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Justme696 -> RE: Do we really need men? (1/30/2008 3:18:47 AM)

yes we need men..else the human race will  be gone this century :P




LadyEllen -> RE: Do we really need men? (1/30/2008 4:41:15 AM)

nah - we dont need men

we have machines for all that heavy lifting, opening jars and such
we have genetic science to get around all that producing offspring thing
and we only need the protection of men from other men

but
those machines need fixing from time to time, and well, I'm not doing it - not in these shoes
and offspring tends to come out male as well as female and no one's going to give up her baby, whatever
and practicing to produce offspring is far more fun the old fashioned way
and whilst we deplore violence, we kinda like that air of potential for violence

so all in all, even if men arent needed, theyre wanted

and anyway, we'd have nothing to talk about and laugh over if they werent free to walk around, making at times a nuisance or spectacle of themselves

just as long as I dont have to be one!

E




atursvcMaam -> RE: Do we really need men? (1/30/2008 8:08:50 AM)

Dear Ms. Lashra,
        if nothing else men are great fodder in which to place the ills of the world.
        if men were all under control where would Your anger move?
        some of these things would still exist, while one might eliminate rapists and wife beaters, not all men are s--theads (i could be wrong on this one) and according to what i have been told, not all women are victims.
         i hope that You have the best day that You have ever had in Your life, and realize that every day that You wake up has that potential. 
                                  atursvcmaam




hands0n0knees -> RE: Do we really need men? (1/30/2008 10:46:55 AM)

And do we really need blacks?  I can't see why.




LadyEllen -> RE: Do we really need men? (1/30/2008 12:29:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: hands0n0knees

And do we really need blacks?  I can't see why.


what I really need is an explanation for your post

E




mhawk -> RE: Do we really need men? (1/30/2008 1:07:41 PM)





actually in regards to surnames of the mother being passed to a child,that was done by Celtic women to their daughters,some still do so today.

an as far as Lasha was mentioning,sometimes yes i do agree that mostmen would not be able to endure what  we as women have to go through in life no matter who or what our background may be. i mean could a man honestly go through child birth?hell no, we barely can and some don't make it at all.what do we hear when women are raped,most of the time it's "she was in the wrong place,wearing the wrong thing" (sick of that standard). so yeah, as another woman i can definately understand where you are coming form.






rick19 -> RE: Do we really need men? (1/30/2008 1:41:24 PM)

I don't like speaking for other people, but what handsonknees  was trying to say is that substitute anything else for "men" and it would be considered hate speech, and the reactions would be different. Women love to say how much men suck, and you want to know something? I find it pretty sad that these women demand respect, while not respecting us in return, or thinking that men were put on this planet so they don't have to change the tires on their car. Judging by the replies to this thread (and other man bashing threads on collarme), it seems like all men are in the eyes of most women are walking wallets or beasts of burden.

quote:

so all in all, even if men arent needed, theyre wanted


I think not.




hands0n0knees -> RE: Do we really need men? (1/30/2008 1:41:36 PM)

LadyEllen, 100% cognitive failure.

mhawk, just to whet your appetite: http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/14757




hands0n0knees -> RE: Do we really need men? (1/30/2008 1:49:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rick19

I don't like speaking for other people, but what handsonknees  was trying to say is that substitute anything else for "men" and it would be considered hate speech, and the reactions would be different. Women love to say how much men suck, and you want to know something? I find it pretty sad that these women demand respect, while not respecting us in return, or thinking that men were put on this planet so they don't have to change the tires on their car. Judging by the replies to this thread (and other man bashing threads on collarme), it seems like all men are in the eyes of most women are walking wallets or beasts of burden.

quote:

so all in all, even if men arent needed, theyre wanted


I think not.



Do not waste more than a line of your words on any of them, sir.  Just asking them to explain and justify the pertinent term in the question ('Do we really need men?') would result in nothing but misunderstanding, headaches, furrowing of wrinkled brows, and a verbal effluent of the most vile order.  Without an illumination there, it is all just directionless rambling.

