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Musicmystery -> RE: Obama's Child Refugee Flood (6/11/2014 6:09:31 AM)
OK there sparky -- what do YOU propose he do with these kids? And you're the one shrilling away here . . . precisely because the shoe is on the other foot. I can't imagine what tax laws and the Teas have to do with this topic. I thought you wanted to stick to it? Except in your own posts, of course.

Sanity -> RE: Obama's Child Refugee Flood (6/11/2014 6:24:23 AM)
How about this wild idea - he does his job as president, and enforces the law uniformly, just like every other president before him. Cease and desist from luring them here in the first place purely for political gain... Besides, what is HE doing with them. Dumping them on city streets, warehousing them on military bases in deteriorating conditions, even potentially violating child abuse statutes. We cannot afford the social programs we already have, on so many levels. Where is the money to fix the VA for example, Obama's shiny model for Obamacare. This practice of beckoning Central American families to ship their unattended minor children to the Southern United States is simply madness for many reasons, and its not just the lack of funding to properly care for them at issue, but the humanitarian issue is probably right at the top Waves of child refugees, literally Gee thanks Barack

Musicmystery -> RE: Obama's Child Refugee Flood (6/11/2014 6:25:46 AM)
Lots of ranting. No answer about what should he do with these kids. Ya got nothing. Just like Congress. Lots of whining. No solutions.

thompsonx -> RE: Obama's Child Refugee Flood (6/11/2014 6:27:07 AM)
ORIGINAL: Sanity The topic is border security and this president choosing to subvert the law of the land for political purposes. Why have borders, after all? Which president in the past 20 years has deported the most illegal aliens? So we can be a sovereign nation of laws. And why have laws, why send a Congress to Washington to pass laws if they're only going to be selectively enforced. 51/50 has yet to be enforced on you...should we change that? Another example of the selective enforcement aspect of the topic - should it really be more illegal for Tea Party groups to dance around tax laws than leftist groups? Your reference fails since your posse was the one found to have their hand in the cookie jar.

thompsonx -> RE: Obama's Child Refugee Flood (6/11/2014 6:28:44 AM)
The part where our constitution once served to separate us from banana republics When was that?

cloudboy -> RE: Obama's Child Refugee Flood (6/11/2014 6:32:25 AM)
Deferred Action is one of the best things OBAMA's ever done. I thank God every day for it. The Republicans fillibustered the actual bill (The DREAM ACT) that had 54 votes in the Senate so no actual law could be enacted. Immigration is the key to our Nation's economic recovery -- and reform would give a serious boost to the housing sector which lacks for new households and buyers. The CATO institute, Jeb Bush, and Business Republicans and evangelicals want immigration reform now.

thompsonx -> RE: Obama's Child Refugee Flood (6/11/2014 6:38:54 AM)
ORIGINAL: Sanity How about this wild idea - he does his job as president, and enforces the law uniformly, just like every other president before him. Now that is a real plate of turds. Cease and desist from luring them here in the first place purely for political gain... Those who have crossed the border illegally are typically doing so for a better economic future...so because our economy is doing so well ,others risk their life to get here. That is the big eared fuckers fault? The big eared fucker made the economy so prosperous that people cross the border illegally to take advantage of that. The big eared fucker in the white house made the economy prosper just to entice illegal aliens. Dude you are a fucking moron. Besides, what is HE doing with them. Dumping them on city streets, warehousing them on military bases in deteriorating conditions, even potentially violating child abuse statutes. This would be your ignorant unsubstantiated opiinion. We cannot afford the social programs we already have, on so many levels. Sure we can...if we have enough money to pour down the piss hole in the sand box we can find some scraps for these hungry children that you want to grind up into dog food. Where is the money to fix the VA for example, In the pockets of the punkassmotherfuckers on corporate welfare. Obama's shiny model for Obamacare. This practice of beckoning Central American families to ship their unattended minor children to the Southern United States is simply madness for many reasons, and its not just the lack of funding to properly care for them at issue, but the humanitarian issue is probably right at the top You did mention that he built the u.s. economy so brilliantly that it becons all[8\|] Waves of child refugees, literally Wouldn't "hoards" be more rhetorically effective? Gee thanks Barack You should probably be on your knees when you say that.

