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Sanity -> RE: Obama's Child Refugee Flood (6/30/2014 2:58:24 PM)

Let's see...

Do leftists raid the treasury to buy poor peoples' votes?

Check.

Are King barack's refugees uneducated and desperately poor?

Check.

Are they coming here because the King ignores existing law?

Again, check.




Musicmystery -> RE: Obama's Child Refugee Flood (6/30/2014 3:19:22 PM)

Definitely, you need to go check again.




Sanity -> RE: Obama's Child Refugee Flood (6/30/2014 3:39:58 PM)

The sad part is how leftists get people addicted to said government handouts

With women, children, the elderly, minorities and the poor (as always with leftist policies) being hardest hit




mnottertail -> RE: Obama's Child Refugee Flood (6/30/2014 3:56:28 PM)

See, I was reading the constitution, and have seen that these handouts are at record levels simultaneously in the media.

Guess who spends the money (and borrows) for it?

You got it 'rightists'.




Musicmystery -> RE: Obama's Child Refugee Flood (6/30/2014 4:06:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity

The sad part is how leftists get people addicted to said government handouts

With women, children, the elderly, minorities and the poor (as always with leftist policies) being hardest hit

Don't be silly. We're all secretly wealthy.




Sanity -> RE: Obama's Child Refugee Flood (6/30/2014 6:17:44 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
Don't be silly. We're all secretly wealthy.


Your ruling class is, but its no secret




Musicmystery -> RE: Obama's Child Refugee Flood (6/30/2014 7:36:25 PM)

I'm doing fine, anyway.




Sanity -> RE: Obama's Child Refugee Flood (7/1/2014 11:18:08 AM)

Here's your REAL fix - heavily fine and imprison anyone guilty of hiring an "undocumented guest" or whatever the PC term du joir is

Or at the very least elect a Commander-In-Chief who does his job and enforces the laws that are already in place, rather than make up his own




mnottertail -> RE: Obama's Child Refugee Flood (7/1/2014 11:26:25 AM)

We agree on draconian fines for and long imprisonment for employers.

Obama is enforcing the laws in place as well as directing policy distinctions as is his right.

Again, quit living in nutsacker land, and saying stupid shit that isn't based in fact and reality. I have given you the historical ratio decidendi from SCOTUS in the AZ v US previously, which I will reiterate for the illiterate.


ARIZONA ET AL. v. UNITED STATES

1. The Federal Government’s broad, undoubted power over immigration and alien status rests, in part, on its constitutional power to“establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization,” Art. I, §8, cl. 4, and onits inherent sovereign power to control and conduct foreign relations, see Toll v. Moreno, 458 U. S. 1, 10. Federal governance is extensive and complex. Among other things, federal law specifies categories of aliens who are ineligible to be admitted to the United States, 8 U. S. C. §1182; requires aliens to register with the Federal Government and to carry proof of status, §§1304(e), 1306(a); imposes sanctions on employers who hire unauthorized workers, §1324a; and specifies which aliens may be removed and the procedures for doing so, see §1227. Removal is a civil matter, and one of its principal features is the broad discretion exercised by immigration officials, who must decide whether to pursue removal at all. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), an agency within the Department of Homeland Security, is responsible for identifying, apprehending, and removing illegal aliens. It also operates the Law Enforcement Support Center,which provides immigration status information to federal, state, and local officials around the clock.

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AQRMZ -> RE: Obama's Child Refugee Flood (7/2/2014 6:37:14 AM)

from craigs rants and raves.


It's too late !
And it has been, for a long time, for anything to "REALLY" change.
It's all about the money people !
Someone (not cartels) but US business, somewhere, is making big bucks on this "Now a humanitarian crisis. Bet on it.
The U.S. doesn't let anything happen, that it does not want to happen.
The U.S. allowing this , for some reason.
I firmly believe that.
It's all Television sonny boy........ just television.

