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Lashra -> RE: Do we really need men? (7/11/2006 7:30:08 AM)

You know what Benji? Your probably correct. They say diamonds are a woman's best friend, but I tell ya what...I think its her puppyboy[;)]

~Lashra



LadyJulieAnn -> RE: Do we really need men? (7/11/2006 7:31:26 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Caretakr

It's not about sex-it's about evil.
and none of us are immune to that.


I agree.

Be well,
Julie



aellea -> RE: Do we really need men? (7/11/2006 7:32:08 AM)

the fact that LaTigresse agreed with me, even indirectly has made my day!  i put a lot of credit into what she says and am grinning from ear to ear!  thank you Ma'am... thank you



Lashra -> RE: Do we really need men? (7/11/2006 7:35:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Jasmyn

Aellea nice post ... women need to stop seeing other women as competition (and yes am sure this statement will have a few people saying that they don't) but from a sociological point of view it is very common. 

But wouldn't you say that comes from the conditioning that  a woman needs a man to further herself financially and socially? Aren't most women taught to go after the richest guy they can instead of being taught to go to school and get rich themselves?

Yes men have a brotherhood and they stick together, women need to do the same thing. I'm not saying we need to have a sex war, people are totally reading the wrong things into what I wrote. What Im saying is we need to be equal partners for the good of the entire race and the planet.

~Lashra



mistressrose10 -> RE: Do we really need men? (7/11/2006 7:53:35 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MizSuz

Lashra,

I have felt pretty much all of the things you have listed for the reasons listed.  If I allow myself to further reflect, which I usually do if for no other reason than my upset deserves attention, I usually take the next step to "not all men are like that" and from there it's just a hop, skip and a jump to "who raised these men?"

I usually end up pissed off at women for assisting in the process.  We have the potential to wield significant power collectively and yet we rarely use it.  As a gross generalization, we have the power to influence the next generation more than men and yet we continue to create more of the same. 

So really, it's not a 'man' thing, it's a 'human' thing.  Change starts at home.

I realize that you're just venting (and I can totally get behind that), but you asked so I thought I'd share my process when feeling like you sound.  These are usually my next natural steps when I find myself feeling like you seem to.

I think the consensus here is that most women have felt the frustration that the OP expressed and it has nothing to do with PMS or who invented the wheel or can pee standing up.Those who digressed to vent about women competing with other women clearly missed the point.As a woman I see other women as sisters and while I might despise some and admire others I do not automatically want to compete with them!
The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world so women can take credit for all the so called male inventions as well as their trespasses.Women need to take a more proactive role in raising civilized children.This is where we will begin to see a more civilized world.



mistressrose10 -> RE: Do we really need men? (7/11/2006 8:06:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Noah


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ORIGINAL: Lashra

Let me start by saying I am having a bad day, so this is not a happy thread. I do not feel well, my arthritic back is acting up very badly, my gallbladder hurts and yes, it needs to be removed. I am also PMSing and yes, I own a gun   and no this has nothing to do with BDSM, it is just a frustrated Mistress letting off a bit of steam.

I made the mistake of listening to the news and it put me in an even worse state of mind then I was already in. The news story was about the rape of an Iraqi girl by American soldiers. Now I am not looking for political debate, an ethical debate or a religious one, or anything of that nature. I am not looking to flame or be flamed. I just want to bitch. I love men, so please do not think I am a man hater, for I am nothing of the kind. I have a male sub that I love with all my being.

It is just; when you as a woman look at the world today can you truly say that men have done a wonderful job in their so-called leadership roles? Am I the only one who some days wants to beat the living shit out of  nearly every alpha male she see's and not in a fun way?

Do you ever get sick and tired of hearing how women are supposed to be submissive to men and to let them rule things, when most of them cannot even rule a pet hamster?
Do you ever want to scream stop raping and killing us (and our children) because you believe that it is your God given right to do so, or just because your physically stronger/bigger (not always) that you can get away with it?
Do you ever want to physically bash some guy who has beaten and or abused his wife/girlfriend in some fashion, then justifies it by saying that the bible (or whatever religion/philosophy) says its ok?
Do you ever feel the urge to choke the life out of a proven child molester when you see them on the news?
Do you seethe when you hear that women do not need equal rights or control of their own bodies IE abortion?
Do you ever get angry with other women who seemingly blindly follow anything the patriarchal system instructs her too?

Do you ever feel that all the men should be gathered up and put into cages and only let out for breeding purposes and drone work?

~Lashra





...like a lot of other men and women I don't ask to be excused for my behaviors based upon the presence or absence of some stage of a menstrual cycle.

