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RE: Iraq........ Mission unaccomplished. - 6/13/2014 6:36:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, Tony Abbot of Prison Island is apparently willing to send troops if America decides to go that route. I'm wondering how they can afford to send troops, because apparently Australia is so broke the government is raiding private bank accounts. Regardless, Australia won't get all humanitarian in Iraq unless its on someone elses coat tails.

Formerly Great Britain is afraid to commit at this time. Not that anyone blames the Brits. They can't even keep Scotland apparently, and if they showed up in Iraq then Canada would have to come to the party to hold David Camerons hand... I have no idea who we'll have hold theirs...

The French... well, they're fucking French, and no one wants to give the Germans guns since that unfortunate incident with that Austrian lad...

Putin is busy empire building. China could care less.

No matter how you look at it, it's America's problem. So, the only real question is whether or not Obama will just ignore the situation. That is pretty much what he does. I suppose it's possible that he could grow a spine in the next few years, but its unlikely. No, whatever Barry-O does will be too little too late. I'm just impressed he hasn't started a # don'tbeameanie twitter crusade yet.

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RE: Iraq........ Mission unaccomplished. - 6/13/2014 6:46:44 AM   
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I see a lot of finger pointing and blame being tossed around, mostly by Obama haters looking for something to whine about. What I'm not seeing is anyone with ideas on what should have been done differently to give the area more stability. So is this just a whine fest, or are there legitimate ideas on what could have been done differently?

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RE: Iraq........ Mission unaccomplished. - 6/13/2014 10:22:55 AM   
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I see a lot of finger pointing and blame being tossed around, mostly by Obama haters looking for something to whine about. What I'm not seeing is anyone with ideas on what should have been done differently to give the area more stability. So is this just a whine fest, or are there legitimate ideas on what could have been done differently?

It is just a whine fest, yes! John McCain was on TV this morning claiming the current crisis was an existential threat for America. Would you believe! We have no dog in the sectarian fight. We made that mistake once and once was more than enough.

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RE: Iraq........ Mission unaccomplished. - 6/13/2014 10:38:27 AM   
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I see a lot of finger pointing and blame being tossed around, mostly by Obama haters looking for something to whine about. What I'm not seeing is anyone with ideas on what should have been done differently to give the area more stability. So is this just a whine fest, or are there legitimate ideas on what could have been done differently?

It is just a whine fest, yes! John McCain was on TV this morning claiming the current crisis was an existential threat for America. Would you believe! We have no dog in the sectarian fight. We made that mistake once and once was more than enough.


Please tell me he didn't go on TV and start saying, "bomb, bomb, bomb. Bomb, bomb Iraq."


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RE: Iraq........ Mission unaccomplished. - 6/13/2014 11:24:30 AM   
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RE: Iraq........ Mission unaccomplished - 6/13/2014 11:43:24 AM   
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People in Iraq are being beheaded en mass, women are being severely whipped for the crime of being out of doors, or they are fleeing for the sake of their very skin... al-Qaeda has been gifted the countries of Iraq and Afghanistan by president Tee Time, who has essentially taken credit for personally vanquishing al-Qaeda...

And leftists wonder, what's the problem (while asserting truthfully that we haven't had a responsible president since 2009).

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RE: Iraq........ Mission unaccomplished - 6/13/2014 11:44:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		And despite the problems before -- they were better off before the invasion.

It was dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb.

And everyone but the neo-cons told him so.




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RE: Iraq........ Mission unaccomplished - 6/13/2014 11:46:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		But that was happening when the nutsackers were running the show. Remember, thats why you had to get rid of your erstwhile buddy Hussein, Reagans asshole buddy. For freedom. It was a non-secular country until the nutsackers decided they werent imbeciles. You cant peddle that sort of asswipe here except to equivalent morons.

And what do we care? We can't run our own country, the nutsackers have seen to that. But they will get obamacare repealed someday, couple hundred years from now.


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RE: Iraq........ Mission unaccomplished - 6/13/2014 12:52:25 PM   
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People in Iraq are being beheaded en mass, women are being severely whipped for the crime of being out of doors, or they are fleeing for the sake of their very skin... al-Qaeda has been gifted the countries of Iraq and Afghanistan by president Tee Time, who has essentially taken credit for personally vanquishing al-Qaeda...
And leftists wonder, what's the problem (while asserting truthfully that we haven't had a responsible president since 2009).


What gives us the right to go in and oppose the rebels in Iraq? What gives us the right to arm, train, and support the rebels in Syria?

At what point in time do things outside this country, that aren't really impacting this country's safety, stop becoming this country's problem to fix? Haven't we caused enough peaceful democracy problems already?

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RE: Iraq........ Mission unaccomplished. - 6/13/2014 1:52:05 PM   
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Anyone remember Georges banner, or Blair claiming (just recently) that it (the invasion) was the right thing to do.

Due to poor handling by Bush and his cronies Iraq is again in turmoil, the Shia government done as predicted by some of us at the time and marginalised the Sunnis. Promises made to get the Sunni community onside during the 2007 battles with AQ militants were reneged on. Now as a result crisis is hardly a strong enough word to describe current events. Scenes on the nes show Islamic insurgents driving US arny vehicles abandoned by the Iraqi army, trained and armed by the allies but mainly by the US. Lets hope the US and UK dont get dragged back in, I wouldnt be shocked if we did though.


Poor handling by Bush. Bush hasn't been president for years! I think what you mean is, see what happens when you turn things over to a Democrat...?


More bullshit from you Sanity, as ever you ignore the facts. What I mean is what I posted and you copied. What you mean is you are pissed because someone pointed it out.

And if you think I am making this a left vs right issue, it only highlights your ignorance of world politics, both then and now. < Ask if you need me to elaborate further.




