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thompsonx -> RE: Will Daniel Snyder and the NFL ever wake up? (5/28/2014 7:31:09 AM)


ORIGINAL: thishereboi

The only thing that bothered my ex about shit like this was people trying to imply they knew how she felt about things. She claimed native americans were fierce warriors and considered it a compliment that they had named themselves after them.


Lets not forget your sister in law's cousin's hairdresser's brother in law who also felt proud to have racial slurs heaped upon him.[8|]




thompsonx -> RE: Will Daniel Snyder and the NFL ever wake up? (5/28/2014 7:42:01 AM)


ORIGINAL: thishereboi


I didn't see anything on that page that even mentioned the subject. Maybe you could be a little more specific.


Well lets see big red letters in the middle of page[8|]


NCAI And The Oneida Indian Nation Commend Senators In Acting To End Discrimination in the NFL

May 22, 2014


Click on those big red letters and get here
http://www.ncai.org/news/articles/2014/05/22/ncai-and-the-oneida-indian-nation-commend-senators-in-acting-to-end-discrimination-in-the-nfl


And read this

The letter also notes that all of the country’s national Tribal organizations, which represent more than two million Native Americans, have unequivocally spoken out in support of the name change.

“Washington team owner Dan Snyder and NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell have claimed that using the R-word epithet somehow honors Native peoples, but it is quite the opposite," said Halbritter. "The R-word is a dictionary defined racial slur, which likely explains why avowed segregationist George Preston Marshall decided to use the term as the team's name. Continuing an infamous segregationist's legacy by promoting such a slur is not an honor, as Mr. Snyder and Mr. Goodell claim. It is a malicious insult. That is why leaders in the Senate, in the House of Representatives, in the White House, and at all levels of government across the country are uniting in opposition to this offensive and hurtful name.”

I am all done holding your hand now.




Zonie63 -> RE: Will Daniel Snyder and the NFL ever wake up? (5/28/2014 8:10:56 AM)


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Was the people who said alot of native americans are offended actually native americans or white guilt "liberals"

Perhaps you should research that a bit before looking like even more of a fool than you did with your Memorial day thread.

I said i was sorry about that thread i wasnt thinking, plus people ignored when i corrected myself and said i was trying to say that i dont like it when people lump the rest of the army with those who did those war crimes. I am never gonna live it down, am i?

Anyway, i was asking a legitimate question, are native americans actually complaining and wanting the name change? because so far all i heard complaining is people who are not native americans.

Check with these guys
http://www.ncai.org/


I didn't see anything on that page that even mentioned the subject. Maybe you could be a little more specific.


After doing a brief search, I found a couple of interesting articles addressing the subject.

http://mmqb.si.com/2014/04/03/washington-nfl-team-name-debate/7/

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Daniel Snyder says it honors the heritage of Native Americans; critics consider it nothing less than a racist slur. We set out to gauge the real sentiment regarding the name ‘Redskins’ among Native American leaders and in grass-roots tribal communities around the country. The short answer: It’s complicated


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Since last fall, Snyder and his staff spoke with 400 tribal leaders, according to his open letter, and started more than 40 projects in Native American communities. As word of their trips trickled back to NCAI headquarters, many tribes reported that team officials did not ask how they felt about the name.

This was the case during a February visit to the Blackfeet Reservation in northwestern Montana, up near the Canadian border. Snyder was not present, but team representatives spent about four hours with members of the tribal council, discussing children’s programs and economic development. They made suggestions for an empty five-building industrial park the tribe is trying to turn into a foreign trade zone to create new jobs.

Leon Vielle, who participated in the meetings, admits he might not have wanted to take part if the focus had been on the team name. But the industrial park has been his pet project, so he put his strong feelings against the name aside to help his community. “I realize the controversy with the name,” he says, “but one of the things is it’s brought some attention to something that is lacking in Indian country, that is lacking within our federal government. If it takes [Snyder] to help us, then fine. We’re not looking for a handout, we’re looking for a hand up.”