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Since Lashra has already responded to your rather pedantic response, we love to hear more about YOUR menstrual cycle.By the way I don't think she was asking your permission to behave in a certain way-merely expressing the frustration felt by many Dommes here.



mistressrose10 -> RE: Do we really need men? (7/11/2006 8:12:03 AM)



Do you ever feel that all the men should be gathered up and put into cages and only let out for breeding purposes and drone work?

~Lashra

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Hell no! I love the little darlings-who would follow me around, hang on my every word and do my bidding?



LaTigresse -> RE: Do we really need men? (7/11/2006 8:15:17 AM)

Mistressrose, I may have not typed my thoughts correctly then. I personally do not wish to be in competetiion with any woman. I don't even care for competetitive sports! What I was trying to express is that much of a woman's undoing today is of our own design based on the things we have been taught either directly or indirectly. Things that I think we all have a responsibility to change. Behaviours that I have witnessed that are negative ones for themselves, for those around them and for the children they are raising.
I have worked in a variety of work enviroments and I have to be honest I prefer working with all men based upon the behaviour of past co-workers.  I remember one job, 3 women ages 26ish to right around 40ish had a little clique going. A new woman came into the office and had the "horror of all horrors) of dressing quickly in a partially dark room so as not to wake her 2nd shift husband. She accidentally wore two different coloured socks. Now please, who has not done something like that?? Those three made that poor woman feel like a moron and never treated her decently again until she finally quit several months later. Several others of us tried to help her cope with their taunts and change the atmosphere but because of the MALE that ran the company and the status quo that he tollerated, and even encouraged, it was a worthless effort. That is a perfect example of the typical worst sort of behaviour among grown women. Sadly, all three of those women are raising girls. I am quite certain those children will assume that this behaviour is acceptable and even expected therefore in the fight to be "on top" in their little groups will exhibit similar bs. Hopefully they will get to a point that they make a concentrated effort to change that pattern of behaviour and not continue to pass it on.



LaTigresse -> RE: Do we really need men? (7/11/2006 8:30:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: aellea

the fact that LaTigresse agreed with me, even indirectly has made my day!  i put a lot of credit into what she says and am grinning from ear to ear!  thank you Ma'am... thank you


Noooo, thank YOU! That is a great compliment. I just feel like I am typing....blabbing away all the thoughts that run thru my brain and not sure if anyone can even make sense of them. It just helps me alot to get some of it out there in black and white so to speak to see if its making any sense to me or if I need to work on it alot more.



agirl -> RE: Do we really need men? (7/11/2006 8:31:27 AM)

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ORIGINAL: KarbonCopy

I find it funny that constantly women are looking at men in a dark light.


Im a man. I work hard, I provide for my household without question, I make sure my family is taken care of, and I have never even been in a fight.

I've never hit a woman, I've never raped anyone. Sure I've yelled, but so has she. Does that make me useless?

I contribute to society by helping in devolpment of our industries.

Should I be locked away and denied my right to live my life?

I resent the fact that all the rape, the abuse, the history of voilence and oppresion falls on my shoulders. Thats bullshit. Actually straight up ignorant.

Do I condone rape? no.
Do I condone abuse, even if she's being "insubordinant" as the argument usually goes? no.

Do I think people should work together regardless of sex? yes.

This whole, female superiority crap has to end. A person can be superior, not a gender. Look past your own nose for a change. Or stop watching TV, whichever will help you step out of your home and take another look at society.
Or mabey living in Canada has spoiled me.


Mabey I came off harsh in this post, but it erks me because I personally have a problem with older males. I always have even as a child. I couldnt even form a bond with my own drunk of a father.

But its because of these men, and their faults that have given me a role model of what not to be like. I have choices in my life to make myself, and I chose to be the better person.
I choose not to stop my girlfriend from going out because i'm a jealous asshole.
I choose to carry the grocieries up for her because I know they're heavy and thats my job.
I choose to open the pickle jars because I'm stronger.

We work together, with her rational mind she takes care of the finances, I take care of the work. Though she has a job, I work full time as a tradesman while we pay for her to go to school to better herself.

I dont drink in excess and make her unhappy like my father did to my mother.
I dont yell at her, throw shit around and punch holes in the wall so that she cries herself to sleep, like my father did to my mother ( he never hit her).
I am just as useful as any one of you, and I have just as much to contribute to society.


I'm not even going to go into the whole women are manipulative, and back-stabbing crap argument. I just wanted to say my peace, and mention one more thing.

I'd like to thank my mother who raised me as a single mother most of my life, and did her best with the little she had.



I also take into account that the OP was having a *bad day*........but am posting thus...

I see *bad things* happening around me in the world and don't contribute it to men. Believe it or not, women are participators in this world and how it's shaped.

Men are capable of doing things that women aren't inclined to, nor physically able to.......and vice-versa.

I have difficulty thinking of men as *marauding evil beasts*.

