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RE: Bergdahl - 6/8/2014 8:28:23 AM   
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I had not thought of that, BamaD.

I dunno though.
It might have been... awkward.... to convert and remain with his unit, but he could have done so.

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/8/2014 8:30:58 AM   
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I had not thought of that, BamaD.

I dunno though.
It might have been... awkward.... to convert and remain with his unit, but he could have done so.

It would have been less awkward than desertion.

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/8/2014 8:38:46 AM   
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Republican Senator good enough?


Well, if you could find one, that would certainly be good enough for consideration.

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As it turns out, according to the White House, there is no note:


Saxby Chambliss says WH told senators in briefing that NYT reporting that Bergdahl left a note when he abandoned camp is wrong.



That’s verrry curious, since it’s not just the NYT that has sources claiming the note exists. Fox News was also told that Bergdahl had left a letter, one that not only supported desertion but which hinted that he wanted to renounce his citizenship. Either multiple sources are lying to multiple news agencies about the existence of a note or the White House is lying to Chambliss and Congress in denying it. And if it’s the NYT/Fox sources are lying, why didn’t they lie more brazenly? They could have concocted the text of the phony note, making it as damning to Bergdahl as they like, and then fed it to one or both of them. They didn’t. Why not?


In as much as you are linking to a Republican Senator saying 0bama0 denies the existence of the note, it certainly doesn't mean much to me (although it admittedly does back up your assertion; thank you). The original source of this (mis)information- 0bama0- lies more, and more arrogantly and more obviously, by the day.

I'd make book the note exists.

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/8/2014 8:44:55 AM   
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In as much as you are linking to a Republican Senator saying 0bama0 denies the existence of the note, it certainly doesn't mean much to me (although it admittedly does back up your assertion; thank you). The original source of this (mis)information- 0bama0- lies more, and more arrogantly and more obviously, by the day.

I'd make book the note exists.


If you like Bergdals note you can keep Bergdals note - PERIOD

(Not that Obama would ever lie, eh)


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RE: Bergdahl - 6/8/2014 8:48:51 AM   
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If anyone is interested here is a fact sheet on the CODE

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/8/2014 8:56:31 AM   
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See posts 199 and 201 by ThirdWheelWanted


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RE: Bergdahl - 6/8/2014 9:24:57 AM   
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The links I provided go far past those posts... they explain in detail how those articles are judged and a detailed explanation how and under what circumstances they are applied .

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/8/2014 9:30:58 AM   
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That story is questioned by other sources.


Really? Because, gee, I cannot find them.
I found stories that did not mention the presence of a note; but gee, that's not the same as "questioned" the presence of said note, now is it?

Perhaps you could point me to stories that "question" the presence of such a desertion note.

No????


http://hotair.com/archives/2014/06/05/theory-the-real-reason-the-military-forced-soldiers-quiet-about-desertion-accusations-against-bergdahl/?preview=true
Republican Senator good enough?


After a search for the actual NYT article mentioning the note, as well as the items that Bergdahl is rumored to have taken with him I did find it. What I didn't find was the NTY authors that wrote the article citing where they got their information. If anyone knows where the NYT got their information perhaps you could share it here.

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/8/2014 9:35:43 AM   
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See posts 199 and 201 by ThirdWheelWanted




Mp aa ROFLMFAO

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/8/2014 9:38:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: truckinslave
I'd make book the note exists.
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When you produce the note then it is real until then it is just another of your moronic opinions.

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/8/2014 9:43:12 AM   
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GZ redux.
Strawmen, irrelevant sources, and willful, obstinate ignorance.

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/8/2014 10:05:48 AM   
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HERE is another strawman source...at least know what the hell you are talking about.

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/8/2014 10:11:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: kdsub

HERE is another strawman source...at least know what the hell you are talking about.

Butch


When you were in the service wasn't the only qualification to be an mp was to be too stupid to push a broom?

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/8/2014 10:26:20 AM   
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I'm not really sure what to make of this case, although I figure the legal eagles will churn this one around for a while.