The team’s approach has merit—taking the time to listen to the needs and challenges many Native American communities face. Snyder wrote in his letter that he “wanted and needed to hear firsthand what Native Americans truly thought of our name, our logo, and whether we were, in fact, upholding the principle of respect in regard to the Native American community.” The team did not describe how it chose the communities it visited, or the scope of its financial commitment. Onondaga Nation general counsel Joe Heath says Snyder was invited to their community—one of the Six Nations of the Iroquois Confederacy, along with the Oneida Nation, which launched the “Change the Mascot” campaign—but it was not one of the trips the team made. Nor was the San Carlos Apache Reservation, whose tribal council passed a resolution in October denouncing the “Redskins” mascot as “deeply offensive.” Says San Carlos Apache vice chair John Bush, “I’d love to share my thoughts with them.” (A team spokesman did not make Snyder available for an interview with The MMQB.)

Snyder’s outreach pleasantly surprised his fellow owners at the NFL meetings in March. Indian country, however, has been more skeptical. “You never took interest in us, going on a few decades,” says Vielle’s daughter, Stephanie, a U.S. Marine veteran who is now attending college at the University of Texas at Arlington. “I’m glad they’re helping us now, but that’s taking advantage of a poor community. It shouldn’t be shut-your-face money.”



http://triblive.com/neighborhoods/yourallekiskivalley/yourallekiskivalleymore/6171249-74/native-redskins-american#axzz331JqGhWC

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Allen, in a response to the Senate's top Democrat, wrote that the Redskins nickname was “respectful” toward Native Americans.

Tekakwitha Webb of Greenville does not buy it.

She and her husband, Spyder, are Cherokee. They perform eastern-style Cherokee singing and drumming for ceremonies and dancing, which they did for the Native American Gathering in Harmar sponsored by the Western Pennsylvania Native American Association.






CobaltRose -> RE: Will Daniel Snyder and the NFL ever wake up? (5/28/2014 9:55:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


ORIGINAL: CobaltRose

Was the people who said alot of native americans are offended actually native americans


Google could be your friend here if you are really interested.


or white guilt "liberals"

Are liberals the only ones who share the guilt for genocide?




by "white guilt" i mean that the Caucasian race as a whole shouldnt be blamed for what some assholes in the past did to the Native Americans. What they did was WRONG to kick them off their land and kill them. But we arent those assholes. "White guilt" liberals are those who say something offends a group of people when they havent asked the actual group of people.

Anyway you saw i admited i was wrong, so it seems you just want to keep on using things against me.

BTW why do some of those articles use the word "Indian" rather than the proper term "Native American"?




thompsonx -> RE: Will Daniel Snyder and the NFL ever wake up? (5/28/2014 10:35:19 AM)

ORIGINAL: CobaltRose

by "white guilt" i mean that the Caucasian race as a whole shouldnt be blamed for what some assholes in the past did to the Native Americans.


Do you feel that caucasians living in the u.s. today benifit from the gencide of their ancestors?


What they did was WRONG to kick them off their land and kill them. But we arent those assholes.


We are the decendents of those assholes and we still occupy the land that they stole.



"White guilt" liberals are those who say something offends a group of people when they havent asked the actual group of people.

That would be your ignorant unsubstantiated opinion.



BTW why do some of those articles use the word "Indian" rather than the proper term "Native American"?

Since I did not write them why are you asking me?





CobaltRose -> RE: Will Daniel Snyder and the NFL ever wake up? (5/28/2014 10:50:18 AM)

I wasnt asking you its a rhetorical question.

And so what are we suppose to do (to give them back their land) ? Pack our stuff and go back to Europe? Well, if you are paying for my trip, sure. I am honestly sick of these anti-LGBT assholes in America, would rather go to a place more accepting. I just think that I dont owe them money, money for something I didnt do. The father's sins do NOT go to the son. Yes, i think it was wrong, but, really, its in the past. Instead of holding onto the past, look to the future. Now, if there is prejudice i want that changed, but the past is past. Those focused on the past, will miss the present and the future will not be good.