I get frustrated with how PEOPLE treat PEOPLE. How WE treat each other.

I don't exist in a place where women are *meant to be submissive*.....I do see SOME men expecting that........ but then I see SOME women treating men awfully badly too, in other ways.

I see a world that has armies that are primarily made up of males...I have mixed thoughts about war, fighting and the necessity for it, taking into account the world as it IS, not how I'd LIKE it to be.

I see societies and cultures where women SUPPORT atrocious behaviour by men, despite their inner feelings.  This is prevalent everywhere.

Like Karbon's mother...I am raising boys alone and am VERY aware that I have an enormous responsibility........to give them the drive to think and question accepted ideals. I cannot abdicate my contribution to the way they turn out.

I have known some idiot males, manipulative males, cruel, parasitic, petty and sheer unthinking males..........but I've known as many females that are similar.....females have just displayed it in different ways.

I LIKE male attributes, I LIKE the very thing that makes men, men......I like it in my sprogs, I LIKE it in my male friends.......I appreciate their maleness.....it's a balance to me.

I am fascinated by the fact that they are different, look different, smell different, behave differently.........I have borne 3 male sproglings.....I wouldn't want them to be anything but satisfied with their maleness......they ARE male......and they are members of this world WITH their masculinity as I am, with my femininity. They have power, SO do I.

Regards, agirl

















Jasmyn -> RE: Do we really need men? (7/11/2006 8:41:17 AM)

Mistress Rose, Lashra, La Tigress has pretty much covered how I feel on the topic too.  I have female friends that if it was every needed would give the shirts of their back or food from the cupboards if they felt someone need it, they have let me cry on their shoulders, listen when I'm feeling blue, listen to my jokes and be honest enough to tell me they weren't funny, but though they may not be competitive with me, I can see quite clearly, one or two are extremely competitive (with each other and with other women) when it comes to men and status (in social circles (not necessarily just financial/success but their perceived popularity as well, and whether the viewer interprets it as a good thing or a negative thing)).   Strong, beautiful, women who feel they are in competition with other women.  It's sad. 



thetammyjo -> RE: YES WE NEED MEN! (7/11/2006 8:45:06 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BlkTallFullfig

I figured since the boys aren't paying attention to the original post, and just reacting hurt to the question of whether we need them, I'd change it.
Yes, I need men, but I don't use the term loosely to describe all those born with a penis. M


*applaud*

What is that expression? Men are just boys with bigger toys?

I hate that expression because I think it encourages immaturity and low expectations.

Toys for adults can be great, don't get me wrong, but being an adult means having a certain level of maturity that I find lacking in the examples that the OP used.

I wanted to to say to those offended by the OP, I didn't read it as saying all males are this way but asking how femdom react to stories and encounters like that. I know that these sorts of stories make Tom and Fox very angry and they will say "He's not a man" when they encounter these things; I also know that sometimes it makes them very sad cause they know that others might look at them and think "could he do what that guy did".

I could ask how do you femdoms feel when you read a story about a woman who keeps having babies she can't support because its God's will, or who says women aren't equal to men, or who acts stupid to manipulate others. That isn't all women but I can say that for myself that when I encounter those women (in news or face-to-face) I have an urge to shake them and say "Stop it!" cause they offend me as they play into stereotypes that I frankly highly dislike, even hate.



Jasmyn -> RE: Do we really need men? (7/11/2006 8:51:35 AM)

Agirl, very nice post ... have a son, and nine older brothers, Dad, uncles galore ... and they fascinate me one and all  [:D] ... it is difficult for me to look at my son and think he's bad because he has a penis ... and of course I don't ... I love men, they fascinate, they aspire, they inspire, and as MistressRose said so well above, they are want to do ya bidding [;)] 



LaTigresse -> RE: YES WE NEED MEN! (7/11/2006 8:58:18 AM)

TammyJo, you bring up something that I had not given much thought to in this thread. I absolutely do! I get very upset at what I call "lifetime victim women".
 I may have mentioned my mom earlier in the thread but she was the perfect example of what I did NOT want to be. A woman that couldn't keep her legs together, married several guys she didn't love, kept having kids she could not take care of or financially support and blamed everyone but herself for the whole mess. I was fine with trying to raise my younger siblings but I drew the line at trying to raise her also. Ohhh, I just have to stop that line of thought I get too snarky and its not a positive.
But yeah, I do for some reason get upset when I see what you are talking about. I have great respect for any woman that perseveres against the odds, be they physical, financial or emotional, to ......become independent, get the college degree, raise her children alone, even be the finanical bread winner while her partner gets an education or parents the kids, whatever it is for her. Just accepting that responsibility and fighting for it rather than dragging out the excuse book for why they can't.
That is pretty awsome.



