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RE: Bergdahl - 6/8/2014 7:09:52 AM   
truckinslave


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As for his alleged conversion to Islam, Stockholm syndrome must be considered.


The conversion is not illegal regardless.

I have said before that he, and we, deserve a trial- a court martial.
If he is guilty of desertion, nothing that happened afterwards matters.
If he is not guilty of desertion, nothing that happened afterwards matters.

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/8/2014 7:12:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Sanity


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Ken, I'm sorry, but you're wrong. While you may not have heard about it, there is no legal requirement for someone to be absent for 30 days before being charged with desertion. http://usmilitary.about.com/od/punitivearticles/a/mcm85.htm

This link is regarding what is known as the 30 day rule. http://usmilitary.about.com/od/justicelawlegislation/a/awol2.htm

Missing movement isn't just a navy offense, it's Article 87 of the UCMJ Missing Movement, and applies to all service members.

And by the way, I did serve in the Army.

Read your own link
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The primary difference between the two offenses is "intent to remain away permanently." If one intends to return to "military control," one is guilty of "AWOL," under Article 86, not Desertion, under Article 85, even if they were away for ten years.

Assuming the Rolling Stone article is correct then he intended to come back and therefore he is not a deserter.


How totally random

What a complete and total surprise

Rolling Stone leaping forward in knee-jerk fashion to defend an America-hating traitor

Who could ever have foreseen that happening

On another note, some experts are calling Barack Obama insane in light of some of the recent spectacles he has made of himself, including this swapping of a traitor for five Taliban commanders while we are still fighting in Afghanistan

Article is from 3 years ago.

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/8/2014 7:16:16 AM   
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Per the NY Times, he left a note saying that he was starting a new life and shipped his personal belongings home. Per Rolling Stone, he sent his parents an e-mail before he left saying how evil the US was, and how sorry he is for serving in the Army. That right there is intent and changes his status from AWOL to Deserter the minute his foot crossed the perimeter.


QFT.
Plain. Pure. Simple. Truth.

There was no note by all accounts and the email was about an MRAP running over a kid.

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/8/2014 7:20:17 AM   
truckinslave


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Status: offline 		Intent is intent regardless of cause of origination.
Desertion is desertion; motive for doing so may be considered in the sentencing phase.

He purposefully left his unit whilst in a combat zone.
He deliberately went over to the enemy.

If either of those things are true he qualifies for the lead.


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RE: Bergdahl - 6/8/2014 7:24:54 AM   
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There was no note by all accounts


As per the NYT, June 2, 2014:

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Sometime after midnight on June 30, 2009, Pfc. Bowe Bergdahl left behind a note in his tent saying he had become disillusioned with the Army, did not support the American mission in Afghanistan and was leaving to start a new life.


Try to keep up

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/8/2014 7:42:43 AM   
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There was no note by all accounts


As per the NYT, June 2, 2014:

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Sometime after midnight on June 30, 2009, Pfc. Bowe Bergdahl left behind a note in his tent saying he had become disillusioned with the Army, did not support the American mission in Afghanistan and was leaving to start a new life.


Try to keep up

That story is questioned by other sources.

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/8/2014 7:47:38 AM   
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Ken, I'm sorry, but you're wrong. While you may not have heard about it, there is no legal requirement for someone to be absent for 30 days before being charged with desertion.

Would it be possible for you to link us to even one court martial for desertion that was done to someone gone for less than 30 days?

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/8/2014 7:51:49 AM   
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In my opinion leaving his post in a war zone is desertion.

What do you mean by leaving your post?
If you are on guard duty and manning a post and you leave?
If you are just in the company area and go someplace not assigned...like over to "dawg patch" for a little companionship?

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/8/2014 7:54:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here is how it goes ... The thirty days is a factor in desertion. If a soldier leaves his unit and returns before 30 days expire it is absence without leave... If he is gone longer than 30 days it is desertion. The law is vague in this area... For instance if he left of his own free will but planned to return to his unit...but was captured... he could still be considered AWOL rather than a deserter. But he will have to prove this was his intent.

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/8/2014 7:54:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		"May 1 marks the fifth anniversary of President George W. Bush's "Mission Accomplished" speech, as heralded by a giant banner strung across the deck of the USS Abraham Lincoln.

After shifting explanations, the White House eventually said the "Mission Accomplished" phrase referred to the carrier's crew completing their 10-month mission, not the military completing its mission in Iraq.

