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[sarcasm]I think you're right actually. Hobby Lobby should pull their money from those drug companies right away! Sure, the cash going to those baby killing divisions of the pharmaceutical companies is just a tiny fraction of the budget given to other products like vaccines and cancer treatments, but after all, nothing is more important than the fact that liberals would rather have more people sick and dying if it suits their political agendas. We certainly don't want corporations like Hobby Lobby reputation sullied by investing in the hundreds of beneficial drugs being developed every day by companies like Pfizer, on the off chance that a dime or two of their investment might be theoretically used to murder the unborn.

Hobby Lobby should pull ALL their investments in hospital antibiotics and childrens vaccines for third world shitholes and invest it in something else profitable, like guns or oil. I understand that wars in Iraq can be quite profitable. Perhaps a crusade to kill the heathen hordes and reclaim the Holy Land of Exxon would meet with your approval.[/sarcasm]

-SD-

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ORIGINAL: SadistDave


[sarcasm]I think you're right actually. Hobby Lobby should pull their money from those drug companies right away! Sure, the cash going to those baby killing divisions of the pharmaceutical companies is just a tiny fraction of the budget given to other products like vaccines and cancer treatments, but after all, nothing is more important than the fact that liberals would rather have more people sick and dying if it suits their political agendas. We certainly don't want corporations like Hobby Lobby reputation sullied by investing in the hundreds of beneficial drugs being developed every day by companies like Pfizer, on the off chance that a dime or two of their investment might be theoretically used to murder the unborn.

Hobby Lobby should pull ALL their investments in hospital antibiotics and childrens vaccines for third world shitholes and invest it in something else profitable, like guns or oil. I understand that wars in Iraq can be quite profitable. Perhaps a crusade to kill the heathen hordes and reclaim the Holy Land of Exxon would meet with your approval.[/sarcasm]

-SD-

Wow. Where to begin.

So, I am to believe that a company that morally objects to the "abortion pill" and the other form of contraceptive, should invest in the company that make them because only a few dollars go toward those things (totally a speculation on your part as you have no idea how the funds are distributed) and that the lion-share of the money goes to beneficial drugs that help third-world countries and cancer drug research etc. that that is just OK. So, if this same company invested in abortion clinics that also helped poor women with troubled pregnancies and did a lot of outreach into the community helping educate people about STDs etc.... that would be OK too? I mean, after all, the abortion clinic does a lot of good except for those nasty morally repugnant abortions.

That doesn't pass the sniff test for me. Sure, drug companies do a lot of research and development, and they also make contraceptives like the ones Hobby Lobby had to go to the Supreme Court with their pious moral indignation and had to have the court say that it was fine that they could be piously morally indignant legally. If you take a stand all the way to the Supreme Court, then you are damn serious about your objection, and they have a lot of damn nerve to not have their own house clean, period.

The other question is why Hobby Lobby covered those drugs up until the time that the ACA mandated they cover them.

Things that make you go... Hmmmmmmm

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ORIGINAL: SadistDave


Cry me a fucking river....

If it upsets you that Hobby Lobby invests its money in certain companies, then by all means boycott those companies until they stop taking Hobby Lobby's money. In fact, you should boycott Hobby Lobby too. Hobby Lobby won't miss your money. Neither will Pfizer. I'm probably not alone (although one of the few that will just say it outright), but I'm sure the world won't miss anyone foolish enough to die as a result of refusing to buy anything from drug companies that accept money from Hobby Lobby. There are an awful lot of liberals who need life saving medicines. I invite each and every one of them to boycott the companies that make them until Hobby Lobby finally sees the light. If abortion is so fucking awesome, lets see how fantastic retroactive abortions are when their sick kids start dropping like flies. I invite them all to not go to hospitals or clinics as well, since those same pharmaceutical companies make the products that sanitize operating rooms. Phizer will probably be providing the chemicles used by their morticians.

