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joether -> RE: Oops. Voter ID advocate Asa Hutchinson forgets Voter ID at polls (5/30/2014 8:52:15 AM)
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ORIGINAL: thishereboi
Wrong, I have to show it every time I vote and the one time I forgot it, they sent me out to my car before they let me vote. And it honestly wasn't a big deal. I am betting even a democrat could have done it.
Why should one have to show their ID in the first place? That is the point here. The evidence for voter fraud is worst than the evidence that George W. Bush was a super genius. It doesn't happen anywhere near the frequency requiring Photo IDs to be presented, that conservatives and libertarians claim. An its ironic. That the very people usually against regulations due to a heavy amount of evidence presented, are for regulations when no realistic evidence is displayed.
I've voted in every election. Not once did anyone challenge: A ) Who I am, B ) Where I live, or C ) A combination of both. That is because the penalty for voter fraud is so severe the profit is simply not worth the pain.
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ORIGINAL: thishereboi
And you still haven't explained why it's harder for a democrat to get an id than a republican. Are you suggesting they are not as bright as those on the right? If they are disallowing some id's then they are disallowing them for both sides. So why is it harder for the left again?
1 ) I live near Boston, MA. Boston is home to some 146 universities and colleges. That implies...ALOT...of college students. There as exists a fair number of taverns, bars, pubs, and other assorted outlets for drinking alcoholic beverages (including Fenway, 'The Garden', and Foxboro). An young people as its been shown, like to drink underage. So there exists a market for Fake IDs that can be damn close to the actual, genuine article. The bartenders usually obtain additional training to spot these fakes; because if they don't, they lose their license (and they are tested fairly regularly). How much training does the average poll station worker have in spotting these fake IDs? Your going to have us believe its like those bartenders in Boston, MA, right? Good luck in making that argument...
2 ) Its not that Democrats have a harder time then others in obtaining Photo IDs; its the people that vote Democrat may not usually have a photo ID for any number of reasons. The largest populations are the elderly, the poor, and college students. The elderly have problems in obtaining such photo ID in the first place, since they were born in a time before it was common practice to give out birth certificates. It is not an impossible hurdle to overcome, but its enough that most would skip the process and not vote all together. The poor and more importantly the homeless, usually don't have such ID's on them. Where do you think some of those Fake ID's from '1' above originate? The homeless have no secure location to place any valuables they have, including their photo IDs! For college students, just obtaining a photo ID off school campus sometimes is not feasible. Not every kid is blessed with a set of wheels, nor the local bus/cab service venture out to it. I knew of one college when I was considering going to, that was pretty remote from civilization by a few miles. That many state Photo IDs prohibit school IDs, means students have a harder time voting on Election Day.
3 ) Given all the other problems states and this nation faces, Voter ID laws should rank somewhere below the need to paint happy faces on the Washington Monument.
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ORIGINAL: thishereboi
And if your right, does requiring a drivers license to drive mean the government is trying to stop democrats from operating a car also. I mean if it's that hard for you guys to get a simple id how the hell do you pass the test?
Last I checked, driving on a roadway never came up at the original Constitution Convention. Not to many of those 'horse-less carriages' in those days when the 4th was being designed and voted upon. Driving is not a right, its a privilege. As such, the state can and usually does require a license to operate motor vehicles of all shapes and sizes. From a simple moped to the huge C-5 Galaxy. The purpose of the license is to show competence in operating the vehicle correctly and safely. Firearm owners have such licenses as well. And those whose profession requires a hefty amount of credentials to operate: MD's, Lawyers, CPA's, etc. When people misuse or operate in an unsafe manner, those licenses can be revoked; thus preventing them from operating within the law in the future. Its rather insulting, that one needs their license with photo to show they are competent enough to fill in a set of boxes on a sheet of paper with a pen.
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