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DomKen -> RE: Oops. Voter ID advocate Asa Hutchinson forgets Voter ID at polls (5/31/2014 11:02:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen By definition a fetus is not alive. Congratulations, Ken. You've just won your second Golden Shovel Award. So you do not know what defines life then? You're a bigger dumbass than I thought. My goodness, this is going to have more potential for entertainment than I anticipated. Alright bozo, put on your clown suit and bring out the dancing dogs. You truly don't know. It's always hilarious when you think you know something. What's hilarious is the way you huff and puff when you can't back up your claims. I can back it up, dumbass. I'm just waiting for you to make a bigger fool of yourself.

Kirata -> RE: Oops. Voter ID advocate Asa Hutchinson forgets Voter ID at polls (5/31/2014 11:28:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen I can back it up, dumbass. I'm just waiting for you to make a bigger fool of yourself. I haven't seen any evidence of either. K.

DomKen -> RE: Oops. Voter ID advocate Asa Hutchinson forgets Voter ID at polls (5/31/2014 12:02:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen I can back it up, dumbass. I'm just waiting for you to make a bigger fool of yourself. I haven't seen any evidence of either. You don't even know what defines life so this is hardly worth discussing with you. Why don't you Google it now and then run away.

CreativeDominant -> RE: Oops. Voter ID advocate Asa Hutchinson forgets Voter ID at polls (5/31/2014 12:21:44 PM)
Actually...from a pro-choice site: http://www.prochoiceactionnetwork-canada.org/articles/fetusperson.shtml It's a life"—another ambiguous and vague term. A fetus is certainly alive, and it might fairly be argued that a fetus is a distinct living entity (a debatable point though, because of fetal dependence on a woman's body), but this reasoning can apply to any living thing, including worms and germs. Then there is this: http://abortionmedicalethics.weebly.com/when-is-a-fetus-considered-alive.html Brief discussion over whether the fetus is alive (technically, it is) versus "right to" life vs. humanity of the fetus. But scientifically, once it is a zygote, it is alive.

Kirata -> RE: Oops. Voter ID advocate Asa Hutchinson forgets Voter ID at polls (5/31/2014 1:43:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen I can back it up, dumbass. I'm just waiting for you to make a bigger fool of yourself. I haven't seen any evidence of either. You don't even know what defines life so this is hardly worth discussing with you. Why don't you Google it now and then run away. Either back up your claim or bend over, bozo. K.

DomKen -> RE: Oops. Voter ID advocate Asa Hutchinson forgets Voter ID at polls (5/31/2014 2:32:16 PM)
So you don't know and are too stupid to use Google. A living organism is defined by 8 characteristics 1) All living things are highly organized and contain many complex chemical substances. 2) All living things contain one or more cells. 3) All living things use energy. 4) Living things have a definite form and have a limited size. 5) Living things grow. 6) Living things respond to changes in the environment. 7) Living things can reproduce. 8) Living things eventually die. A fetus fails both 6 and 7 so technically it is not alive. It may eventually be alive but at the fetus stage it is not yet fully alive.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Oops. Voter ID advocate Asa Hutchinson forgets Voter ID at polls (5/31/2014 2:53:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen So you don't know and are too stupid to use Google. A living organism is defined by 8 characteristics 1) All living things are highly organized and contain many complex chemical substances. 2) All living things contain one or more cells. 3) All living things use energy. 4) Living things have a definite form and have a limited size. 5) Living things grow. 6) Living things respond to changes in the environment. 7) Living things can reproduce. 8) Living things eventually die. A fetus fails both 6 and 7 so technically it is not alive. It may eventually be alive but at the fetus stage it is not yet fully alive. You just posted rules that state women who have had hysterectomies are no longer living organisms. And, according to WebMD, a fetus does respond to changes in it's environment.

DomKen -> RE: Oops. Voter ID advocate Asa Hutchinson forgets Voter ID at polls (5/31/2014 3:29:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen So you don't know and are too stupid to use Google. A living organism is defined by 8 characteristics 1) All living things are highly organized and contain many complex chemical substances. 2) All living things contain one or more cells. 3) All living things use energy. 4) Living things have a definite form and have a limited size. 5) Living things grow. 6) Living things respond to changes in the environment. 7) Living things can reproduce. 8) Living things eventually die. A fetus fails both 6 and 7 so technically it is not alive. It may eventually be alive but at the fetus stage it is not yet fully alive. You just posted rules that state women who have had hysterectomies are no longer living organisms. And, according to WebMD, a fetus does respond to changes in it's environment. A woman who was had a hysterectomy belongs to a class of organism that can reproduce. Do not be so obtuse. Also women can respond to their environments. Saying otherwise is quite insulting to women. No idea what the hell WebMD is talking about but by definition a fetus does not respond to its environment. It does not have a developed nervous system..

joether -> RE: Oops. Voter ID advocate Asa Hutchinson forgets Voter ID at polls (5/31/2014 4:53:42 PM)
How in the world did this conversation go from 'Voting Rights' to 'Fetus'? Can you say "WAY OFF TOPIC"?

