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Overcoming the mental block of being too "nice" - 6/18/2014 12:21:45 PM   
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Can anyone around here point me in the right direction to help get over the "mental block" that some refer to as being a "nice dom"? Background info: She is into humiliation, degradation, being treated like a service slut, etc. I'm a nice guy, still getting my dom pants tailored to properly fit, but since we have been married for years and I love her more than anything, it's hard to really treat her the way she wants to be treated. It feels like I care too much about "trying to make her happy" (in the vanilla way) but I know treating her in a more "degrading slutty sub" way is what she wants. I have my moments of dominance in our every day interactions, but I'm also worried about staying on the right side of the dominant/"just being an asshole" line...

Hope this all makes sense, sorry if I misused any technical terms in all that (i tend to over generalize some things) let me know if you need a better explanation of what I'm getting at in my question...

Thanks in advance for taking the time to read and respond.
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RE: Overcoming the mental block of being too "nice... - 6/18/2014 12:27:20 PM   
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Drop by the Politics and Religion section, and any "nice guy" inhibitions will swiftly evaporate.

But seriously, might it help to think that giving her what she wants/needs is actually an incredibly nice thing to do?

All the best to you both!

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RE: Overcoming the mental block of being too "nice... - 6/18/2014 12:32:53 PM   
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I love her more than anything, it's hard to really treat her the way she wants to be treated.

Would you still be able to feel the same way about her if you did?

K.


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RE: Overcoming the mental block of being too "nice... - 6/18/2014 12:38:01 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Default

Can anyone around here point me in the right direction to help get over the "mental block" that some refer to as being a "nice dom"? Background info: She is into humiliation, degradation, being treated like a service slut, etc. I'm a nice guy, still getting my dom pants tailored to properly fit, but since we have been married for years and I love her more than anything, it's hard to really treat her the way she wants to be treated. It feels like I care too much about "trying to make her happy" (in the vanilla way) but I know treating her in a more "degrading slutty sub" way is what she wants. I have my moments of dominance in our every day interactions, but I'm also worried about staying on the right side of the dominant/"just being an asshole" line...

Hope this all makes sense, sorry if I misused any technical terms in all that (i tend to over generalize some things) let me know if you need a better explanation of what I'm getting at in my question...

Thanks in advance for taking the time to read and respond.


Ignore her desires and focus on yours. For example, bind her tightly so it hurts and you can enjoy her cries and her sobs and the way she twitches when you striker her or drop hot wax on her freshly laid cane or flogger Marks and then enjoy her helplessness by occasionally taking her from her face down position while threatening her with more punishment unless she begs for more using the word "master" while holding a fistful of hair that you use to pull her blindfolded head back while you put all sorts of nasty man body parts in her face, and that is just the first thirty minutes. She needs you to take her as a demon Dom because she is the ying to your yang and you better focus on your part so she can be the other.

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RE: Overcoming the mental block of being too "nice... - 6/18/2014 12:40:35 PM   
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Ha oh man... I'm gonna be lookin at this thread sooooo much for the replies. I'm having the same problem in reverse... My guy is way too darn nice lol.

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RE: Overcoming the mental block of being too "nice... - 6/18/2014 12:43:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

But seriously, might it help to think that giving her what she wants/needs is actually an incredibly nice thing to do?

All the best to you both!



Thanks DC, it's been a hell of a journey so far, and our relationship has reached a level I never thought possible, it's wonderful.



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ORIGINAL: Kirata

Would you still be able to feel the same way about her if you did?



It's a different state of mind I enter when I start treating her like that, I always know I love her, but to treat her how she wants to be treated, I question if I'm just being an "asshole" or not and if I'm even on the right track. The times where it "felt" like I was "stepping up to the plate" was when I blocked out caring about her feelings and just acted like it was my world, and she's lucky to be a part of it. (That's a harsh way to put it, but the general state of mind is difficult to describe)


Has anyone else questioned themselves like this, if they're just acting like an ass versus being dominant?

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RE: Overcoming the mental block of being too "nice... - 6/18/2014 12:51:47 PM   
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Has anyone else questioned themselves like this, if they're just acting like an ass versus being dominant?


I'm thinking being an ass has it's place in this. Only an ass will bind a girl's tanned legs so it leaves marks on her ankles for hours and only and ass will ignore a girl's cries while you gleefully run a pinwheel over freshly laid marks and her vulva, oh just because she did not twitch in her bindings fast enough for your pleasure...being an ass has it's place if being an ass is ignoring vanilla constraints and I suppose that is true. So be an ass and take charge and don't worry about hurting her feelings, she is here so you can be very creative at being her asshole Dom.

