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Musicmystery -> RE: Canada OKs oil pipeline to the Pacific Coast... (6/23/2014 7:16:32 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Why isn't the government listening to the people?!?


1) Because they are focused instead on gaining/maintaining power through party politics
2) The Supreme Court made sure that the wealthy and corporations have the real vote in who runs the government
3) The electorate blithely goes along with this, even vigorously defending their oppressors.

In short, they've no need to listen to the people. Here and there, sure, there's an Eric Cantor incident, but instead of seeing a need for reformation, they continually see it as a reason to circle the wagons and double down.




DesideriScuri -> RE: Canada OKs oil pipeline to the Pacific Coast... (6/23/2014 12:47:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Why isn't the government listening to the people?!?

1) Because they are focused instead on gaining/maintaining power through party politics
2) The Supreme Court made sure that the wealthy and corporations have the real vote in who runs the government
3) The electorate blithely goes along with this, even vigorously defending their oppressors.
In short, they've no need to listen to the people. Here and there, sure, there's an Eric Cantor incident, but instead of seeing a need for reformation, they continually see it as a reason to circle the wagons and double down.


Did you read the article?




Musicmystery -> RE: Canada OKs oil pipeline to the Pacific Coast... (6/23/2014 1:13:10 PM)

Do you ever address what's posted?




LookieNoNookie -> RE: Canada OKs oil pipeline to the Pacific Coast... (6/23/2014 5:33:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1


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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie


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ORIGINAL: HunterS


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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Right, its diesel that powers the generators 99.999% of the time


Do you really believe that the U.S. does not have any nuclear or hydro power?



That was a big propaganda scheme begun in the early 70's.

There are no nuclear or hydro power plants in the United States.

Never has been.

All of that was fabricated in a studio in area 51.


Ummm... What about these nuclear plants Lookie??
http://www.nrc.gov/reactors/operating/map-power-reactors.html

And these hydro plants??
http://globalenergyobservatory.org/list.php?db=PowerPlants&type=Hydro



Fabrications, Area 51...see previous post regards same.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: Canada OKs oil pipeline to the Pacific Coast... (6/23/2014 5:39:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1


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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie
Electric trains are powered by Diesel.

(They're hybrids....be aware, if they had batteries that could carry 293 other wheeled devices behind them full of ore or Christmas presents for longer than 11 minutes per charge....they'd have a Prius that could go cross country with one charge).

This is where the US is waay behind most other first-world industrialised countries.

Of all our electric trains, only 2 were hybrid diesel/electric and only the class 73 is still in use.
The remainder are pure electric - no diesel.
That's because our electrification systems uses a 3rd rail or overhead power lines.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_Rail_modern_traction_locomotive_classes#Electric_locomotives
and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railway_electrification_in_Great_Britain
...and we still haven't finished yet.

The French are even more electrified than we are.
The US are lagging way behind in this respect as most of their rail infrastructure outside of the subways are not electrified so most of their electric trains need to be hybrid.
Canada is still investigating more electrification I think.



There's a smidge of a difference between electric trains (carrying cargo) and electric transit systems (on rails) that use other sources of power (overhead or under).

Nevertheless, point taken :)





LookieNoNookie -> RE: Canada OKs oil pipeline to the Pacific Coast... (6/23/2014 5:49:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers


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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
The President has little ability to impact the price of gasoline. There's plenty of shit to pile on Obama, but this isn't one of those turds.

Bullshit
Placing oil fields off limits through executive order, putting off the pipeline decision forever, directing his EPA goons and his IRS goons etc to crack down on every aspect of the energy industry, etc, are but a few of the ways Obama has driven fuel prices (and food prices, and electricity prices etc) to a six year high


What does our petroleum production look like? Looks like we haven't seen this level of production since the early 1990's.

I think a more damaging impact is the devaluing of the dollar, which has been going on since the Reagan Administration, at least.


Yep.