Sanity -> RE: Obama's Child Refugee Flood (6/11/2014 6:39:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Lots of ranting. No answer about what should he do with these kids. Ya got nothing. Just like Congress. Lots of whining. No solutions. What to do with Obama's child refugee flood is a side issue, not the main issue. It would be nice if the man who you constantly compare to Dick Nixon, Dick Cheney and George Bush would stem the tide by announcing that henceforth he would be once again enforcing our immigration laws PERIOD And for perhaps the first time in his life mean what he says in his pretty little speech

Sanity -> RE: Obama's Child Refugee Flood (6/11/2014 6:40:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy Deferred Action is one of the best things OBAMA's ever done. I thank God every day for it. The Republicans fillibustered the actual bill (The DREAM ACT) that had 54 votes in the Senate so no actual law could be enacted. Immigration is the key to our Nation's economic recovery -- and reform would give a serious boost to the housing sector which lacks for new households and buyers. The CATO institute, Jeb Bush, and Business Republicans and evangelicals want immigration reform now. Deferred action is the cause of this child refugee flood Why do you hate the children, cloudboy

Musicmystery -> RE: Obama's Child Refugee Flood (6/11/2014 6:45:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Lots of ranting. No answer about what should he do with these kids. Ya got nothing. Just like Congress. Lots of whining. No solutions. What to do with Obama's child refugee flood is a side issue, not the main issue. It would be nice if the man who you constantly compare to Dick Nixon, Dick Cheney and George Bush would stem the tide by announcing that henceforth he would be once again enforcing our immigration laws PERIOD And for perhaps the first time in his life mean what he says in his pretty little speech If what to do with these kids isn't the main issue, then why is the thread about that? Why all the fuss from the right and from the joke called the Arizona legislature? Why all the flurry in the conservative media? You don't like what he's doing. OK. Fair enough. But you also have literally NO idea what to do instead. Armchair quarterbacking in it's purist form. The Deporter in Chief has been doing more about this than recent presidents, and immigrant population is down from it's over 12 million high. If you're not just going to shoot them, or send them back to starve and die, then you're going to have to process them, which means housing, food, legal fees.

mnottertail -> RE: Obama's Child Refugee Flood (6/11/2014 7:10:38 AM)
Deferred action is not the cause of this, you have to fill out forms and whatnot, yanno, gubmint burohcrasy, an one of those burohcrasy thingabobmajigs is that you have resided here 5 years, are currently in school, graduated school, or are an honorably discharged veteran of the US. So, looks like nutsacker hysteria and lies as is the usual. And there is a very wide latitude in immigration regulation which is set by policy and has been since christ was a corporal, even the nutsacker presidents have done that. Here is a snippet from a supreme court decision (can you guess which one?) ARIZONA ET AL. v. UNITED STATES (a hint for you) 1. The Federal Government’s broad, undoubted power over immigration and alien status rests, in part, on its constitutional power to“establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization,” Art. I, §8, cl. 4, and on its inherent sovereign power to control and conduct foreign relations, see Toll v. Moreno, 458 U. S. 1, 10. Federal governance is extensive and complex. Among other things, federal law specifies categories of aliens who are ineligible to be admitted to the United States, 8 U. S. C. §1182; requires aliens to register with the Federal Government and to carry proof of status, §§1304(e), 1306(a); imposes sanctions on employers who hire unauthorized workers, §1324a; and specifies which aliens may be removed and the procedures for doing so, see §1227. Removal is a civil matter, and one of its principal features is the broad discretion exercised by immigration officials, who must decide whether to pursue removal at all. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), an agency within the Department of Homeland Security, is responsible for identifying, apprehending, and removing illegal aliens. It also operates the Law Enforcement Support Center,which provides immigration status information to federal, state, and local officials around the clock. 1. The Federal Government’s broad, undoubted power over immigration and alien status rests, in part, on its constitutional power to“establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization,” Art. I, §8, cl. 4, and onits inherent sovereign power to control and conduct foreign relations, see Toll v. Moreno, 458 U. S. 1, 10. Federal governance is extensive and complex. Among other things, federal law specifies categories of aliens who are ineligible to be admitted to the United States, 8 U. S. C. §1182; requires aliens to register with the Federal Government and to carry proof of status, §§1304(e), 1306(a); imposes sanctions on employers who hire unauthorized workers, §1324a; and specifies which aliens may be removed and the procedures for doing so, see §1227. Removal is a civil matter, and one of its principal features is the broad discretion exercised by immigration officials, who must decide whether to pursue removal at all. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), an agency within the Department of Homeland Security, is responsible for identifying, apprehending, and removing illegal aliens. It also operates the Law Enforcement Support Center,which provides immigration status information to federal, state, and local officials around the clock. (Because it bears repeating, those who are unaware of history are doomed to be nutsackers)

