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RE: Curiouser and Curiouser - 5/29/2014 11:01:48 AM   
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Remarks as prepared are in the link DC posted earlier.

If memory serves, DS has both Ken and me hidden, hence his not seeing the repeated postings of the link.

Good thing he's not a liberal, insulating himself from outside opinions.


Oh FFS.

This is somehow enlightened and superior?

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RE: Curiouser and Curiouser - 5/29/2014 11:02:49 AM   
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I can find plenty that comes out of the First Lady's mouth to condemn, without resorting to the MSNBC standard

That does not seem to be the case thus far. Instead of what she actually said you have offered your opinion of what you would like her to have said so you could snivel.

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RE: Curiouser and Curiouser - 5/29/2014 11:08:19 AM   
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Remarks as prepared are in the link DC posted earlier.

If memory serves, DS has both Ken and me hidden, hence his not seeing the repeated postings of the link.

Good thing he's not a liberal, insulating himself from outside opinions.


Oh FFS.

This is somehow enlightened and superior?


No just a statement of of the observably obvious.
A fucking moron, who tosses pulcratudinous platitudes about like rice at a wedding, refuses to substantiate any of his moroic bullshit and blocks anyone who points out his idiocy .


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RE: Curiouser and Curiouser - 5/29/2014 11:10:42 AM   
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Oh FFS.

This is somehow enlightened and superior?

Oh God, no. It's a jocular reference to post 18.

I'd hoped the smiley would signal humor, but apparently not.

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RE: Curiouser and Curiouser - 5/29/2014 11:13:05 AM   
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Some time ago, I was chided by a poster for suggesting that a thread was headed for a treatise on "Thought Control".

It turned out that I was correct. That poster apologized to me later in thread.

I found an article in my yahoo feed, today that echoes what I have been saying about "Thought Crimes" for some time; particularly:

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What comes to mind when I think of the genesis for this growing trend of government to control Americans’ speech, and by extension, thoughts, is when the notion of hate crime was brought into our criminal prosecution system — as if acts of violence that are committed because of racial divides deserve a different category of ‘extra-special bad



Screen captures still RULE! Ya feel me?

But historically they have been a category of 'extra-special bad.' How can we ignore all the crimes committed against blacks and gays? America's history of these grotesque acts cries out for a special category.



It cries out for no such thing. What it wants is justice. Not "special justice". Try and give people that and you have already lost. A crime is a crime. Period.


I would like to see you explain that to Holocaust survivors.

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RE: Curiouser and Curiouser - 5/29/2014 11:14:48 AM   
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Oh FFS.

This is somehow enlightened and superior?



Nope. It's passive-aggressive name-calling behavior and it's what got the poster in question on my "hide" list in the first place. When one adds nothing to a discussion but this brand of swill, it's not in my best interests to even acknowledge their existence.







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RE: Curiouser and Curiouser - 5/29/2014 11:21:11 AM   
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RE: Curiouser and Curiouser - 5/29/2014 11:25:17 AM   
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But historically they have been a category of 'extra-special bad.' How can we ignore all the crimes committed against blacks and gays? America's history of these grotesque acts cries out for a special category.




I disagree, Vince. I think our yesterday cries out for equal justice today.

It works both ways, Rich. Killing a person solely because of any skin color or any sexual persuasion or religious belief should be a greater crime and that is the point of Hate Crime laws. The equality of justice is not diminished.

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RE: Curiouser and Curiouser - 5/29/2014 11:27:57 AM   
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RE: Curiouser and Curiouser - 5/29/2014 12:02:03 PM   
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For some reason I switched her into clinton. I'm gonna go with no caffeine and not enough sleep. Sorry about that.

Now, now, for the rest of you (except for my new buddy dc), time for a comic relief break :
(With the involuntary compliments of DRosti...)




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RE: Curiouser and Curiouser - 5/29/2014 2:08:42 PM   
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I knew you'd say it better than I could.

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RE: Curiouser and Curiouser - 5/29/2014 2:44:54 PM   
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Fucking waste of oxygen, this whole bit of asswipe.

(Methinks this may a ruse to get some mouth-to-mouth-going...Petruchio, is it? http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4697130 )




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RE: Curiouser and Curiouser - 5/29/2014 3:35:36 PM   
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The funny thing about right wingers and thinking. They say they support free thought but do they really?

Discuss economics with right wingers and what do you find out? Nothing but the free market is acceptable.

Discuss religion with right wingers and what do you find out? Nothing but Judeo-Christian faiths are acceptable.

Discuss science with right wingers and what do find out? Nothing that conflicts with their political ideology is acceptable. Whether that is climate change or evolution or whatever.

Now I'm sure the right wingers will rush in to defend themselves but ask yourselves, is not conservatism defined by the rejection of open mindedness.