joether -> RE: Oops. Voter ID advocate Asa Hutchinson forgets Voter ID at polls (5/31/2014 5:01:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi The claim was that requiring id was a move to stop democrats from voting. If that is true then that means less democrats have id's than republicans. If you are going to make a claim, you need to back it up with some kind of proof. Now you say that the elderly have more problems but they are not all democrats so that doesn't prove anything. The poor have to have id to collect medicaid so that's not it. College students may lean left but not enough to make a difference and the republican ones would have the same problems so that's bullshit too. Now one poster did admit a while back that she was all for voter id requirements until she found out the right thought it was a good idea. It's probably the closest to the truth that I am going to get. The rest just keep singing "but it's to block democrats" because that is what there were taught to sing. Republicans would not push for something unless they stood to gain from it politically (i.e. get more Republicans into office). Same as Democrats, right? However, Democrats are not the ones pushing for more strict requirements with voting. Since the amount of voter fraud is so tiny as to be rendered irrelevant to state and federal elections. The idea of Voter ID hinges on the false belief that voter fraud is rampant and destroying the nation. After all, some black guy got elected to the White House! And then got re-elected! That must mean (according to conservative/libertarian dogma) that there is something wrong with the voting process. Republican/Tea Party are not looking for more people to vote, but less. The less that vote, the more wingnuts and lame-ass idiots get into office. So making it harder for people to vote, would be to their advantage. I pointed out the primary hurdles to the three largest groups that would be effected by this legal concept. You can deny it all you want, but it doesn't make it any less true. Finally... ...Voter ID violates my 4th amendment rights!

quizzicalkitten -> RE: Oops. Voter ID advocate Asa Hutchinson forgets Voter ID at polls (5/31/2014 5:15:53 PM)
Once again... Voter fraud is not TINY or MINIMAL... there have been over 5000 reported cases of a "democratic voting initiative" changing the party of registered voters in just PA alone per the states attorneys office... 5000 in one state in less then 10 years ISNT tiny, and thats just something like changing someones party... Filthadelphia... had 110% democratic turn out in the 2012 elections....

thishereboi -> RE: Oops. Voter ID advocate Asa Hutchinson forgets Voter ID at polls (5/31/2014 5:17:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen So you don't know and are too stupid to use Google. A living organism is defined by 8 characteristics 1) All living things are highly organized and contain many complex chemical substances. 2) All living things contain one or more cells. 3) All living things use energy. 4) Living things have a definite form and have a limited size. 5) Living things grow. 6) Living things respond to changes in the environment. 7) Living things can reproduce. 8) Living things eventually die. A fetus fails both 6 and 7 so technically it is not alive. It may eventually be alive but at the fetus stage it is not yet fully alive. Fetuses respond to their environment, if fact if it changes too drastically it can be killed by it. They are also reproducing cells as they grow so yes they do fit 6 and 7. But using your logic, kids can't reproduce until their bodies develop, are you going to claim they aren't alive yet either.

thishereboi -> RE: Oops. Voter ID advocate Asa Hutchinson forgets Voter ID at polls (5/31/2014 5:18:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi The claim was that requiring id was a move to stop democrats from voting. If that is true then that means less democrats have id's than republicans. If you are going to make a claim, you need to back it up with some kind of proof. Now you say that the elderly have more problems but they are not all democrats so that doesn't prove anything. The poor have to have id to collect medicaid so that's not it. College students may lean left but not enough to make a difference and the republican ones would have the same problems so that's bullshit too. Now one poster did admit a while back that she was all for voter id requirements until she found out the right thought it was a good idea. It's probably the closest to the truth that I am going to get. The rest just keep singing "but it's to block democrats" because that is what there were taught to sing. Republicans would not push for something unless they stood to gain from it politically (i.e. get more Republicans into office). Same as Democrats, right? However, Democrats are not the ones pushing for more strict requirements with voting. Since the amount of voter fraud is so tiny as to be rendered irrelevant to state and federal elections. The idea of Voter ID hinges on the false belief that voter fraud is rampant and destroying the nation. After all, some black guy got elected to the White House! And then got re-elected! That must mean (according to conservative/libertarian dogma) that there is something wrong with the voting process. Republican/Tea Party are not looking for more people to vote, but less. The less that vote, the more wingnuts and lame-ass idiots get into office. So making it harder for people to vote, would be to their advantage. I pointed out the primary hurdles to the three largest groups that would be effected by this legal concept. You can deny it all you want, but it doesn't make it any less true. Finally... ...Voter ID violates my 4th amendment rights! still can't answer the question I see...

DomKen -> RE: Oops. Voter ID advocate Asa Hutchinson forgets Voter ID at polls (5/31/2014 5:45:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen So you don't know and are too stupid to use Google. A living organism is defined by 8 characteristics 1) All living things are highly organized and contain many complex chemical substances. 2) All living things contain one or more cells. 3) All living things use energy. 4) Living things have a definite form and have a limited size. 5) Living things grow. 6) Living things respond to changes in the environment. 7) Living things can reproduce. 8) Living things eventually die. A fetus fails both 6 and 7 so technically it is not alive. It may eventually be alive but at the fetus stage it is not yet fully alive. Fetuses respond to their environment, if fact if it changes too drastically it can be killed by it. They are also reproducing cells as they grow so yes they do fit 6 and 7. But using your logic, kids can't reproduce until their bodies develop, are you going to claim they aren't alive yet either. Dividing cells is not what the line is talking about. A child has the capacity to reproduce it is simply not yet ready. A fetus completely lacks the ability.