Zonie63 -> RE: Obama's Child Refugee Flood (6/11/2014 8:10:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Our lawless president: Obama picks and chooses which laws to enforce, setting a dangerous precedent... Of course, many leftists will love this, up until its a Conservative president doing the same thing. For this thread I have chosen a topic illustrative of this trend. Currently Barack Obama has caused a mass influx of child refugees to flood over our southern border with his decision to ignore our immigration laws http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/10/migrants-shipped-arizona-border/10269915/ http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2653811/Obama-opens-military-base-deal-flood-illegal-child-immigrants-officials-insist-cared-despite-abuse-allegations.html http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Texas/2014/06/10/Illegal-Immigrant-Children-Reportedly-Sickened-By-Food Its extremely odd that any president would so flagrantly violate the laws of the land (see also the Bergdal case, wherein the president violated a law that he himself signed requiring him to notify congress 30 days in advance of any GTMO detainee release, etc) especially during an election year My question for the thread is, what purpose does this wave, this flood of child refugees serve the left - especially if it costs them several Senate seats, or even the Senate itself I don't think this serves the left. With the way illegal immigration has been dealt with in this country overall for the past several decades, it seems to serve the business community and their interests far more than any other portion of society. That's where the issue gets more politically complicated and messy, and "left" and "right" don't really mean all that much when looking at the big picture. In this case, these kids are like orphans left on our doorstep. From what I've read, most aren't even from Mexico, but from Central American countries. They're victims in an ongoing process which has been going on for decades - perhaps even longer, depending on how one looks at it. The overall problem at hand was not caused by the present Administration, although I don't think they can be blamed for trying to find food and shelter for lost children. Yes, it probably could have been organized better. Nogales is not exactly a booming metropolis, and it seems that facility may not have been quite ready enough to accommodate the influx of all those children. No doubt the food sucks and the facilities are poor, but they say they're working on it. One article you linked mentioned allegations of abuse, and those allegations should be fully investigated, realizing that the Border Patrol's overall record isn't entirely clean in this regard. But for the most part, the left strongly condemns police brutality and poor treatment of children. There's an article here locally where they're talking about opening up a shelter, but they're having problems with zoning regulations. I hope they can find some better accommodations for them. Nogales is a pretty horrid place. I don't know if the President himself actually picks the place to send them, or if that's decided at a lower level. Overall, I think we may have to look at this issue from a more "continental" perspective. A lot of conflicting issues at work here, and a lot of it goes back centuries - not just our own history, but the history of Mexico, Central America, and how we all became independent and developed into the current situation we have now. If either the left or the right wants to propose any lasting solutions, at the very least, they should be honest enough to admit how the problem got started in the first place. Meanwhile, if we have thousands of hungry kids who need a bath, shelter, medical care, then that's what we have. I think we have some moral responsibility to take care of their basic needs, and it's also an international issue, as they are citizens of other countries with whom we have diplomatic relations and who have an interest in the welfare of these children and their families. They're not "banana republics" anymore - that's not how they're viewed these days. It's not like the old days of United Fruit when we considered Latin America to be our own backyard and we could do whatever we wanted down there. The international situation has changed, and the political forces of the United States will need to adjust to a changing world - or get left behind.

Politesub53 -> RE: Obama's Child Refugee Flood (6/11/2014 3:58:02 PM)
Speaking of George Bush...... Anyone else consider helping child refugees is better than starting an illegal war, which happens to have made lives for ordinaryy Iraqis a thousand times worse. Only the right wing nutjobs could piss and moan that helping these kids is illegal.

Zonie63 -> RE: Obama's Child Refugee Flood (6/12/2014 11:57:19 AM)
FR The city of Tucson issued a temporary permit to allow Southwest Key to open up a shelter for immigrant children, at least so they won't be held up by zoning regulations. Further on the allegations of abuse of immigrant children by CBP. However, the Santa Cruz County Sheriff visited the facility and said "They are taking good care of these kids." The last link also had a table on the side indicating where the children are actually coming from: quote: Unaccompanied minors in Nogales Number of children being held in the Nogales Placement Center as of June 9 by nationality: 380: Guatemala 351: El Salvador 342: Honduras 7: Ecuador 6: India 4: Nicaragua 1: Peru Source: Guatemalan Consulate in Phoenix None of them are from Mexico, but what struck me is that 6 are from India! I also find it interesting that the media have to get this information from a foreign consulate, since the Federal government isn't saying much.