As for why Hobby Lobby covered those drugs before the Unaffordable Care Act; people who don't just regurgitate the ravings of MSNBC's parade of idiots are already aware that Hobby Lobby didn't know it was covered by the insurance they were carrying. When it was brought to their attention, they immediately took steps to get the coverage dropped from their plan. That information was included in the original filing of their case. CNN did a nice little hit piece which completely omitted this small, yet fairly important fact ******THE NEWS MEDIA OMITTING LITTLE FACTS TO PROVIDE A BIASED SLANT ON THE NEWS??????? I am in shock... shock I tell you.****** . Since Hobby Lobby's admitted ignorance of what was covered under their health plan has been part of their legal case since day one, there is no reason to wonder about it other than blatant stupidity.

-SD-

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Gauge,

There are currently only four acceptable responses for posts:

1) Moron
2) Liar
3) You mean you really don't know that ____
4) My words don't mean what they actually say, and you don't get that

SD went for #3.

Your mistake is attempting to form an argument and in composing a reasoned counterargument in responding.

That's not allowed under the new rules.

I hope this helps.

Good luck!

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ORIGINAL: Gauge
If you believe that I am grasping at straws, do you really think that this will end here?

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ORIGINAL: Gauge

God, I cannot believe I am about to post something here...

If no one has brought this up, perhaps this bears discussion, perhaps not, but Hobby Lobby got caught with their foreskin in their zipper.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/01/hobby-lobby-invests-in-em_n_5070279.html

The article reveals a bit of a faux pas on behalf of these highly moral business owners. Perhaps when one takes a case all the way to the Supreme Court to defend their religious beliefs, they should not be investing in the very same pharmaceutical companies that make the contraceptives they are so outraged to be asked to provide. They see no problem with taking the money from this company, yet somehow find it immoral to make sure it is covered for their employees.

Hypocrite much?

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

find a woman who has gone thru menopause if you wanna stop conception thats free....of course that doesnt stop the spread of stds

Leftists are demanding that other people shower them with free shit...

Hmmm... What else is "news"

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

If you leftist freaks had an activist court arbitrarily changing the laws on your behalf you would jump over the moon with joy

But since the court is practically split right down the middle (Roberts gifted you with a very unconstitutional Obamacare mandate) you howl like the shit eating monkey that you are

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Investing is a financial decision, not a moral one.

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ORIGINAL: Gauge
If you believe that I am grasping at straws, do you really think that this will end here?

I'm sincerely hoping that you don't stop grasping at straws. I'm trying to give you every opportunity to say something intelligent. Since you don't seem to be able to do that, I'm just enjoying the entertainment value of your posts. You can call yourself whatever you want, but you sound like someone with their head up Ruth Ginsburg's ass.

* The Unaffordable Care Act was forced on the American people by a partisan Congress. It was unpopular when it passed, and remains unpopular. Next year when the IRS starts collecting the Obamacare Tax, it will become even more unpopular. Since it became law, Barry O has had to change it over 40 times just to make it workable enough to keep his political party in power.

* Since the law has been changed prior to this to accomidate other special interest groups like unions and government workers I really think the notion that people with a religious objection to part of the law is so awful just sounds retarded.

* Women managed to find birth control before Obamacare. Do you honestly think that it's not still available? Obamacare has created more of a void in medical coverage than it filled, so the poor and dispossessed are still in need of programs that help them maintain their health. As far as birth control goes, they give the shit away for FREE. Planned Parenthood even has a program to give away Plan B for FREE. Condoms can be obtained for FREE. Birth control pills can be obtained for FREE.

* America does not work on the feudal system. Workers are free to work wherever they can get a job. Women who work for Hobby Lobby can always go get a job somewhere else if they're unable to facilitate their own vagina maintenance. If.... that is IF this idiotic notion that women are so helpless that they need the government to force businesses to maintain their vaginas is really a good one, then there will be plenty of businesses out there ready to foot that bill. Instead of getting your little panties in a bunch over an extremely narrow ruling, maybe you should see if mandating pussy upkeep passes the "smell test" with the public. If it does then there will be public domain pussy all over this great nation regardless of what a few family owned companies believe is against their religion. All of the oppressed Hobby Lobby women can go find jobs at those companies.

To recap:

Since women are not forced to work anywhere they might not get pussy care, AND since it's already been established that special interest groups get special rules concerning the law, AND since Hobby Lobby is not saying their employees can't use the birth control methods they find objectionable if they want to obtain it on their own, AND since birth control is still available for FREE...... your arguments sound like the ravings of a clown.