Of course you didn't mean to make this about the left and right. He must have been confused by the bolded parts.

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RE: Iraq........ Mission unaccomplished - 6/13/2014 3:53:48 PM   
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What gives us the right to go in and oppose the rebels in Iraq? What gives us the right to arm, train, and support the rebels in Syria?

At what point in time do things outside this country, that aren't really impacting this country's safety, stop becoming this country's problem to fix? Haven't we caused enough peaceful democracy problems already?


Syria is a different set of circumstances but generally speaking, this is a small planet, and its getting smaller. Its our neighborhood too, especially since the invention of jet airplanes and, if a few airstrikes can slow down the advance of large roving gangs of armed men beheading people for thinking differently and whipping women to death in the name of Allah then I am all for it

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RE: Iraq........ Mission unaccomplished - 6/13/2014 4:04:17 PM   
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And despite the problems before -- they were better off before the invasion.



Thats a lie.

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It was dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb.

And everyone but the neo-cons told him so.




In reality John Kerry voted for the Iraq war, Hillary Clinton voted for the Iraq war, Bill Clinton signed legislation making the overthrow of Saddam Hussein by law a priority of the United States, Ted Kennedy and Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton and Nanci Pelosi and Al Gore and many other leftists gave lengthy speeches pointing out the horrendous atrocities committed by Saddam Hussein against his own people and his neighbors and warning of the grave dangers faced by the world and the United States if Saddam were left to his own devices

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RE: Iraq........ Mission unaccomplished - 6/13/2014 4:14:54 PM   
Musicmystery


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Status: offline 		You can call it "a lie," but you've been outlining the horrors since. It's clearly not.

It's a matter of comparison. A stable, if certainly not perfect, nation is now an unstable mess.

Bush the First knew this, and stopped with liberating Kuwait. Clinton didn't invade either. Only the neo-cons "we can smash that for you" were dumb enough.

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RE: Iraq........ Mission unaccomplished - 6/13/2014 7:01:13 PM   
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People in Iraq are being beheaded en mass,

This would be your ignorant unsubstantiated moronic opinion.



women are being severely whipped for the crime of being out of doors, or they are fleeing for the sake of their very skin...

What a sack of shit.



al-Qaeda has been gifted the countries of Iraq and Afghanistan by president Tee Time, who has essentially taken credit for personally vanquishing al-Qaeda...

How does one gift somethiing that is not theirs ?

And leftists wonder, what's the problem (while asserting truthfully that we haven't had a responsible president since 2009).

What sort of fucking moron would think this?

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RE: Iraq........ Mission unaccomplished - 6/13/2014 7:02:26 PM   
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Syria is a different set of circumstances but generally speaking, this is a small planet, and its getting smaller. Its our neighborhood too, especially since the invention of jet airplanes and, if a few airstrikes can slow down the advance of large roving gangs of armed men beheading people for thinking differently and whipping women to death in the name of Allah then I am all for it

Just so long as your punk ass is not in the line of fire.

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RE: Iraq........ Mission unaccomplished - 6/13/2014 7:32:07 PM   
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What gives us the right to go in and oppose the rebels in Iraq? What gives us the right to arm, train, and support the rebels in Syria?
At what point in time do things outside this country, that aren't really impacting this country's safety, stop becoming this country's problem to fix? Haven't we caused enough peaceful democracy problems already?

Syria is a different set of circumstances but generally speaking, this is a small planet, and its getting smaller. Its our neighborhood too, especially since the invention of jet airplanes and, if a few airstrikes can slow down the advance of large roving gangs of armed men beheading people for thinking differently and whipping women to death in the name of Allah then I am all for it


The problem, though, is that there have been just a bit more than a few airstrikes already over there. And, they are still beheading and whipping people.


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RE: Iraq........ Mission unaccomplished - 6/13/2014 8:33:03 PM   
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The problem, though, is that there have been just a bit more than a few airstrikes already over there. And, they are still beheading and whipping people.



Again, rather. And history teaches that a strong al-Qaeda affects us directly

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RE: Iraq........ Mission unaccomplished. - 6/13/2014 9:26:14 PM   
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I'm just impressed he hasn't started a # don'tbeameanie twitter crusade yet.




That's the strategy! They'll tweet a picture of the First Lady holding a "#beheadingssuck" sign. She can pose for it sometime this weekend, between shopping trips, while the President is getting in 36 holes in Palm Springs.

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RE: Iraq........ Mission unaccomplished. - 6/13/2014 10:12:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		What, yet another humiliating foreign policy debacle for President shit-for-brains only a few months after being humiliated by Putin and only another few months after being humiliated by Assad. The fall of Afghanistan to the resurgent Taliban will be another one if not the next.

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RE: Iraq........ Mission unaccomplished. - 6/13/2014 11:16:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		The level of insight into the Iraq situation being demonstrated by some nutsackers here is appalling. Their hatred of Obama is such that they cannot see the problem lies not with an individual but with US policy, its absurd bias and ridiculous goals.

Both the GOP and Democrats voted for the invasion of Iraq, the standout disaster in the series of disasters that comprise US policy in the region. Both Bush and Obama have found reasons to prosecute wars in the region. If there is any difference between the two parties, its that the Dems seem a little faster to realise their mistakes though they are just as hopeless as the GOP at correcting them.

Forget about individuals, they are irrelevant as long as US policy and strategic goals remain unchanged. What is needed is a complete revision of US policy towards the entire region. That is a complete revision starting with the 'security alliance' with Israel - surely the most insane, absurd strategic alliance in history - and everything else. Until this happens, we can look forward to more of the same, which in practice means more disasters to join the long list of disasters the US has visited upon the region.



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