Sanity -> RE: Obama's Child Refugee Flood (6/12/2014 2:20:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Speaking of George Bush...... Anyone else consider helping child refugees is better than starting an illegal war, which happens to have made lives for ordinaryy Iraqis a thousand times worse. Only the right wing nutjobs could piss and moan that helping these kids is illegal. "Ordinary Iraqis" endured actual, REAL illegal wars under Saddam Hussein. They were massacred, they suffered mass torture and maiming in several special torture prisons set up by Saddam Hussein, they were forced to watch as their wives, mothers and daughters were systematically raped in a horrific manner by Saddams sons and squads of professional rapists... Which in Islam, once a woman is raped... Well, you know. And no one is suggesting that "helping" the flood of child refugees is wrong or illegal, you don't understand the issue being discussed here, which that makes you ignorant and turns the table very nicely on you and your "nutjobs" accusation. The issue is that Obama has issued a Royal decree forcing federal law enforcement officers to ignore the immigration laws they swore to uphold. They call it his "Dream" decree Such orders by a president are illegal, and this particular one is causing a massive humanitarian crisis as unaccompanied children are being sent here by their families in hopes that Obama will make them citizens, and then also make their extended families citizens as well These children are being used by their families and by Obama, and they travel at great risk from the criminal "Coyotes" who are hired to transport them and from many of the other severe dangers they encounter along the way All for purely political gain in the form of more Democrat votes

mnottertail -> RE: Obama's Child Refugee Flood (6/12/2014 2:25:25 PM)
quote: The issue is that Obama has issued a Royal decree forcing federal law enforcement officers to ignore the immigration laws they swore to uphold. They call it his "Dream" decree Such orders by a president are illegal, and this particular one is causing a massive humanitarian crisis as unaccompanied children are being sent here by their families in hopes that Obama will make them citizens, and then also make their extended families citizens as well As I have so trivially demonstrated this is pure, untutored, unfactual nutsacker hysteria and slobbering at its dipshittedest. LOL. There is no issue.

Politesub53 -> RE: Obama's Child Refugee Flood (6/12/2014 4:35:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Speaking of George Bush...... Anyone else consider helping child refugees is better than starting an illegal war, which happens to have made lives for ordinaryy Iraqis a thousand times worse. Only the right wing nutjobs could piss and moan that helping these kids is illegal. "Ordinary Iraqis" endured actual, REAL illegal wars under Saddam Hussein. They were massacred, they suffered mass torture and maiming in several special torture prisons set up by Saddam Hussein, they were forced to watch as their wives, mothers and daughters were systematically raped in a horrific manner by Saddams sons and squads of professional rapists... Which in Islam, once a woman is raped... Well, you know. And no one is suggesting that "helping" the flood of child refugees is wrong or illegal, you don't understand the issue being discussed here, which that makes you ignorant and turns the table very nicely on you and your "nutjobs" accusation. The issue is that Obama has issued a Royal decree forcing federal law enforcement officers to ignore the immigration laws they swore to uphold. They call it his "Dream" decree Such orders by a president are illegal, and this particular one is causing a massive humanitarian crisis as unaccompanied children are being sent here by their families in hopes that Obama will make them citizens, and then also make their extended families citizens as well These children are being used by their families and by Obama, and they travel at great risk from the criminal "Coyotes" who are hired to transport them and from many of the other severe dangers they encounter along the way All for purely political gain in the form of more Democrat votes A big fucking yawn........ Yes Obama is only helping the kids for votes, how silly of me not to be as cynical as you. My nutjobs accusation still stands and is aimed squarely at ...... nutjobs. Go figure.

Sanity -> RE: Obama's Child Refugee Flood (6/20/2014 1:11:57 PM)
Time for leftists to begin screaming from the mountain tops that "polls don't mean anything" because the Dems are in free fall

mnottertail -> RE: Obama's Child Refugee Flood (6/20/2014 1:19:39 PM)
LOL, did you read that fucking thing? Do the numbers? That will be fixed, it is as innumerate and useless as any common nutsacker is.

Musicmystery -> RE: Obama's Child Refugee Flood (6/20/2014 9:06:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Time for leftists to begin screaming from the mountain tops that "polls don't mean anything" because the Dems are in free fall Free fall? It's higher now than in 2011 where the graph starts . . . [8\|] And meanwhile, we have this free fall . . . [image]http://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/vg5ws0dfheibscpzx_rd2w.png[/image]

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