"President Bush is well aware that the banner should have been much more specific and said 'mission accomplished' for these sailors who are on this ship on their mission," White House press secretary Dana Perino said Wednesday. "And we have certainly paid a price for not being more specific on that banner. And I recognize that the media is going to play this up again tomorrow, as they do every single year.""


So he got caught with his hand in the cookie jar and you are butt hurt cuz it gets pointed out...
Did it ever occure to your limited intellect that people do that to you on purpose? It is called rubing your nose in your own shit.

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/8/2014 7:56:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

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As for his alleged conversion to Islam, Stockholm syndrome must be considered.


The conversion is not illegal regardless.

I have said before that he, and we, deserve a trial- a court martial.
If he is guilty of desertion, nothing that happened afterwards matters.
If he is not guilty of desertion, nothing that happened afterwards matters.


If he is not guilty of desertion then a court martial is unnecessary mr. mp from aa.

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/8/2014 7:59:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		He purposefully left his unit whilst in a combat zone.

Since you have yet to attend your first bar-b-q you have no clue as to what you are talking about.
People leave their unit in a combat zone all the time. It is called getting laid.

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/8/2014 8:04:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		On another note, some experts are calling Barack Obama insane in light of some of the recent spectacles he has made of himself,

So far the only expert(ex means previously and spurt is a drip under pressure)who has said this is you. Perhaps you could give us a list of the morons who agree with you?


including this swapping of a traitor for five Taliban commanders while we are still fighting in Afghanistan

This would be your ignorant unsubstantiated opinion. Perhaps in your zipcode in fascistville he is guilty of something but in my country he is innocent till proved guilty. Are there any other parts of the constitution of my country you would like to wipe your ass on?

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/8/2014 8:06:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		However, as far as Intent goes, there is no requirement for him to admit anything. A military prosecutor can present circumstantial evidence that the panel may consider to judge intent. Per the NY Times, he left a note saying that he was starting a new life and shipped his personal belongings home. Per Rolling Stone, he sent his parents an e-mail before he left saying how evil the US was, and how sorry he is for serving in the Army. That right there is intent and changes his status from AWOL to Deserter the minute his foot crossed the perimeter. Several sources state that the Pentagon had concluded an investigation finding incontrovertible proof that he had walked away from his unit. So there must be more evidence out there that we're not privy too yet.

If it becomes availabel then your opinion might have some substantiation but so far no.

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/8/2014 8:07:58 AM   
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Now, now, Sanity. President Obama did go to Afghanistan to show his support. On Memorial day no less, which was appropriate, considering that leaving our guys there to keep dying while he contemplates the terms of our formal surrender for the last 5 1/2 years put plenty of graves to decorate right at his feet.

Wasn't it your buddy bush who started that war?

He even met with the CIA Head of Station, though we'll need a new one now, since his staff can't be trusted with classified information

Tell me that you are stupid enough to believe that the opposition does not know who the cia station chief is?

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/8/2014 8:09:11 AM   
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That story is questioned by other sources.


Really? Because, gee, I cannot find them.
I found stories that did not mention the presence of a note; but gee, that's not the same as "questioned" the presence of said note, now is it?

Perhaps you could point me to stories that "question" the presence of such a desertion note.

No????


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1. Islam and sharia are indivisible.
2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/8/2014 8:09:27 AM   
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This is deadly serious, that I can make light of Obamas treason is testament to my patience

Actually it is a testament to your ignorance and childish reaction to all things not sanity.

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/8/2014 8:10:33 AM   
truckinslave


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Outside a combat zone.

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1. Islam and sharia are indivisible.
2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/8/2014 8:26:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

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As for his alleged conversion to Islam, Stockholm syndrome must be considered.


The conversion is not illegal regardless.

I have said before that he, and we, deserve a trial- a court martial.
If he is guilty of desertion, nothing that happened afterwards matters.
If he is not guilty of desertion, nothing that happened afterwards matters.

I know the conversion is not illegal, however, it is being used by some as proof of intent.

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/8/2014 8:26:26 AM   
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That story is questioned by other sources.


Really? Because, gee, I cannot find them.
I found stories that did not mention the presence of a note; but gee, that's not the same as "questioned" the presence of said note, now is it?

Perhaps you could point me to stories that "question" the presence of such a desertion note.

No????


http://hotair.com/archives/2014/06/05/theory-the-real-reason-the-military-forced-soldiers-quiet-about-desertion-accusations-against-bergdahl/?preview=true
Republican Senator good enough?

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