The value of the dollar as is any currency, is only in comparison to other currencies and then as a store of wealth. Not true. Who besides the United States has a "reserve currency"? (Answer: No one). The United States, alone, deems the value of the U.S. dollar solely because...everyone wants it. Does that mean that oil won't rise as we flood the market with dollars? Nope....but, read the papers....what other country has money flooding in to it's Treasury? (I'll help). None other than one other: The United States. Is it deserved? History is the only diviner in that question. That means the labor one can expect to obtain for each unit. The current rather than historic devaluation of the dollar has been in almost lock step with overall US borrowing since 2000 (since 1980 to be more specific. There is a huuuuuge difference between inflation, deflation, devaluation and "common perception of intrinsic value") and at all levels not just the federal govt. although that makes things worse.

That the US consumer is also required to borrow more and more to try to pay their bills compounded by business and govt. debt, has the markets concerned that [we] will not be able to continue to pay the interest. (All debt is not equal and the fact that both the feds and the consumer have borrowed {prior to 2007} in lockstep...the consumer faaaaaaaaaar in excess of the feds, does not at all have anything to do with anyone's {the world's included} perception of the U.S. dollar. Indeed, the borrowing habits of the world, even as we were profligate, with few exceptions, even exceeded ours). This in turn means that as borrowing costs go up and debt goes up even further to cover it...the currency (you probably mean, U.S. currency, which, if true,is not in fact at all true, as money has flooded into U.S. Treasuries since 2007) loses its battle against other currencies because 80% of the world still holds US dollars in reserve and may now start selling it and any dollar-fixed debt. There's no chance of that for at least another 5 - 10 years because there's no alternative. For now. (Not forever).

This causes a downward path resulting in the sale of dollar denominated debt which will increase interest on more debt which further reduces the dollar as a future store of wealth. This has nothing to do with oil. (Actually, the converse is true, but that's easily 5 screens worth of education) The only reason interest rates haven't spiked already is the fed('s) increase in balance sheet debt and the stubborn world-wide, anti-inflationary belief in the American workforce. (labor)

That last sentence made absolutely zero sense. I am however certain, based on previous writings that you know what you intended to say...you just didn't.





LookieNoNookie -> RE: Canada OKs oil pipeline to the Pacific Coast... (6/23/2014 5:51:22 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Why isn't the government listening to the people?!?


1) Because they are focused instead on gaining/maintaining power through party politics
2) The Supreme Court made sure that the wealthy and corporations have the real vote in who runs the government
3) The electorate blithely goes along with this, even vigorously defending their oppressors.

In short, they've no need to listen to the people. Here and there, sure, there's an Eric Cantor incident, but instead of seeing a need for reformation, they continually see it as a reason to circle the wagons and double down.


MM....it ain't them.

It's us.

We vote them in....we don't demand they live under the same rules (even as that's a federal mandate).

It ain't them.

"They" are not the problem.




Sanity -> RE: Canada OKs oil pipeline to the Pacific Coast... (6/23/2014 7:08:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tj444
I see people up and down the street with 2 or 3 or 4 cars in their driveway.. So if people are gonna bitch about the cost, the damage to the environment, pollution, etc then don't use it, or at the very least reduce as much as possible cuz if you don't, then you are the problem..


Are you jealous, or whats the issue. They're only driving one at a time, no harm no foul. But you are right about on thing, the bitchy whiners pounding away on their plastic keyboards about the evils of oil




Musicmystery -> RE: Canada OKs oil pipeline to the Pacific Coast... (6/23/2014 8:10:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Why isn't the government listening to the people?!?


1) Because they are focused instead on gaining/maintaining power through party politics
2) The Supreme Court made sure that the wealthy and corporations have the real vote in who runs the government
3) The electorate blithely goes along with this, even vigorously defending their oppressors.

In short, they've no need to listen to the people. Here and there, sure, there's an Eric Cantor incident, but instead of seeing a need for reformation, they continually see it as a reason to circle the wagons and double down.