SCORPIOXXX -> RE: Do we really need men? (7/11/2006 8:59:20 AM)

THANK YOU agirl for putting some balance and perspective on this thread... Men-haters are no different than mysogynists, just as gender-bashers are no different than racists: you are all close-minded... Just because you ran into a bad apple or two doesn't mean you have to burn the whole barrel... Take that boulder of a chip off your shoulder!



Jasmyn -> RE: YES WE NEED MEN! (7/11/2006 9:10:00 AM)

TammyJo, to answer your question/s they aggravate the shite out of me! Live in hope though they'll maybe see the forest for the trees. 

Scorpioxxx I don't think any one person who has commented on this thread is closeminded or mysandrist. 



SCORPIOXXX -> RE: YES WE NEED MEN! (7/11/2006 9:18:00 AM)

Jasmyn, let's see now... This thread begins with the question: "Do we need men?" thereby dismissing the entire gender -- and you say the commentary against men is not close mined??!?!!?!!! Lol...



sleazybutterfly -> RE: YES WE NEED MEN! (7/11/2006 9:23:36 AM)

Of course we need men.. I don't know about anyone else..but I hate walking the dog at 2 am...uck!
 
I guess they are good for a few other things too....[;)]
 
Respectfully, Andrea



agirl -> RE: YES WE NEED MEN! (7/11/2006 9:30:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

TammyJo, you bring up something that I had not given much thought to in this thread. I absolutely do! I get very upset at what I call "lifetime victim women".
 I may have mentioned my mom earlier in the thread but she was the perfect example of what I did NOT want to be. A woman that couldn't keep her legs together, married several guys she didn't love, kept having kids she could not take care of or financially support and blamed everyone but herself for the whole mess. I was fine with trying to raise my younger siblings but I drew the line at trying to raise her also. Ohhh, I just have to stop that line of thought I get too snarky and its not a positive.
But yeah, I do for some reason get upset when I see what you are talking about. I have great respect for any woman that perseveres against the odds, be they physical, financial or emotional, to ......become independent, get the college degree, raise her children alone, even be the finanical bread winner while her partner gets an education or parents the kids, whatever it is for her. Just accepting that responsibility and fighting for it rather than dragging out the excuse book for why they can't.
That is pretty awsome.



Hello LaTigresse,

I have probably at some point or another, been very much a *victim*...at different TIMES. There are times when I've gone way along the path of strength but I am also aware that in different circumstances, I could very well have folded.

My sproglings have *raised* me in some ways......I'm not ashamed of that at all.

I DO have *reasons* for being an utter failure at times in my life......and I have also indulged in blaming too. In fact, I've been as good and as bad a mother/partner/person  as a human could be.

I think of the *what ifs?* many times....Would I BE this person I am now, if I hadn't had the good fortune to come across some incredible individuals, who touched my life in such a huge way?

Not everyone has the wherewithall to get past *bad things, negative things, destructive thinking*......sometimes it's a matter of circumstance.

Regards, agirl









Sekhemet -> RE: Do we really need men? (7/11/2006 9:39:36 AM)

Do We really need men?  Sure We do! and it has little to do with heavy lifting, or who else We'd yell at when We have PMS ... It has to do with the FACT that some of Us are adverse to dildos, and have never reached orgasm with a Sister.  My sexuality does not belong in Your ethical debate and yet there is is - firmly embedded smack in the middle of it, like it or not.  I will not be reduced to masturbating!!!!!
It has to do with the fact that those of us who advertise for femsubs - never get any replies, and we'd rather not be slaveless ...
It has to do with the fact that when the girls do appear they seldom cater to a Lady, but instead expect to be catered to.
It has to do with the fact that some of Us believe no Woman should ever be put on Her knees; that all men should serve, and all Women should be seen and accepted as the dominants they are.
It has to do with the fact that some of the COOLEST designers and creationists are men, granted a lot of them are queer - but they're still men.
It has to do with the fact some of us REALLY LIKE DOING CBT and We can't do it on another Babe, we NEED a boy for this!!!
It has to do with the fact that there is no feeling in the world like those strong loving arms wrapping around You, and rubbing Your nose in his chest hair, just before You bite him, hard! ...
It has to do with the fact that forced chastity is amusing to some of Us, and finding a CB3000 is far easier than managing a chastity belt.
It has to do with the loyalty and adoration factor ... boys simply tend to "speak" this one better ...
It has to do with the fact that a Woman dressed as a man is not nearly as amusing or comical as a man trying to be a girl.
It has to do with the fact that boys have a place too - Sometimes We're lost as to where, but they do have a place and purpose.    So long as they keep Us smiling and allow Us to play with the dangly bits ... I'm voting We keep them.  (In cages, in chastity, in chains, in-volved!)
XxoxX



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