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RE: Overcoming the mental block of being too "nice... - 6/18/2014 12:56:15 PM   
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Thanks DC, it's been a hell of a journey so far, and our relationship has reached a level I never thought possible, it's wonderful.

Fantastic!

I don't often suggest books I haven't read, but I've heard good things about The Loving Dominant by John Warren.

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RE: Overcoming the mental block of being too "nice... - 6/18/2014 12:56:31 PM   
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~FRing it~

I went through something similar when I was starting out many moons ago. Best piece of advice I can honestly give is that you have to figure you out. What makes YOU tick as far as dominance goes? Be genuine and sincere, rather than perhaps trying to be something or someone you aren't just to try to get to her level. If that isn't you and you deep down know it, all the "fake it til you make it" in the world won't help. You can't be something you're not.

It's good you are asking questions and questioning yourself. Only you have the answers that will work best for you though . Good luck and give yourself time to get your Dom pants fitting properly.

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RE: Overcoming the mental block of being too "nice... - 6/18/2014 3:41:15 PM   
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What do you think she wants, you to be more assertive/aggressive in normal day to day married life, or a higher level of humiliation/degradation in the bedroom?

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RE: Overcoming the mental block of being too "nice... - 6/18/2014 3:58:21 PM   
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Here is what I have learned over the years. Everyone has more then 1 state of mind. They have vanilla and life. Your Vanilla is the loving caring one and its the one that is what makes you care for her the way you do. Your life one is the one that allows you to do and enjoy the things you do in the life.
Now with that said you need to know your life one's limits, how far your willing to go, what your willing to be able to live with, and when you are in the life mood you have to turn your emotes off. After a while it will not get easier but knowing and seeing the pleasure she is having makes you feel better about what your doing to her.
Run training sessions with her and with each session just go deeper or try harder and after you can talk with her and get advice, this will really help you hone in on what she wants and allow you to be able to give it to her in the ways she wants.
But always remember that after every session to use aftercare and in aftercare enter back into your loving vanilla mindset. Cuddle her and patch her up, Hold her tight and let he just melt into you.

I know that when I was with Anna I had the very same problem. Its not easy to sit around cutting open a person you love, and even tho you see them having fun and orgasms from her blood dripping down her back, its either going to be something that you can or cant handle.
I have learned that if your going to do it, your going to have to adept to doing it right.

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RE: Overcoming the mental block of being too "nice... - 6/18/2014 4:19:17 PM   
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Thanks all for the responses, great stuff...I wish I had more time to really explain more details and help keep this going and get more insight.

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ORIGINAL: areallivehuman

What do you think she wants, you to be more assertive/aggressive in normal day to day married life, or a higher level of humiliation/degradation in the bedroom?


Both.

I think my biggest hurdle with this is that in my everyday vanilla life, I am a very easy going person. I just go with the flow, get along with most people, and always try to see both sides of a story. However, in our relationship, with our relatively new roles, I can't be so "easy going" anymore, I need to call the shots, and assert myself (even though most of the time, I don't care either way, I'm down for whatever). I have plenty of creative ideas, but I second guess myself of the purpose and timing for those ideas...and now I think with all this I'm finally answering my own questions, I should "go for it" just because, no real reason needed. (?)


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RE: Overcoming the mental block of being too "nice... - 6/18/2014 4:59:51 PM   
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Protocols like having her call you Sir can help because they create standing orders for various hierarchal and humbling mindsets. As you feel your way through this, have lots of kneeling and stuff to keep her jazzed.

But the big prize in this stuff is authenticity. If you're just playacting when you call her a whorecunt, she knows that. If your heart is more with slutwife or even "Honey", start there for real and see where being the bedroom boss takes you otherwise.

Dominance is like a muscle. Work it and it will get bigger. Maybe not Mr Universe-big, but generally speaking, big enough.

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RE: Overcoming the mental block of being too "nice... - 6/18/2014 5:03:53 PM   
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Dominance is like a muscle. Work it and it will get bigger. Maybe not Mr Universe-big, but generally speaking, big enough.


Love it.

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RE: Overcoming the mental block of being too "nice... - 6/18/2014 5:18:04 PM   
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……And she's your beloved sweetie-wife of some years, right?

She'll play ball with you and work with who you really are.

A solid ass beating with some humbling filth talk would not go amiss this weekend.

Get a reasonable how-hard reading and go to town. Safewords or whatever apply, blah, blah, blah.

Ask her if it was too much AFTERWARDS.

Just a thought: mine wanted humiliation too, but settled more amicably into more of a gentle humbling thing. Google's your friend as to the diff.

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RE: Overcoming the mental block of being too "nice... - 6/18/2014 8:51:57 PM   
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If you're the dominant, then you get to decide what to do. And what would harm the relationship.