MM....it ain't them.

It's us.

We vote them in....we don't demand they live under the same rules (even as that's a federal mandate).

It ain't them.

"They" are not the problem.

That's point 3, isn't it?




DesideriScuri -> RE: Canada OKs oil pipeline to the Pacific Coast... (6/24/2014 2:32:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
Do you ever address what's posted?


Usually better than you do.

Did you not notice the [8D] I had in my post?




mnottertail -> RE: Canada OKs oil pipeline to the Pacific Coast... (6/24/2014 5:17:48 AM)

Well, so Canada has OKed this. The question is, will the US?




Musicmystery -> RE: Canada OKs oil pipeline to the Pacific Coast... (6/24/2014 5:44:24 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
Do you ever address what's posted?


Usually better than you do.

Did you not notice the [8D] I had in my post?


Maybe if you tried stating positions instead of beaming them telepathically.




freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Canada OKs oil pipeline to the Pacific Coast... (6/24/2014 6:39:04 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie
Fabrications, Area 51...see previous post regards same.

So... this is a figment of my imagination then??
(Browns Ferry nuclear power plant)



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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie
There's a smidge of a difference between electric trains (carrying cargo) and electric transit systems (on rails) that use other sources of power (overhead or under).

Nevertheless, point taken :)

Our electric trains carry cargo AND passengers.
Sometimes if I get stuck on the Grain crossing, the coal and tanks from the refinery runs on for miles and miles of rolling stock.

Point being, the US is waay behind other 1st world countries on rail electrification.


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DesideriScuri -> RE: Canada OKs oil pipeline to the Pacific Coast... (6/24/2014 8:43:27 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
Do you ever address what's posted?

Usually better than you do.
Did you not notice the [8D] I had in my post?

Maybe if you tried stating positions instead of beaming them telepathically.


Yeah, I tried the mental telepathy thing a few times. Turns out, the receivers were lacking the mental capacity.

So, did you read the story I linked to?




Musicmystery -> RE: Canada OKs oil pipeline to the Pacific Coast... (6/24/2014 8:55:09 AM)

^ This is a good example of WHY I don't bother to spend time on what you post.




DesideriScuri -> RE: Canada OKs oil pipeline to the Pacific Coast... (6/24/2014 9:03:32 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
^ This is a good example of WHY I don't bother to spend time on what you post.


Because you don't read the links and then try to respond?

Please redouble your efforts to not spend time on what I post.




Musicmystery -> RE: Canada OKs oil pipeline to the Pacific Coast... (6/24/2014 9:12:31 AM)

Your approach isn't yielding better quality posts.






LookieNoNookie -> RE: Canada OKs oil pipeline to the Pacific Coast... (6/24/2014 6:08:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1


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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie
Fabrications, Area 51...see previous post regards same.

So... this is a figment of my imagination then??
(Browns Ferry nuclear power plant)




I'm afraid so.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: Canada OKs oil pipeline to the Pacific Coast... (6/24/2014 6:09:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Your approach isn't yielding better quality posts.





I happen to like Desi's posts.

Haven't yet found one that wasn't well thought out.




Zonie63 -> RE: Canada OKs oil pipeline to the Pacific Coast... (6/24/2014 9:31:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
Our electric trains carry cargo AND passengers.
Sometimes if I get stuck on the Grain crossing, the coal and tanks from the refinery runs on for miles and miles of rolling stock.

Point being, the US is waay behind other 1st world countries on rail electrification.


I believe it. A lot of the US infrastructure has been neglected in past decades, and railroads seem to be no exception. The complaint around here is that there just isn't enough capacity to handle the amount of traffic, so they're talking about building a new railroad yard between Tucson and Phoenix and doubling the track capacity. Mainly for cargo rail.

Passenger rail is useless. I tried taking Amtrak one time, but there's no real value to it. They only come by a couple times a week, they've got a screwy schedule, late at night with the station in a raunchy area of town. It's just not worth the hassle.




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