A lot of people seem to be arguing technicalities, but I'm wondering what the deeper implications are to all of this. Did Bergdahl desert, and if so, why? If he deserted, would the Taliban still treat him as a prisoner? And why would he want to come back?

Of course, the other side of this is the Taliban prisoners who were released in exchange for Bergdahl. The implication here is that the US might have gotten the raw end of the deal, ostensibly trading high-ranking enemy officials for Bergdahl. But again, it's hard to say what's really going on here, since there seems to be more speculation than fact. I suppose anything is possible, especially in the world of cloak-and-dagger.


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RE: Bergdahl - 6/8/2014 10:28:34 AM   
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Below, from your source, is the part about which you are so determined to remain ignorant:

quote:

885. ARTICLE 85. DESERTION
10. Punitive Articles
(a) Any member of the armed forces who–
(1) without authority goes or remains absent from his unit, organization, or place of duty with intent to remain away therefrom permanently;
(2) quits his unit, organization, or place of duty with intent to avoid hazardous duty or to shirk important service; or
(3) without being regularly separated from one of the armed forces enlists or accepts an appointment in the same or another on of the armed forces without fully disclosing the fact that he has not been regularly separated, or enters any foreign armed service except when authorized by the United States; is guilty of desertion.


The coloring is mine.
"Quits", btw, means: leaves.

If he left voluntarily, it is hard to see how he could be found "not guilty" of the charge of desertion.

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/8/2014 10:31:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

Below, from your source, is the part about which you are so determined to remain ignorant:

quote:

885. ARTICLE 85. DESERTION
10. Punitive Articles
(a) Any member of the armed forces who–
(1) without authority goes or remains absent from his unit, organization, or place of duty with intent to remain away therefrom permanently;
(2) quits his unit, organization, or place of duty with intent to avoid hazardous duty or to shirk important service; or
(3) without being regularly separated from one of the armed forces enlists or accepts an appointment in the same or another on of the armed forces without fully disclosing the fact that he has not been regularly separated, or enters any foreign armed service except when authorized by the United States; is guilty of desertion.


The coloring is mine.
"Quits", btw, means: leaves.

If he left voluntarily, it is hard to see how he could be found "not guilty" of the charge of desertion.



Did you notice that one of the words you added color to was, "intent?"

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/8/2014 10:33:52 AM   
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Did Bergdahl desert, and if so, why?


Yes, and it doesn't matter.

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If he deserted, would the Taliban still treat him as a prisoner?


Probably (and it doesn't matter).

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And why would he want to come back?


It doesn't matter (but his "commitment issues" are already pretty well known, non?

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/8/2014 10:35:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Zonie63

FR

I'm not really sure what to make of this case, although I figure the legal eagles will churn this one around for a while.

A lot of people seem to be arguing technicalities, but I'm wondering what the deeper implications are to all of this. Did Bergdahl desert, and if so, why? If he deserted, would the Taliban still treat him as a prisoner? And why would he want to come back?

Of course, the other side of this is the Taliban prisoners who were released in exchange for Bergdahl. The implication here is that the US might have gotten the raw end of the deal, ostensibly trading high-ranking enemy officials for Bergdahl. But again, it's hard to say what's really going on here, since there seems to be more speculation than fact. I suppose anything is possible, especially in the world of cloak-and-dagger.




Some are trying to make this case seem far more complicated than it is because the most obvious and the simplest explanation implies that our CIC has either gone completely mad, or he is a moron beyond belief

Or he has knowingly and willingly committed treason in addition to knowingly and willingly violating the prisoner release statute that he himself signed into law

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/8/2014 10:36:45 AM   
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I did.
He was engaged both in hazardous duty and important service.
The intent to avoid/shirk that is proven by his taking leave of it.
It's really not difficult.


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RE: Bergdahl - 6/8/2014 10:38:25 AM   
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Some are trying to make this case seem far more complicated than it is because the most obvious and the simplest explanation implies that our CIC has either gone completely mad, or he is a moron beyond belief

Or he has knowingly and willingly committed treason in addition to knowingly and willingly violating the prisoner release statute that he himself signed into law


The explanations you offer are by no means mutually exclusive.

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