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RE: Bergdahl - 6/8/2014 10:40:37 AM   
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I did.
He was engaged both in hazardous duty and important service.
The intent to avoid/shirk that is proven by his taking leave of it.
It's really not difficult.



For some, it is easier if it is difficult

It cannot possibly be as it appears

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/8/2014 10:42:01 AM   
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RE: Bergdahl - 6/8/2014 10:53:33 AM   
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If he left voluntarily, it is hard to see how he could be found "not guilty" of the charge of desertion.


And you would like us to believe you were actually in the u.s. military...ROFLMFAO...
Why don't you list for us the people who have been successfully prosecuted for desertion.

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/8/2014 11:00:31 AM   
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Of course, the other side of this is the Taliban prisoners who were released in exchange for Bergdahl. The implication here is that the US might have gotten the raw end of the deal, ostensibly trading high-ranking enemy officials for Bergdahl.

Which of the people in custody at gitmo would you not let go to get your kid back,your wife,you mom. Remember,if you will,this is the man who is out in front of u.s. foriegn policy with a rifle in his hand and a ticket for the body bag lotto. You are saying the man you are asking to take a bullet for you may not be worth some fuckwad you have no clue about.
Imagine you are a recruiter talking to me and telling me that if I get captured you are going to try to find some three leged dog with herpes to trade for me instead of something my captors might actually want. You want me to sign where???

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/8/2014 11:06:16 AM   
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RE: Bergdahl - 6/8/2014 11:10:23 AM   
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Now it is up to his judges to determine his intent and any discussion up until then is just repetitive guessing when the facts are not known.

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/8/2014 11:41:35 AM   
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Why me... I only provided the code...I am not taking sides... there is no side to take when the facts of law are presented.

Now it is up to his judges to determine his intent and any discussion up until then is just repetitive guessing when the facts are not known.

Butch




All voters have is "guessing" or more correctly, speculation. Even Congress is being stonewalled at every step of the way by Obamas people (not just with this scandal, either). Its hard for anyone to know the facts when this is the least transparent administration ever, and when most members of the media are Obama sycophants who are more than glad to look the other way regardless of anything that the ruling elites in Washington do (so long as they are Democrats)

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/8/2014 11:52:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sanity I do wonder why Obama does not follow established procedures at times....especially when doing so would make things a lot easier diplomatically... But he is hardly alone or different than most every President of the past. I hope you are not claiming that Bush was more transparent.

There is no getting around the fact that Obama fucked up royal...not so much in what he did but how he went about it. Personally I have lost confidence in his decision making.

Guess is the proper word... No one I've read has said they are speculating... They are talking like they all know the facts of this case. ..Of course they don't but it does not stop them from claiming they do.

Butch

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/8/2014 11:58:32 AM   
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I'm not really sure what to make of this case, although I figure the legal eagles will churn this one around for a while.

A lot of people seem to be arguing technicalities, but I'm wondering what the deeper implications are to all of this. Did Bergdahl desert, and if so, why? If he deserted, would the Taliban still treat him as a prisoner? And why would he want to come back?

Of course, the other side of this is the Taliban prisoners who were released in exchange for Bergdahl. The implication here is that the US might have gotten the raw end of the deal, ostensibly trading high-ranking enemy officials for Bergdahl. But again, it's hard to say what's really going on here, since there seems to be more speculation than fact. I suppose anything is possible, especially in the world of cloak-and-dagger.



Right, we trade 5 generals for one enlisted and then pretend it is no threat because they can serve as infantry.

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/8/2014 12:02:34 PM   
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FR

I'm not really sure what to make of this case, although I figure the legal eagles will churn this one around for a while.

A lot of people seem to be arguing technicalities, but I'm wondering what the deeper implications are to all of this. Did Bergdahl desert, and if so, why? If he deserted, would the Taliban still treat him as a prisoner? And why would he want to come back?

Of course, the other side of this is the Taliban prisoners who were released in exchange for Bergdahl. The implication here is that the US might have gotten the raw end of the deal, ostensibly trading high-ranking enemy officials for Bergdahl. But again, it's hard to say what's really going on here, since there seems to be more speculation than fact. I suppose anything is possible, especially in the world of cloak-and-dagger.



If he deserted that would not automatically mean the Taliban would greet him with open arms.

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/8/2014 12:06:59 PM   
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He was engaged both in hazardous duty and important service.

Well there is that pipe line across afghanistan???I suppose to some, with an economic interest, would consider that to be an "important service"...Othere might think it the rambling of someone who's "gameboy"is broke.Important service my ass fuckin their women and stealin their shit...and yet you would have us percieve it as some rightous crusade to make the world a better place.


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RE: Bergdahl - 6/8/2014 12:23:58 PM   
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Back on topic (despite the troll), this sucks

Threats are being bade against Bergdal's family

http://www.idahostatesman.com/2014/06/07/3224205/threats-made-against-bergdahl.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+IdahostatesmancomLocalNews+%28IdahoStatesman.com+Local+News%29

Regardless of how one feels about it, this is a society based on laws (despite our lawless president) and the legal system is the proper venue for justice to be served

The family should not be attacked for his or Obama's actions.