Do i think all straight people should pay for the crimes of homophobes? NO! And dont you dare tell me "that doesnt count" people were killed mercilessly. But i am not an ignoramous who blames a whole group of people. Guilt to the Guilty. I will gladly serve my time for my sins, and mine alone.

Also, yes redskins is a racist term and the original founder of the Redskins was a segregationist which is why he choose it. BUT! instead of removing the name and keeping it a racial slur, they should reclaim the word, turn it into a source of pride, for what they have endured, the pain, the suffering, and use it to make them stronger. Words are just words You can fall beneath them or rise above them.




DomKen -> RE: Will Daniel Snyder and the NFL ever wake up? (5/28/2014 1:57:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: CobaltRose

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ORIGINAL: stef


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ORIGINAL: CobaltRose

Was the people who said alot of native americans are offended actually native americans or white guilt "liberals"

Perhaps you should research that a bit before looking like even more of a fool than you did with your Memorial day thread.

I said i was sorry about that thread i wasnt thinking, plus people ignored when i corrected myself and said i was trying to say that i dont like it when people lump the rest of the army with those who did those war crimes. I am never gonna live it down, am i?

Anyway, i was asking a legitimate question, are native americans actually complaining and wanting the name change? because so far all i heard complaining is people who are not native americans.

Check with these guys
http://www.ncai.org/


I didn't see anything on that page that even mentioned the subject. Maybe you could be a little more specific.

get your eyes examined.




DesiredStressor -> RE: Will Daniel Snyder and the NFL ever wake up? (6/18/2014 7:46:09 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

I've been a Redskin fan since before they got Sonny and the way they are playing they should be called...The Foreskins.

Having not fired Haslett, their def. coach...nothing will change this year. In fact most observers will tell you that as long as Snyder owns the team they will never...win a super bowl and I tend to agree. He is a real asshole.



I LAUGHED SO HAD AT THIS




dcnovice -> RE: Will Daniel Snyder and the NFL ever wake up? (6/18/2014 10:10:44 AM)

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dcnovice -> RE: Will Daniel Snyder and the NFL ever wake up? (6/18/2014 10:12:03 AM)

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Lets not forget your sister in law's cousin's hairdresser's brother in law

OMG, that is hilarious! [:)]




cloudboy -> RE: Will Daniel Snyder and the NFL ever wake up? (6/18/2014 10:43:32 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

I don't know what's gotten into you lately, but you could definitely use more bran in your diet.

What's on the pages and what's in your brain aren't matching well.


www.baltimoresun.com/sports/chi-washington-redskins-trademark-cancelled-20140618,0,5260175.story

baltimoresun.com

Washington Redskins trademark canceled by U.S. Patent Office

Office says 'Redskin' is disparaging to Native Americans

Tribune staff report

1:05 PM EDT, June 18, 2014

The U.S. Patent and Trademark Office has canceled the Washington Redskins trademark registration, an extremely rare move the office said it made because the name is offensive to Native Americans.

Trademarks that disparage or belittle other groups are not permitted under federal law. The ruling Wednesday pertains to six different trademarks containing the word “Redskin.”

Native American groups have been fighting the football team, its owners and sponsors for decades to change the name.

The decision can be reviewed by a federal court. The ruling does not mean that the trademarks can no longer be used by the NFL club, only that they are no longer registered, the statement said.

The ruling opens the door for outside sellers to sell Redskins merchandise without paying royalties to the NFL. Merchandise royalties are split equally among all NFL teams, except for the Dallas Cowboys.

This is the second time the Trademark Trial and Appeal Board has faced a petition to cancel these registrations. The first was in 1992; that case was overturned on a technicality.

The Redskins' trademark attorney said the team will appeal.

"We are confident we will prevail once again, and that the Trademark Trial and Appeal Board’s divided ruling will be overturned on appeal," he said in a statement.

Many other sports teams, professional down to grade schools, have names derived from Native American roots. But few have received more scrutiny or backlash than the Redskins. Some, including the Fighting Illini, have changed their mascots amid controversy.


Reuters contributed.




