BamaD
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Third when the cops show up your firearm should not be aimed at them, on the ground would be good.
And that is where things get complicated. You assume that you will see the cops arrive and that the violence will be over. If that isn't the case...
...Better have that death insurance policy paid up and current. Those cops will see some guy waving a gun around, think, "That's the gunman" and drop him under a hail of gunfire.
Or worst, some CCW holder does not observe the initial situation, rounds the corner, see's the first CCW holder firing on someone, and shots him/her in the back....then the cops....drop him.
An who is to say a CCW holder is not part of the actual plan? Waiting to see if there are any 'heroes' that try to react to the original situation and eliminate them before joining their friends in the mayhem.
Joether, you know the cops don't do that with the actual shooters but you assume they will with the armed citizen, how obtuse.
You hold a belief that police officers are can tell the bad guys from the good guys. Because bad guys all wear black, right? Police officer see someone firing a gun toward someone else, they'll drop that guy without a second thought. How would the police officers know the CCW Holder is on their side? The answer is they don't.
Likewise, if the CCW Holder was aware of the police presence in pursuit of the 'evil person(s)', would they get involved? Most likely no. Which would therefore keep them from receiving friendly fire.
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You also fall into the trap of assuming the ccw holder will shoot anyone but the bad guy.
Yes, because all CCW Holders are total deadshots. And I'm the Queen of England! Reality is that most CCW Holders are good shots against pieces of paper at a range where they can relax. Its a whole different story when shit is hitting the fan from multiple directions. Most people, do not train, nor keep these kind of skills up-to-date; law enforcement does it on a regular basis. And there have been a few noted instances in which the police shot bystanders while trying to bring down the evil person(s).
Its a fantasy to believe CCW Holders are deadshots. Even more so when things are out of control.
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The third point is pure paranoia.
Is it? Sounds more like squad tactics. Initial group storms in, while those in the second group wait for a response. That group neutralizes the response while its focused on the first group. Its called a moving ambush. Or do you live in a fantasy world were no CCW would ever do horrible things to Americans?
1 The cops give the shooter a chance to surrender but they would shoot the ccw holder in a second? Not likely
2 The insistence is that fighting back increases casualties, this flies in the face of all known facts.
3 Again you assume that the good guys will always shoot the wrong person, when studies, which I have shown you repeatedly, show that they are less likely too than the cops.
4 When the cops show you drop your gun and fall on the ground.
5 When the cops show to a shooting situation and see two guys shooting at each other they will assume that one is defending themselves and order everyone to surrender.
6 I consider myself to be an average shot as a ccw holder and when I worked for the sheriffs office (in an administrative capacity) our range master was irritated with the officers because I could out shoot 75% of them. This does not mean that I think all ccw carriers are crack shots but on the average they are at least as good as the cops.
7 Never say never but none of these shootings have been by ccw carriers.
< Message edited by BamaD -- 6/21/2014 12:35:52 PM >
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