-SD-

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ORIGINAL: SadistDave

I'm sincerely hoping that you don't stop grasping at straws.

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I'm trying to give you every opportunity to say something intelligent.

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Since you don't seem to be able to do that, I'm just enjoying the entertainment value of your posts.

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You can call yourself whatever you want, but you sound like someone with their head up Ruth Ginsburg's ass.

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* The Unaffordable Care Act was forced on the American people by a partisan Congress. It was unpopular when it passed, and remains unpopular. Next year when the IRS starts collecting the Obamacare Tax, it will become even more unpopular. Since it became law, Barry O has had to change it over 40 times just to make it workable enough to keep his political party in power.

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* Since the law has been changed prior to this to accomidate other special interest groups like unions and government workers I really think the notion that people with a religious objection to part of the law is so awful just sounds retarded.

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* Women managed to find birth control before Obamacare. Do you honestly think that it's not still available? Obamacare has created more of a void in medical coverage than it filled, so the poor and dispossessed are still in need of programs that help them maintain their health. As far as birth control goes, they give the shit away for FREE. Planned Parenthood even has a program to give away Plan B for FREE. Condoms can be obtained for FREE. Birth control pills can be obtained for FREE.

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* America does not work on the feudal system. Workers are free to work wherever they can get a job. Women who work for Hobby Lobby can always go get a job somewhere else if they're unable to facilitate their own vagina maintenance. If.... that is IF this idiotic notion that women are so helpless that they need the government to force businesses to maintain their vaginas is really a good one, then there will be plenty of businesses out there ready to foot that bill. Instead of getting your little panties in a bunch over an extremely narrow ruling, maybe you should see if mandating pussy upkeep passes the "smell test" with the public. If it does then there will be public domain pussy all over this great nation regardless of what a few family owned companies believe is against their religion. All of the oppressed Hobby Lobby women can go find jobs at those companies.

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To recap:

Since women are not forced to work anywhere they might not get pussy care, AND since it's already been established that special interest groups get special rules concerning the law, AND since Hobby Lobby is not saying their employees can't use the birth control methods they find objectionable if they want to obtain it on their own, AND since birth control is still available for FREE......

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your arguments sound like the ravings of a clown.

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ORIGINAL: Domnotlooking
I'm no fan of the ruling, but what's wrong with investing in stuff you disagree with?

I hate smoking, but I own a lot of Phillip Morris. I own Kraft too, and they probably kill more people than Phillip Morris.

Investing is a financial decision, not a moral one.

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ORIGINAL: SadistDave

I'm sincerely hoping that you don't stop grasping at straws.

I've got nothing for this... I am not even certain what this means exactly.

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I'm trying to give you every opportunity to say something intelligent.

You haven't been paying attention then. ***YES I HAVE BEEN PAYING ATTENTION. YOU'RE AN IDIOT.***That is OK, I am fine with you not believing I can present a dignified, decently thought out point without resorting to the mundane and unimaginative personal insults. Anyone can do that.***YOU SURE CRY ABOUT IT MORE THAN MOST PEOPE THOUGH>***

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Since you don't seem to be able to do that, I'm just enjoying the entertainment value of your posts.

Then you should go pop a bag of popcorn and get a beverage of your choice. Would it be bad to admit that I laughed after reading your post?***WHY WOULD IT BE BAD TO SAY? I HAVE A SPINE AND WON"T CRY ABOUT IT LIKE YOU DO.***

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You can call yourself whatever you want, but you sound like someone with their head up Ruth Ginsburg's ass.

Again with the personal insults, surely you have more in your magic bag of tricks.***MORE CRYING.*** Do I sound like Ruth Ginsburg because I am parroting her dissenting opinion of the court case or is it simply because I do not agree with you? ***MANY PEOPLE DON'T AGREE WITH ME. MANY OF THEM ARE CAPABLE OF INTELLIGENT THOUGHT AND I TREAT THEM WITH CONSIDERABLY MORE RESPECT.*** Either way, it is really lucky for me that I do not need your validation of who I am or what I believe.*** IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE TRYING TO CONVINVCE YOURSELF THAT YOU DON'T.***

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* The Unaffordable Care Act was forced on the American people by a partisan Congress. It was unpopular when it passed, and remains unpopular. Next year when the IRS starts collecting the Obamacare Tax, it will become even more unpopular. Since it became law, Barry O has had to change it over 40 times just to make it workable enough to keep his political party in power.

