internal peace of mind as an essential of any desireable outcome. Money counts, those who can afford quality legal representation do much better in the US, even if the case makes the headlines.

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