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Re: WE ALL BETTER WAKE UP AND QUICK! (All over) - 50 (Austin)

age : 50
If we don't then the USA will become a Third World Country.
The Senate recently approved $2 Billion this year (2014) to take care of the illegal immigrants crossing the border (last year in 2013 was about $900 million). The US has Veteran's and homeless US Citizen's that need assistance.
The US spends $1 Billion per year protecting the Mexico Border but they let illegal immigrant's cross over and usually give them Amnesty (unless they're a Terrorist or Criminal).
It cost US Citizen's approximately $10,000 per year for each illegal immigrant student attending K-12 Grades. Notice the higher increase on your Property Taxes (or Rent).
They have Health Clinics specifically set up to treat illegal immigrant's throughout the US that are funded by the Government (our federal tax dollars).
The Debt in the US is $17 Trillion and rising. The US may default on the Debt or cut off Social Security. If they default then the US will be owned by China.
FYI: Sign the Petition (link below) to declare the border in the Rio Grande Valley a State of Emergency and protect our country (100,000 signatures needed by 6-30-14)
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/provide-immediate-border-support-south-texas/TPmYs5bG

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Why are these kids not being sent back to their country of origin??? Why are they in "holding" places???? Get some damned "holding" places across the river in good ole Mexico. Let THEM hold them. They let them come through THEIR country to get to OURS. Stop ALL aid to the countries from which these kids are coming AND Mexico. Get their families who are already here illegally to come pick them up and when they do, round up the whole lot of em and use military transport planes and send them back to Honduras, Guatemala, Mexico, from wherever they came. HERE ARE SOME VERY INTERESTING STATS, FOLKS, READ THEM AND WEEP, OR GET OFF YOUR BUTTS AND VOTE FOR THOSE WHO ARE FOR ENFORCING THE LAWS ALREADY ON THE BOOKS AND NOT COMING UP WITH SOME IMMIGRATION "REFORM." WE DON'T NEED REFORM. WE NEED BOOTS ON THE GROUND.
The following information is compiled from Federal Bureau of Investigation and Department of Homeland Security reports:
* 83 percent of warrants for murder in Phoenix are for illegal aliens
* 86 percent of warrants for murder in Albuquerque are for illegal aliens.
* 75 percent of those on the most wanted list in Los Angeles, Phoenix and Albuquerque are illegal aliens.
* 24.9 percent of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals
* 40.1 percent of all inmates in Arizona detention centers are Mexican nationals
* 48.2 percent of all inmates in New Mexico detention centers are Mexican nationals
* 29 percent (630,000) of convicted illegal alien felons fill Arizona and federal prisons at a cost of $1.6 billion annually
* 53 percent plus of all investigated burglaries reported in California, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona and Texas are perpetrated by illegal aliens.
* 50 percent plus of all gang members in Los Angeles are illegal aliens
* 71 percent plus of all apprehended cars stolen in 2005 in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada and California were stolen by Illegal aliens or "transport coyotes."
* 47 percent of cited/stopped drivers in California have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 47 percent, 92 percent are illegal aliens.
* 63 percent of cited/stopped drivers in Arizona have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 63 percent, 97 percent are illegal aliens
* 66 percent of cited/stopped drivers in New Mexico have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 66 percent, 98 percent are illegal aliens.
* 380,000 plus "anchor babies" were born in the United States to illegal alien parents in just one year, making 380,000 babies automatically US citizens.
* 97.2 percent of all costs incurred from those births were paid by the American










mnottertail -> RE: Obama's Child Refugee Flood (7/2/2014 7:23:46 AM)

Yeah, some problems with that, the 2 billion has not been approved, and Mexicans ride a fast-track deportation train. These are not mexicans, they have to have their day in court. That's the holdup, it's not just a good idea, it's the law. (as they say) and we cannot drop them into Mexico because it is illegal for us to introduce illegal aliens into Mexico. So, that cannot become government policy.




tj444 -> RE: Obama's Child Refugee Flood (7/2/2014 10:45:16 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity

If they're not invited guests, what is King Obama's "Dream Act" decree good for then, and all the free food stamps and Obamacare etc etc etc. What more of an invitation do they need, magical carpet rides?

From what I have read, nearly all of the child flood will be returned to their country as the requirements to actually be a child refugee that is allowed to stay is that the child must be abandoned by the parents, they must have been abused by the parents or at extreme risk of violence as such that exists in gang controlled towns.. and the child must be able to actually prove this to be true, its not just their word that is taken..
Imo, the reason there is a flood is cuz some traffickers are taking advantage of parents that don't know the law and believe the lies the traffickers are telling them.. When the child flood is returned word will get out that this aint gonna work so don't go paying all the money you have to a trafficker & risk your child's life when they will just be returned back to you..




tj444 -> RE: Obama's Child Refugee Flood (7/2/2014 10:50:41 AM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Yeah, some problems with that, the 2 billion has not been approved, and Mexicans ride a fast-track deportation train. These are not mexicans, they have to have their day in court. That's the holdup, it's not just a good idea, it's the law. (as they say) and we cannot drop them into Mexico because it is illegal for us to introduce illegal aliens into Mexico. So, that cannot become government policy.