Forced? Truly? Even after the 400,000 times that the Republicans tried to either get the law overturned or they try to defund the law and it has been unsuccessful?***GOSH DUMBASS, DO YOU THINK IT MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE LIBERAL SENATE?*** Why, the Republicans even shut down the government over the law and we know how successful that was. ***IT WAS SUCCESSFUL ENOUGH TO KEEP THE HOUSE UNDER REPUBLICAN CONTROL AND SHOWCASE WHAT A DOUCHE OBAMA IS.*** Also, if you want to tell me how unpopular the law is, please support that statement with some numbers from as many unbiased sources that you can find. I am not going to allow your opinion to act in support of your declaration of a fact that you arbitrarily throw out there without proof of the said fact in question.***HOW ABOUT A LEFT-LEANING POLL? THE PEOPLE WHO ARE HAPPIEST WITH OBAMACARE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT WERE BOUGHT OFF BY GIVING THEM SUBSIDIES. WHAT IS REALLY FUNNY IS THIS LITTLE GEM BURIED IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STORY.

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The survey also found that people with insurance plans that comply with Obamacare rules report slightly worse health than those in the old policies that excluded people with preexisting conditions.

EVEN HUFFPO IS STRUGGLING TO MAKE THE BAD NEWS SOUND GOOD.***

Most of Obama's changes to the law also came as a result to try to appease the Republicans who opposed the law, it had nothing to do with retaining political power.DELAYING ASPECTS OF THE LAW THAT NEGATIVELY AFFECT DEMOCRAT VOTES WAS NOT DONE TO APPEASE REPUBLICANS. NEITHER WAS THE ILLEGAL CHANGE OF RULES FOR UNIONS AND GOVERNMENT WORKERS OR THE ILLEGAL CHANGE OF THE LAW PROVIDING SUBSIDIES ON THE FEDERAL EXCHANGES.ONLY 15 OF THE 40+ CHANGES TO THE LAW WERE APPROVED BY CONGRESS, SO YOUR CLAIM THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE CHANGES WAS TO APPEASE REPUBLICANS IS CLEARLY FALSE.*** If his power was so tenuous as some would have you believe, they would have already impeached him, and to date no one has, despite all the blustering that they are going to do it because they think they should.888IF HE'S IMPEACHED IT WILL BE AFTER THE MID-TERM ELECTION. IT MAY ACTUALLY BE MORE BENEFICIAL FOR THE REPUBLICANS TO JUST LET HIM TWIST IN THE WIND FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS RATHER THAN TRY TO IMPEACH HIM WITHOUT THE SUPPORT OF THE MEDIA.***

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* Since the law has been changed prior to this to accomidate other special interest groups like unions and government workers I really think the notion that people with a religious objection to part of the law is so awful just sounds retarded.

Wow, did you just call me retarded?***AS A MATTER OF FACT, YES, I DID.*** Man, if you continue to call me names, I am going to start believing that you do not like me.***GET OVER IT. I AM.*** Let's just think for a minute on the notion that a religious exemption granted to a for profit corporation is retarded.***WHY DON'T YOU CONSIDER THAT NOTION A LITTLE LONGER, AND CONSIDER WHY IT IS MYSTERIOUSLY ALLOWABLE AS PER S.C.O.T.U.S.*** When the church in this country starts paying taxes on their billions of dollars a year business, then you can call me retarded all you want.***I WOULD NOT BE AT ALL OPPOSED TO CHURCHES PAYING TAXES, WHICH DOES NOTHING TO CHANGE THE FACT THAT I WILL CONTINUE TO CALL YOU RETARDED.*** Part of the problem with our government as a whole is that the American people are not being served but special interest groups are, that includes the church.***YOU WERE DOING SO WELL, BUT YOU HAD TO START CRYING AGAIN.*** This country was not founded on biblical principles, and the freedom of religion was granted to the people, not to business. Business historically were subject to the law of the land until corporations got awarded human rights. There is the problem, and if you fail to see it, that is OK, I know I am not going to change your mind because I am retarded and entertaining as well.***ACTUALLY, I'D GIVE YOU HALF CREDIT FOR THAT STATEMENT BASED ON YOUR CORRECT UNDERSTANDING THAT I THINK YOU'RE BOTH MENTALLY CHALLENGED AND ENTERTAINING.***