No they shouldn't.

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/8/2014 1:03:11 PM   
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Of course if it was your ass in captivity you would tell the president not to trade those high grade individuals for your insignificant ass.

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/8/2014 1:10:50 PM   
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All voters have is "guessing" or more correctly, speculation. Even Congress is being stonewalled at every step of the way by Obamas people (not just with this scandal, either).


Which other ones???dont keep us in suspense

Its hard for anyone to know the facts when this is the least transparent administration ever,


Had you ever read a history book written for someone beyond the fifth grade you would know just how full of shit you are. American politics is so filled with this shit it is not even remotely funny. Unlike your myopic pretensions both parties are scum.

and when most members of the media are Obama sycophants


This would be your ignorant unsubstantiated opinion. Tell us who owns the media?Who owns the nyt? Who owns the washing post?Who owns the la times?


who are more than glad to look the other way regardless of anything that the ruling elites in Washington do (so long as they are Democrats)

Are there no rueling elites that are republicrats?

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/8/2014 2:14:24 PM   
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Did Bergdahl desert, and if so, why?


Yes, and it doesn't matter.

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If he deserted, would the Taliban still treat him as a prisoner?


Probably (and it doesn't matter).

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And why would he want to come back?


It doesn't matter (but his "commitment issues" are already pretty well known, non?


Maybe "it doesn't matter" when it comes to the technicalities and legalese, but it might be worth knowing just the same.

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/8/2014 2:20:01 PM   
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FR

I'm not really sure what to make of this case, although I figure the legal eagles will churn this one around for a while.

A lot of people seem to be arguing technicalities, but I'm wondering what the deeper implications are to all of this. Did Bergdahl desert, and if so, why? If he deserted, would the Taliban still treat him as a prisoner? And why would he want to come back?

Of course, the other side of this is the Taliban prisoners who were released in exchange for Bergdahl. The implication here is that the US might have gotten the raw end of the deal, ostensibly trading high-ranking enemy officials for Bergdahl. But again, it's hard to say what's really going on here, since there seems to be more speculation than fact. I suppose anything is possible, especially in the world of cloak-and-dagger.




Some are trying to make this case seem far more complicated than it is because the most obvious and the simplest explanation implies that our CIC has either gone completely mad, or he is a moron beyond belief

Or he has knowingly and willingly committed treason in addition to knowingly and willingly violating the prisoner release statute that he himself signed into law


Then it seems that it's a matter for the legal eagles in government to figure out and make a case. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/8/2014 2:40:08 PM   
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Then it seems that it's a matter for the legal eagles in government to figure out and make a case. I guess we'll have to wait and see.


It's a problem for the voters, who should punish everyone in elected office who has supported 0bama0 and his henchmen in any of their various shameful scandals (IRS, Benghazi, terrorists-for-traitor- Fast and Furiously Stupid, etc).

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/8/2014 2:47:32 PM   
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Of course, the other side of this is the Taliban prisoners who were released in exchange for Bergdahl. The implication here is that the US might have gotten the raw end of the deal, ostensibly trading high-ranking enemy officials for Bergdahl.

Which of the people in custody at gitmo would you not let go to get your kid back,your wife,you mom. Remember,if you will,this is the man who is out in front of u.s. foriegn policy with a rifle in his hand and a ticket for the body bag lotto. You are saying the man you are asking to take a bullet for you may not be worth some fuckwad you have no clue about.
Imagine you are a recruiter talking to me and telling me that if I get captured you are going to try to find some three leged dog with herpes to trade for me instead of something my captors might actually want. You want me to sign where???



Well, it's unlikely that I ever would have become a recruiter. I was turned down for military service when I tried to join, but I don't recall that the recruiter mentioned anything about what would happen if I got captured.

I get your general point that we don't want to leave anyone behind. But some here seem to be saying that we gave away too much. It's not really up to me to make that decision, but this is where the crux of this disagreement seems to stem from.



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RE: Bergdahl - 6/8/2014 3:17:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		I get your general point that we don't want to leave anyone behind. But some here seem to be saying that we gave away too much. It's not really up to me to make that decision, but this is where the crux of this disagreement seems to stem from.

You criticize me for being rude and then you post this disingenuous piece of shit as if you had no clue as to what is going on.
How much is your fucking life worth? All the punk assmotherfuckers in gitmo? Mine sure as fuck is. Yet we have morons, who for no other reason than to denigrate the party they are not part of, calling the president a traitor and you mimiking the same shit as if it had some shred of validity.
A little more honesty in your post might engender a little less animosity in mine.

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RE: Bergdahl - 6/8/2014 3:24:34 PM   
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But some here seem to be saying that we gave away too much.


If there is anyone in government who might be expected, on the basis of personal experience, to have 0bama0's back on the Bergdahl trade, it would have to be the Dims favorite RinoWhino, Sen John McCain. He speaks to the subject with the sort of moral authority few can match. He has said in no uncertain terms that had he been Commander in Chief, he would not have made the trade.

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