Beyond that, if you haven't been doing this extreme degradation, then she doesn't really know if it will be as good in reality as it seems in fantasy.

Now, tell her to back off and stop pushing. Because the more she's doing that, the less she's submitting.
What she should be doing is thanking you for anything that you're pushing yourself to do. She should be giving you lots of positive feedback, telling you how hot it makes her. And begging you to do it again soon and next time harder and longer.

And take your time to figure out what play attracts you.

As far as being a service sub, tell her to refill your coffee. Tell her to make you a sandwich. Decide what you want for dinner and have her make it.

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RE: Overcoming the mental block of being too "nice... - 6/19/2014 12:06:12 AM   
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If she wants it, she will like it........stick to that thought and don't worry more about it. So with that in mind do it because you love her and want to make her happy.

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RE: Overcoming the mental block of being too "nice... - 6/19/2014 10:53:23 AM   
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But then she'll come back complaining that he isn't really into it and is just playing the part. If he's laid back, then why should he have to change that? Why can't he just tell her it's her job to decide what to make for dinner as long as it doesn't contain peas or whatever he hates?

Why can't he announce he doesn't feel like smacking her around today, he feels like tying her down and sticking a hitachi on her for an hour and watch her have more orgasms than he can count?

Because he isn't trying to be dominant, he's trying to turn himself into her service top. Which would be fine if that's what they both want. But not if he's going to resent never having the sex life of his dreams, because he's pretending to be someone he isn't to please her. And it's never okay to tell your partner whom you claim to love that they need to change everything about them.

I'm wondering if his wife isn't suffering from sub frenzy. If so, she might benefit from coming on here and hearing some home truths about how she's being unfair to him.

Because why should he have to change to be the meanest sadist on the block. Why shouldn't she change to be a sensualist, or daddy's little princess? Which seems to be more the op's style. And if he's the dominant, then they should play by his rules.

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RE: Overcoming the mental block of being too "nice... - 6/19/2014 2:51:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

If you're the dominant, then you get to decide what to do. And what would harm the relationship.

Beyond that, if you haven't been doing this extreme degradation, then she doesn't really know if it will be as good in reality as it seems in fantasy.

Now, tell her to back off and stop pushing. Because the more she's doing that, the less she's submitting.
What she should be doing is thanking you for anything that you're pushing yourself to do. She should be giving you lots of positive feedback, telling you how hot it makes her. And begging you to do it again soon and next time harder and longer.

And take your time to figure out what play attracts you.

As far as being a service sub, tell her to refill your coffee. Tell her to make you a sandwich. Decide what you want for dinner and have her make it.
quote:

But then she'll come back complaining that he isn't really into it and is just playing the part. If he's laid back, then why should he have to change that? Why can't he just tell her it's her job to decide what to make for dinner as long as it doesn't contain peas or whatever he hates?

Why can't he announce he doesn't feel like smacking her around today, he feels like tying her down and sticking a hitachi on her for an hour and watch her have more orgasms than he can count?

Because he isn't trying to be dominant, he's trying to turn himself into her service top. Which would be fine if that's what they both want. But not if he's going to resent never having the sex life of his dreams, because he's pretending to be someone he isn't to please her. And it's never okay to tell your partner whom you claim to love that they need to change everything about them.

I'm wondering if his wife isn't suffering from sub frenzy. If so, she might benefit from coming on here and hearing some home truths about how she's being unfair to him.

Because why should he have to change to be the meanest sadist on the block. Why shouldn't she change to be a sensualist, or daddy's little princess? Which seems to be more the op's style. And if he's the dominant, then they should play by his rules.

This is the best advice I've heard in a long while, and I think the OP needs to take a good hard look at what dominance means to him. Because DesFIP has hit the nail squarely on the head.

I had a problem of a different nature in my marriage. There was a time when all my husband wanted was bedroom D/s. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that, with some couples. But the same sort of dissonant energy (power) dynamic emerged with us. He acted demanding, and I started to feel like his service Top instead of his Mistress. Our power struggles outside of the bedroom began to spill over into the bedroom, and it was incredibly frustrating for me in those earlier years. There was a lot of unnecessary strife and resentment that affected our relationship. He wouldn't come on board with my softer style of dominance, and I didn't feel in control or in charge of a marriage that was spiraling out of control. Neither of us were happy. Typical of so many vanilla marriages, it got to the point where I didn't want to be intimate with him anymore because I was pissed off at him so much of the time.

Long story short, we eventually resolved our differences, and he stopped resisting my taking the lead in our marriage many years later but not until he was finally willing to accept my authority as the Dominant partner beyond having kinky sex together.

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RE: Overcoming the mental block of being too "nice... - 6/19/2014 3:08:36 PM   
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