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* Women managed to find birth control before Obamacare. Do you honestly think that it's not still available? Obamacare has created more of a void in medical coverage than it filled, so the poor and dispossessed are still in need of programs that help them maintain their health. As far as birth control goes, they give the shit away for FREE. Planned Parenthood even has a program to give away Plan B for FREE. Condoms can be obtained for FREE. Birth control pills can be obtained for FREE.

This case was about the "abortion" related contraceptives, even though the court later clarified the decision to include all contraceptives, and if you can sit here and tell me that the clarification was not motivated by the Catholic judges, then I am not certain why I would continue to try to convince you of anything whatsoever. ***IF YOU'RE STILL ENTERTAINING THE IDEA THAT YOU MIGHT CONVINCE ME OF ANYTHING AT THIS POINT, THEN YOU REALLY ARE A RETARDED CLOWN.***So, again, my point remains the same, this is about the hypocrisy of Hobby Lobby's owners, not about how available birth control is for people. ***I DON'T PARTICULARLY FIND YOUR ARGUMENT COMPELLING. ALL ORGANIZATIONS THAT TAKE A MORAL OR ETHICAL STANCE ARE HYPOCRITICAL TO SOME DEGREE. HELL, P.E.T.A KILLS MORE ANIMALS THAN IT SAVES, GREENPEACE CRUISES AROUND THE OCEANS IN BOATS WITH DIESEL MOTORS, AND HABITAT FOR HUMANITY IS SPONSORED BY A BANK (WELLS FARGO) THAT IS NOTORIOUS FOR ILLEGALLY FORECLOSING ON HOMEOWNERS. SHIT HAPPENS.***Glad you told me about the availability of free contraception though, very useful information.***ISN'T IT THOUGH?***

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* America does not work on the feudal system. Workers are free to work wherever they can get a job. Women who work for Hobby Lobby can always go get a job somewhere else if they're unable to facilitate their own vagina maintenance. If.... that is IF this idiotic notion that women are so helpless that they need the government to force businesses to maintain their vaginas is really a good one, then there will be plenty of businesses out there ready to foot that bill. Instead of getting your little panties in a bunch over an extremely narrow ruling, maybe you should see if mandating pussy upkeep passes the "smell test" with the public. If it does then there will be public domain pussy all over this great nation regardless of what a few family owned companies believe is against their religion. All of the oppressed Hobby Lobby women can go find jobs at those companies.

Yes, they can work anywhere and are not forced to work there. Does that somehow make a point that I am missing? ***APPARENTLY IT DOES...***Does that somehow nullify the dangerous judicial precedent set down by the Supreme Court? Dangerous because it opens the door toward discrimination based on religious objection. If history has taught us anything it is that discrimination is futile at best and seriously wrong at its worst. I find it very odd that homosexuals are fighting for their civil rights and yet people are still trying to pass laws allowing discrimination because of religious convictions.***AND YET YOU APPARENTLY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH GAYS DENYING RELIGIOUS PEOPLE THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.*** That happened before in this country and it was wrong then and it is wrong now, if all men are created equal, then everyone has the right to equal treatment under the law.***THE STUPIDITY OF THAT REMARK IN A CONVERSATION ABOUT A LAW THAT SPECIFICALLY EXCLUDES THE GUY WHO CONSIDERS IT HIS LEGACY LEGISLATION AND THE GOVERNING BODY THAT PASSED IT IS FUCKING HILARIOUS! *** If you are even in part a patriot which I do not doubt that you are, then you should understand that equality is paramount to our liberty and freedom. Allowing a corporation to be able to deny someone else of their rights based on a religious conviction is also wrong. This isn't complicated. ***IT ALSO ISN'T COMPLICATED TO UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT OF PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. CORPORATIONS SHOULD NOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR SOMETHING THAT IS EXTREMELY PRIVATE AND INDIVIDUAL IN THE FIRST PLACE.***