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RE: Curiouser and Curiouser - 5/29/2014 3:40:47 PM   
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RE: Curiouser and Curiouser - 5/29/2014 3:56:40 PM   
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Here's an example of hate speech, not directed against blacks but against women. The author is Paul Elam, whom I am told, is one of the leading 'intellectual' lights of the Men's Rights Movement in the US:
"I have ideas about women who spend evenings in bars hustling men for drinks, playing on their sexual desires … And the women who drink and make out, doing everything short of sex with men all evening, and then go to his apartment at 2:00 a.m.. Sometimes both of these women end up being the “victims” of rape.
But are these women asking to get raped?
In the most severe and emphatic terms possible the answer is NO, THEY ARE NOT ASKING TO GET RAPED.
They are freaking begging for it.
Damn near demanding it.
And all the outraged PC demands to get huffy and point out how nothing justifies or excuses rape won’t change the fact that there are a lot of women who get pummeled and pumped because they are stupid (and often arrogant) enough to walk though life with the equivalent of a I’M A STUPID, CONNIVING BITCH – PLEASE RAPE ME neon sign glowing above their empty little narcissistic heads."
http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/18/paul-elam-of-a-voice-for-men-in-his-own-words/ (emphasis in the original, not added by me)

Disturbing stuff by any standard. One ought to bear in mind that the audience Mr Elam in writing for - angry embittered often very violent men who have serious issues with women in general and specifically with their ex-partners - contains many who have long records of violent crimes against women and children. These are the very last people one should be inciting to violence.

Here in Australia Mr Elam would almost certainly be prosecuted for inciting hate and violence against women in the quoted text. In the USA he hasn't been prosecuted for anything. From where I sit, the only possible grounds upon which one might defend Mr Elam's sentiments is that he is entitled to say whatever he wants as part of his right to freedom of speech. I would hope that no one posting here would agree with his sentiments though considering some of the views advanced by members of the looney Right in the past, this hope might be a victory of optimism over realism.

So, which approach is correct? Should Elam be prosecuted for inciting hate and violence? Or does his right to freedom of speech over-ride all other considerations?

He has a right to speak what he wishes to speak. I don't see anywhere in the quotes above where he says to "go ahead and rape these women". He says they deserve it. Ugly opinion but he has the right to it, just as rappers have the right to objectify women in their "songs".

I guess the only thing that saved me...a member of those whose thinking is more right of center than left of center...was having two daughters to raise up to be normal, everyday human beings. NOT the fact that as a person on the right with a conservative mother and father, I was taught to respect women.

Does that mean that I don't think some women ARE asses? No. Does that mean I think those same women should be raped? No. Do I get frustrated and tell some women I know who I've seen pull the crap outlined above that they are acting inappropriately and in a manner that may get them hurt by the guy they are pulling it on? Yes, I do. Of course, I suppose I could just shut my mouth. Then, when it happens that they run into a guy who has spent most of his night and his money on the woman and therefore...wrongly...expects something in return and tries to take it, say "what an asshole that guy is" and nod my head in solemn agreement with the outraged people on the news while pretending not to notice what the woman was doing to incite his behavior, no matter how wrong his behavioral response is.

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RE: Curiouser and Curiouser - 5/29/2014 9:20:56 PM   
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The text I quoted clearly portrayed the First Lady as wishing she could call out the law on folks who voiced unacceptable opinions. If Rich disagrees with that characterization, I'm sure he'll say so. As if that text were not condemnatory enough, the poster went on to say, "Here is the thing. I don't believe foolish idealogue liberals like the Obamas deliberately want to create a nightmare society. They simply wish to impose their values, with the very best of intentions, for our own good. They wouldn't wind up needing the thought police at all, if everyone would simply obey without question."




Damn right, DC.

You are grabbing something I've already said was a joking inside reference that I expected the person my post was directed to would catch. The reference, of course, was to pundits and talking heads of the left who routinely claim to hear words that were never spoken by the critics of the President who those pundits want to attack.

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The text I quoted clearly portrayed the First Lady as wishing...


Well, the original text was pretty clearly written in the form a question, DC, and addressed to a specific person.

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Interesting thing with that quote from Mrs. Obama, Michael. Did you hear a wistful "yet" in the back of your mind when she talked about no court cases for jokes or comments the "right sort" of people don't find funny?


Now unless questioning the people at the top of our government is synonymous with condemning them all of a sudden, I am going to disagree with your characterization. (Don't make dig up that shrieking Hillary clip from the Bush years.)


Getting to the bottom of what's above, I stand by that absolutely. The sort of foolish liberals who would attempt to drag us into their vision of what is best for everyone would start with the very best of intentions. It's the enforcement that gets problematic, and the augering happens organically, as soon as you start to feed the beast.

Add in that all the technology needed for such a beast already exists, and is heavily in place, and you will find people who worry about such a path in our county with itchy trigger fingers (metaphorically speaking).

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RE: Curiouser and Curiouser - 5/29/2014 9:30:46 PM   
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Hillary Clinton shrieks for the right of dissent

(That's a link, kids)

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RE: Curiouser and Curiouser - 5/29/2014 9:44:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		As if we didn't actually live through W instituting a real live right wing police state with people being rounded up and imprisoned indefinitely for the simple crime of being the wrong ethnic group.

With Justice Department lawyers calling the Bill of Rights "quaint" and writing memos detailing how the President could do anything he wanted.

It's bizarre liberals are attacked for what we might do but conservatives must be excused for what they've already actually done.

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RE: Curiouser and Curiouser - 5/29/2014 10:05:08 PM   
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the technology needed for such a beast already exists, and is heavily in place,

And has been used.

Malcolm Baldrige, Reagan's first Commerce Secretary, had some of the department's word processors reprogrammed to refuse forbidden words that the secretary considered too jargony.

He did so with the best of intentions, of course.

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RE: Curiouser and Curiouser - 5/29/2014 10:32:29 PM   
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