There is a little humour to be had in sexism, but most people 'writing' (has ever the art of language been so abused?) in this thread have gone beyond it.  I am tempted to suggest that there is something ulterior that brings this small minority into the arena of BDSM, but I do not expect a reasoned enough reply to reward my effort.




LadyEllen -> RE: Do we really need men? (1/30/2008 1:52:28 PM)

Thanks for the explanation Rick

You see, this is what happens when you transition to female and start swallowing HRT like candy - suddenly, nothing a male says makes any sense.

But we do like having you around, you know? Gossiping about the stuff you say and do, and what it could possibly be about, makes our lives far more interesting.

If we didnt like you being around we'd not be having this conversation after all. You have to sleep sometimes, and we all know what makes a man sleep soundly.....

E




hands0n0knees -> RE: Do we really need men? (1/30/2008 2:03:59 PM)

I dare say you are often bewildered during conversation with both men and women.  I'm not a physiologist, but I don't think hormones affect reading comprehension and intellect, so perhaps you should consult your library before you do your doctor.




Aswad -> RE: Do we really need men? (1/30/2008 2:13:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lashra

I made the mistake of listening to the news and it put me in an even worse state of mind then I was already in.


Never a good idea.

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It is just; when you as a woman look at the world today can you truly say that men have done a wonderful job in their so-called leadership roles?


Has either gender? If it's a big deal, take over.

Anyway... we've got men and women in top government positions up here, and have for the past couple of decades at least. Some men do an absolutely horrid job. Some women do an absolutely excellent job. And vice versa. I've got nothing but respect for a woman in a high position, unless she's there on quota (a significant problem up here).

The cure for the whole gender divide is to look at individuals and merit, rather than gender and status.

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Am I the only one who some days wants to beat the living shit out of  nearly every alpha male she see's and not in a fun way?


The only (purportedly) alpha male I want to beat the living shit out of on some days, is myself.

Which is not to say that I'd be opposed to see some of the more aggressive betas ground to pulp if they don't quiet down.

quote:

Do you ever get sick and tired of hearing how women are supposed to be submissive to men and to let them rule things, when most of them cannot even rule a pet hamster?


Yup. Hamster first. Then (wo)men. [:D]

quote:

Do you ever want to scream stop raping and killing us (and our children) because you believe that it is your God given right to do so, or just because your physically stronger/bigger (not always) that you can get away with it?


Not really. I got no less pissed when three gals had a go at raping a skinny nerd, videotaping it and getting away with it because they were women. They even got to keep the video-tape of the whole thing (which was released from evidence after the trial). After all, women are supposed to have it both ways: equitable treatment (yes, I know, we have a ways to go on that), traditional privileges of their gender, and being perceived as innocent angels and perfect mothers.

quote:

Do you ever want to physically bash some guy who has beaten and or abused his wife/girlfriend in some fashion, then justifies it by saying that the bible (or whatever religion/philosophy) says its ok?


Speaking as a priest: yes, I get that urge.

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Do you ever feel the urge to choke the life out of a proven child molester when you see them on the news?


Usually not. Vigilantism doesn't seem to work; nor does perpetuating the cycle of violence and abuse improve things.
I've seen women do the same thing, though; difference is people don't think they do, so they walk.

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Do you seethe when you hear that women do not need equal rights or control of their own bodies IE abortion?


I get pissed at the notion of inequitable treatment for either gender.
Do you ever seethe when a man can't get a restraining order against a woman?
Or when the courts consistently rule that the mother should have the child and half of everything?
Or when some women insist that killing unborn children as a matter of convenience is their birthright as women?

quote:

Do you ever get angry with other women who seemingly blindly follow anything the patriarchal system instructs her too?


Yup. And, again, the same thing with regard to men.

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Do you ever feel that all the men should be gathered up and put into cages and only let out for breeding purposes and drone work?


No, but rants like this one make me think some women should be leashed for the common good of both genders.

Fortunately, it's rare that I see the kind of unthinking justification of Schopenhauers despicable views of women that you've demonstrated here. It's on rare days like this I see what brand of woman can make some men make such horrid generalizations, that this mythical beast is not so mythical after all. I'm very glad that they appear to be rather rare, although it's sad that they occur.