I do not believe for one minute that women are helpless. Nor do I believe that they need government to force a business to do anything for them. What I do believe is that a woman's reproductive organs should not be regulated by the government in any way, shape or form. So, if "mandating pussy upkeep" won't pass the smell test with the public, why does the government pass laws having to do with women's vaginas so much and yet pass zero laws regarding the reproductive rights of men? Please explain that to me. Use single syllable words though, me being retarded and all. ***VOTES***

One last thing on this paragraph, you made the statement about me getting my little panties in a bunch. I have a size 40 waist, there is nothing little about my panties. ***IN THE FUTURE I SHALL TRY TO REMEMBER THAT YOU WEAR FAT CHICK PANTIES.***

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To recap:

Since women are not forced to work anywhere they might not get pussy care, AND since it's already been established that special interest groups get special rules concerning the law, AND since Hobby Lobby is not saying their employees can't use the birth control methods they find objectionable if they want to obtain it on their own, AND since birth control is still available for FREE......

I really didn't need a recap, but thanks for making sure I got the message. If you will allow me to recap as well:

Religious freedom does not entitle one to discriminate, although with the Supreme Court decision, it just might. ***MORE CRYING.... THIS GETS REALLY OLD...***Hobby Lobby invested in pharmaceutical companies that produce the very pills they objected to in their complaint before the Supreme Court, this is hypocrisy whether you see it or not.***I SIMPLY DON'T THINK THAT ANY OF THE SHIT YOU LIBS ARE WHINING ABOUT CONCERNING HOBBY LOBBY'S HYPOCRACY AMOUNTS TO ANYTHING WORTH BEING UPSET ABOUT. IT'S INSIGNIFICANT.*** A good amount of their goods come from China, a country that forces women to have abortions as birth control.***I'M AN ATHEIST, AND EVEN I KNOW THAT CHRISTIANS HAVE A MANTRA ABOUT HATING THE SIN NOT THE SINNER. THERE IS NO INCONSISTANCY WITH CHRISTIAN BELIEFS IN DOING BUSINESS WITH PEOPLE WHO DO NOT HAVE THE SAME BELIEFS. IT IS ALSO WHY THE PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES THEY INVEST IN ARE A NON-ISSUE.*** When their shelves are barren of items made in China I might actually be swayed to believe they are not hypocrites after all, until that time, my opinion such as it is will remain intact.***WHY DO YOU CARE WHATS ON THEIR SHELVES? YOU BUY YOUR LITTLE GOOGLY EYES AT ANOTHER STORE...*** You still have done nothing to actually try to debate or rebut my points although you have made an effort.***I'M STILL WAITING FOR YOU TO MAKE A DECENT DEBATE POINT.***

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your arguments sound like the ravings of a clown.

A retarded clown?A RETARDED CLOWN WHO GETS HIS FAT CHICK PANTIES IN A BUNCH AND CRIES ABOUT PETTY BULLSHIT, IF YOU WANT TO BE A LITTLE MORE PRECISE.***

I would discuss with you the meaning of irony, but that is fine, that discussion may well be futile. Please continue to take needless pot-shots at me, my mentality, my panties, and whatever other things you can think of.***NOW THAT YOU'VE OFFICIALLY SANCTIONED IT, PLEASE STOP WHINING ABOUT IT.*** That you must resort to doing so doesn't make you look smarter than I am, it looks to me like the devices of someone who is desperate to make a point and can do nothing to actually impugn a reasonable opposite viewpoint.***FOR THE MOST PART, YOU PRETTY MUCH IMPUGN YOURSELF WITH YOUR IDIOTIC DRIVEL, AND I WOULD HARDLY CALL THE RAVINGS OF A RETARDED CLOWN WHO GETS HIS FAT CHICK PANTIES IN A BUNCH AND CRIES ABOUT PETTY BULLSHIT A REASONABLE VIEWPOINT.