DomKen -> RE: Oops. Voter ID advocate Asa Hutchinson forgets Voter ID at polls (5/31/2014 5:46:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: quizzicalkitten Once again... Voter fraud is not TINY or MINIMAL... there have been over 5000 reported cases of a "democratic voting initiative" changing the party of registered voters in just PA alone per the states attorneys office... 5000 in one state in less then 10 years ISNT tiny, and thats just something like changing someones party... Filthadelphia... had 110% democratic turn out in the 2012 elections.... So you claim. BTW that isn't vote fraud. No votes were cast.

Kirata -> RE: Oops. Voter ID advocate Asa Hutchinson forgets Voter ID at polls (5/31/2014 6:38:36 PM)
Now that we've seen the dancing dog act.... quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen By definition a fetus is not alive. Life is... the condition that distinguishes animals and plants from inorganic matter ~Oxford the state or quality that distinguishes living beings or organisms from dead ones and from inorganic matter ~Collins the ability to grow, change, etc., that separates plants and animals from things like water or rocks ~Merriam-Webster A developing fetus is rather obviously neither a rock nor dead. What you listed in your post are the major characteristics of living organisms, but they are not all required for life. Sterile hybrids are alive, for example. Moreover, as others have pointed out, by your logic babies aren't alive even after birth, and our playgrounds are full of children running around who also aren't alive. I think you've been watching too many Zombie Apocalypse movies. K.

Kirata -> RE: Oops. Voter ID advocate Asa Hutchinson forgets Voter ID at polls (5/31/2014 7:20:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen *A child has the capacity to reproduce* A pre-pubescent child does not have the capacity to reproduce. Puberty is the process of physical changes by which a child's body matures into an adult body capable of sexual reproduction You really need to get a fucking grip. K.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Oops. Voter ID advocate Asa Hutchinson forgets Voter ID at polls (5/31/2014 8:08:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen So you don't know and are too stupid to use Google. A living organism is defined by 8 characteristics 1) All living things are highly organized and contain many complex chemical substances. 2) All living things contain one or more cells. 3) All living things use energy. 4) Living things have a definite form and have a limited size. 5) Living things grow. 6) Living things respond to changes in the environment. 7) Living things can reproduce. 8) Living things eventually die. A fetus fails both 6 and 7 so technically it is not alive. It may eventually be alive but at the fetus stage it is not yet fully alive. You just posted rules that state women who have had hysterectomies are no longer living organisms. And, according to WebMD, a fetus does respond to changes in it's environment. A woman who was had a hysterectomy belongs to a class of organism that can reproduce. Do not be so obtuse. A fetus belongs to a class of organism that can reproduce, too, Ken. quote: Also women can respond to their environments. Saying otherwise is quite insulting to women. Show me where I stated they couldn't. quote: No idea what the hell WebMD is talking about but by definition a fetus does not respond to its environment. It does not have a developed nervous system.. That's quite obvious, Ken. That's also why I linked to the page. Might want to take a gander at it and git sum of that there learnin'

DesideriScuri -> RE: Oops. Voter ID advocate Asa Hutchinson forgets Voter ID at polls (5/31/2014 8:12:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: quizzicalkitten Once again... Voter fraud is not TINY or MINIMAL... there have been over 5000 reported cases of a "democratic voting initiative" changing the party of registered voters in just PA alone per the states attorneys office... 5000 in one state in less then 10 years ISNT tiny, and thats just something like changing someones party... Filthadelphia... had 110% democratic turn out in the 2012 elections.... Voter registration fraud isn't the same thing as voter fraud. Fraudulent registrations aren't fraudulent votes. Fraudulent votes are things like someone voting who wasn't alive at the time of the election, or someone voting as someone else, or someone voting several times. But, those never happen. Except when they do.

DomKen -> RE: Oops. Voter ID advocate Asa Hutchinson forgets Voter ID at polls (5/31/2014 8:14:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen So you don't know and are too stupid to use Google. A living organism is defined by 8 characteristics 1) All living things are highly organized and contain many complex chemical substances. 2) All living things contain one or more cells. 3) All living things use energy. 4) Living things have a definite form and have a limited size. 5) Living things grow. 6) Living things respond to changes in the environment. 7) Living things can reproduce. 8) Living things eventually die. A fetus fails both 6 and 7 so technically it is not alive. It may eventually be alive but at the fetus stage it is not yet fully alive. You just posted rules that state women who have had hysterectomies are no longer living organisms. And, according to WebMD, a fetus does respond to changes in it's environment. A woman who was had a hysterectomy belongs to a class of organism that can reproduce. Do not be so obtuse. A fetus belongs to a class of organism that can reproduce, too, Ken. Wrong. A fetus may eventually become an organism that can reproduce but it is not itself an organism that can reproduce. It is not an organism at all in the technical sense.

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