Of course, those comments are only applicable insofar as there is substance to your views.

Health,
al-Aswad.




Aswad -> RE: Do we really need men? (1/30/2008 2:19:01 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Justme696

yes we need men..else the human race will  be gone this century :P


That is not a valid argument. It is trivial to use IXI to fertilize the ovum without the presence of men, although you'd want to occasionally let a male foetus be carried to term, in order to refresh the supply. Such ideas have been a mainstay of a certain brand of feminist utopian science fiction for a long time. Men, on the other hand, will need regular women until in-vitro gestation has been perfected and genetic selection allows them to be "custom ordered."

Personally, I have a strong preference for keeping both genders around, just as I prefer to avoid sexism- both brands of it.

Health,
al-Aswad.




Aswad -> RE: Do we really need men? (1/30/2008 2:20:17 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: atursvcMaam

and according to what i have been told, not all women are victims.


I hope you intend to pass that tidbit on to others; some have apparently not heard.

Health,
al-Aswad.




ShaktiSama -> RE: Do we really need men? (1/30/2008 2:20:23 PM)

handsOnknees:  100% social skills, compassion, common sense, and "knowledge of the real world and its issues" failure.  [:'(]





Aswad -> RE: Do we really need men? (1/30/2008 2:24:59 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: hands0n0knees

And do we really need blacks?  I can't see why.


They're exactly as necessary as men are, or as women will be in a couple of decades.

LadyEllen: Point being, it's a slippery slope, and women have a higher capacity for violence than men (on average) and are more likely to let that slippery slope get drenched in the blood of whatever triggers their emotional buttons (on average)... If you doubt it, consider that the Cambrians slaughtered every last one of their children when the battle against the Romans didn't go their way, for instance... Or that one of the best snipers in recorded history was a woman, clocking nearly 400 kills. Or that a significant percentage of the violence against the Jews during the Holocaust was perpetrated by women such as Die Büchenwald Hexe, etc.

This thread is downright depressing:

Have women learned nothing from the (innumerable) mistakes men have made?

Health,
al-Aswad.




Aswad -> RE: Do we really need men? (1/30/2008 2:26:48 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

You see, this is what happens when you transition to female and start swallowing HRT like candy - suddenly, nothing a male says makes any sense.


Conversely, when your hormones fuck up as if you were chomping HRT, and you already failed to identify with one gender, nothing anyone says makes any sense...

Imagine your own situation, then apply it to both genders, and you have mine...

Health,
al-Aswad.




Aswad -> RE: Do we really need men? (1/30/2008 2:29:09 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: hands0n0knees

I'm not a physiologist, but I don't think hormones affect reading comprehension and intellect, so perhaps you should consult your library before you do your doctor.


They do.

Transitioning to a female hormonal profile leads to drops in cognitive ability, spatial perception and memory.

I've been tracking my own decline and attempting to counter, but patching my hormones is the only thing that really counters it.

Health,
al-Aswad.




hands0n0knees -> RE: Do we really need men? (1/30/2008 2:30:06 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: ShaktiSama

handsOnknees:  100% social skills, compassion, common sense, and "knowledge of the real world and its issues" failure.  [:'(]




I don't cast any of those pearls before swine.  And if you think any of the voices offering even a modicum of support or sympathy for the OP's motion are anything less than swine, count yourself among 'em.




Lucylastic -> RE: Do we really need men? (1/30/2008 2:32:17 PM)

I havent read the responses yet Lashra, but right here and now and for similar reasons, I have to say a huge resounding YES to all your questions, it buggs the hell out of me somedays..Ive been married for 23 years to a wonderful guy and have two male replicants and I love the stuffing out of them, I am NOT a man hater by any stretch of the imagination but sometimes ooooooooooooooh I get agitated beyond belief over the dick waving and chest thumping attitudes of some men and the historical and still pervasive patriarchal shit.
Im betting others have said similar to me, and others will disagree, but its just my thoughts and im  leaving some chocolate to share
Lucy
Edited to add: Well bugger....I didnt realise the post was old.....still leaving some chocolate tho




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