Sanity -> RE: Will Daniel Snyder and the NFL ever wake up? (6/18/2014 10:51:27 AM)

The king has made his royal decision, and his royal goons shall once again enforce his royal decree

(Emails to be deleted at ten)




mnottertail -> RE: Will Daniel Snyder and the NFL ever wake up? (6/18/2014 10:58:07 AM)

LOLOL. the nutsackers have slobbered. nothing to see here either.




thishereboi -> RE: Will Daniel Snyder and the NFL ever wake up? (6/18/2014 1:07:34 PM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

LOLOL. the nutsackers have slobbered. nothing to see here either.



Well if they are truly slobbered best to keep them away from that prickly rash of yours, wouldn't want you to get an infection now, would we. Perhaps you should forgo the airport bathroom until you get it cleared up. [8D]




mnottertail -> RE: Will Daniel Snyder and the NFL ever wake up? (6/18/2014 1:12:51 PM)

Ja, your knees are healing up real nicely, almost no scabbing left. you havent been active in the party lately have you?




cloudboy -> RE: Will Daniel Snyder and the NFL ever wake up? (6/18/2014 4:05:31 PM)


Sally Jenkins is always a good read. She has trouble with the Patent Office Ruling feeling that it conflicts with free speech -- so much so that in the case of the Redskins, the ACLU and Fox News are co-aligned.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/the-team-and-nfl-should-change-the-redskins-name-not-the-federal-government/2014/06/18/f6d6837c-f728-11e3-a3a5-42be35962a52_story.html

Must say I just loved this part -- it's both humorous and sad and Sally wrote it up well:

Trademark law prohibits the registering of names that “may disparage” individuals or groups, or “bring them into contempt or disrepute.” But in actuality American Indians are constantly treated with contempt by corporate America, and we don’t even notice it. As Thomas King observes in his withering book, “The Inconvenient Indian,” “Sometimes you can only watch and marvel at the ways in which the Dead Indian has been turned into products.” Indians have been turned into cars, and underwear brands, and Crazy Horse malt liquor. The football trademark case hardly rectifies the problem King identifies, which is that Americans have no respect for their own antiquities, and don’t recognize how badly they continue to junk and trash them.

“Dead Indians are dignified, noble, silent, suitably garbed,” King writes. “And dead. Live Indians are invisible, unruly, disappointing. And breathing. One is a romantic reminder of a heroic but fictional past. The other is simply an unpleasant, contemporary surprise.”




thishereboi -> RE: Will Daniel Snyder and the NFL ever wake up? (6/18/2014 5:25:12 PM)

I told you this a couple times already but I will cut you some slack because I know you're getting up there in years. I don't do nutsacks, that's your hangup.




Sanity -> RE: Will Daniel Snyder and the NFL ever wake up? (6/18/2014 5:48:03 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

I told you this a couple times already but I will cut you some slack because I know you're getting up there in years. I don't do nutsacks, that's your hangup.


He's probably just excited because someone read one of his posts.




SadistDave -> RE: Will Daniel Snyder and the NFL ever wake up? (6/19/2014 1:08:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

Washington Redskins trademark canceled by U.S. Patent Office



You know that they've gone through all of this before, don't you?

I was reading this earlier this evening somewhere (probably Drudge). In 1999 I think it was, the same thing happened and the federal judge reversed the trademark denial in 2003 based on the fact that the ruling didn't even meet it's own standards. The trademark stayed in effect during the appeal.

They have already appealed, and their trademark remains in effect until their appeal is heard in court. Their lawyers are pretty confident that they will win the appeal because there is nothing new in this ruling and the arguement the government using now is more or less the same one that got overturned in 2003...

Their trademark will stay in effect during this appeal as well.

-SD-




cloudboy -> RE: Will Daniel Snyder and the NFL ever wake up? (6/19/2014 7:14:28 AM)


Sally Jenkins wisely pointed out that the best course of action is for Daniel Snyder to be proactive -- and absent that the name will probably stick. This ruling might be reversed on appeal.

It is hard for someone to change themselves and their views -- but if there's any real, continuing punishment for Redskins fans, it's the owner of the team. He's about as slow on the uptake as you'll ever find.




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