I think according to some agreement/law, the US now just deports illegals to the country they entered from (the illegal is then that country's problem), which is not necessarily their home country..




thompsonx -> RE: Obama's Child Refugee Flood (7/2/2014 12:43:25 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity

Let's see...

Do leftists raid the treasury to buy poor peoples' votes?

Check.

Are King barack's refugees uneducated and desperately poor?

Check.

Are they coming here because the King ignores existing law?

Again, check.


Are you an ignorant moron spouting childish, inane dirvel?

Check.





thompsonx -> RE: Obama's Child Refugee Flood (7/2/2014 12:44:35 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity

The sad part is how leftists get people addicted to said government handouts

With women, children, the elderly, minorities and the poor (as always with leftist policies) being hardest hit


With the policies you prefer we just grind them up for dog food.




thompsonx -> RE: Obama's Child Refugee Flood (7/2/2014 12:49:39 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity

Here's your REAL fix - heavily fine and imprison anyone guilty of hiring an "undocumented guest" or whatever the PC term du joir is

Or at the very least elect a Commander-In-Chief who does his job and enforces the laws that are already in place, rather than make up his own



Liten up: The penality for hiring someone who crosses the border illegally is $250,000 + 5 years in the federal slam for each violation. You have been told this numerous times. So your disingenuous post above is just another one of your fucking lies. Why don't you go perform a citizens arrest and take the bounty...oh wait you have not the balls that god gave a girl scout...just another whiney punk without the courage to ensure that his aligator mouth does not overload his canary ass.




Musicmystery -> RE: Obama's Child Refugee Flood (7/2/2014 1:09:27 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tj444


quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity

If they're not invited guests, what is King Obama's "Dream Act" decree good for then, and all the free food stamps and Obamacare etc etc etc. What more of an invitation do they need, magical carpet rides?

From what I have read, nearly all of the child flood will be returned to their country as the requirements to actually be a child refugee that is allowed to stay is that the child must be abandoned by the parents, they must have been abused by the parents or at extreme risk of violence as such that exists in gang controlled towns.. and the child must be able to actually prove this to be true, its not just their word that is taken..
Imo, the reason there is a flood is cuz some traffickers are taking advantage of parents that don't know the law and believe the lies the traffickers are telling them.. When the child flood is returned word will get out that this aint gonna work so don't go paying all the money you have to a trafficker & risk your child's life when they will just be returned back to you..

He knows that -- but he's just a puppet for the talking heads on the right.




Sanity -> RE: Obama's Child Refugee Flood (7/2/2014 6:43:01 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tj444


quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity

If they're not invited guests, what is King Obama's "Dream Act" decree good for then, and all the free food stamps and Obamacare etc etc etc. What more of an invitation do they need, magical carpet rides?

From what I have read, nearly all of the child flood will be returned to their country as the requirements to actually be a child refugee that is allowed to stay is that the child must be abandoned by the parents, they must have been abused by the parents or at extreme risk of violence as such that exists in gang controlled towns.. and the child must be able to actually prove this to be true, its not just their word that is taken..
Imo, the reason there is a flood is cuz some traffickers are taking advantage of parents that don't know the law and believe the lies the traffickers are telling them.. When the child flood is returned word will get out that this aint gonna work so don't go paying all the money you have to a trafficker & risk your child's life when they will just be returned back to you..


As if there is no Royal Dream Decree

https://www.google.com/search?q=obama+dreamers&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb




mnottertail -> RE: Obama's Child Refugee Flood (7/3/2014 12:30:11 PM)

That is correct. There is no Royal dream decree.




Musicmystery -> RE: Obama's Child Refugee Flood (7/3/2014 1:47:05 PM)

And while the insults float around here, the real problem is Guatemalan kids who can't find work and are being killed in gang violence and extortion attempts. Taking their chances through Mexico (a dangerous journey) to the US, however nasty the US makes it, isn't going to deter them from trying.





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