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ThePrincessKali -> RE: What is Tribute? (7/9/2014 3:29:08 AM)

I agree. I enjoy the psychological domination aspect of findom. I am picky w my subs and always specific with what I expect up front. It's never a "trick" and I never use the bait and switch tactic. But like TND an Akasha said this is dependent on not needed the money to survive. Don't get me wrong, I love a new pair of heels or a designer bag that I might not of otherwise bought myself. But I have a normal job, I go to school, and have other hobbies. Findom is a small aspect of my life, it's not what defines me. So I don't think it's fair to lump all Fin Domme's into one category. There are girls who need the money for rent or bills and Wil do anything for a few bucks. But that's not all of us.




TNDommeK -> RE: What is Tribute? (7/9/2014 5:49:29 AM)

Yea, that's the joy of being an actual fin Domme and not a fin duck. I don't NEED the money.




evesgrden -> RE: What is Tribute? (7/9/2014 6:52:26 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: TuliTheUnruli

It isn't pro-dom, and it isn't financial domination; so what is it?


While I'm sure there may be an exception or two out there, we have yet to hear of dommes demanding tribute from their spouse/significant other.

Other definitions of tribute historically are taxation or protection money. If you didn't pay up, there were serious consequences. Today the meaning is more about a token of loyalty or respect on a special occasion. Like once, to royalty.. birth of a child, a wedding etc.

But in d/s it seems to be purely no pay/no play. People just don't appear to do this to their primary partner and I think that speaks volumes.

If you're looking for a long term intimate relationship with someone, it'll be tough to accomplish with someone who's going to charge you for it as an ongoing condition of the relationship.





AAkasha -> RE: What is Tribute? (7/9/2014 7:59:25 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: evesgrden


quote:

ORIGINAL: TuliTheUnruli

It isn't pro-dom, and it isn't financial domination; so what is it?


While I'm sure there may be an exception or two out there, we have yet to hear of dommes demanding tribute from their spouse/significant other.

Other definitions of tribute historically are taxation or protection money. If you didn't pay up, there were serious consequences. Today the meaning is more about a token of loyalty or respect on a special occasion. Like once, to royalty.. birth of a child, a wedding etc.

But in d/s it seems to be purely no pay/no play. People just don't appear to do this to their primary partner and I think that speaks volumes.

If you're looking for a long term intimate relationship with someone, it'll be tough to accomplish with someone who's going to charge you for it as an ongoing condition of the relationship.




Here's an observation on this topic.

When you are talking about "tribute" as in "a token of appreciation" (not necessarily of monetary value - or, an example, a traditionally romantic gesture like flowers or candy), femdoms now are getting lambasted and/or shunned if they state up front they expect this kind of gesture from a sub courting her. I am talking about nothing that would not be out of the ordinary for a vanilla guy to do when he's courting a woman.

Submissive men, especially those who are shy or inexperienced, find comfort and attraction in the idea of a woman who is direct and clear about her expectations. And many sub men don't have a lot of romantic experience because they are shy, and have not pursued women. It's not their nature.

So when a femdom states clearly what her expectations are for courtship, subs now often automatically flip out and say "oh no another tribute femdom!" when they are giving guidelines, often very broad, for gentlemanly behavior.

The fact that some women exist just to exploit men doesn't mean that a man can get away from traditional courtship if that's what the woman requires. And if she is so bold to be clear about it.

If he thinks it's unreasonable, he doesn't have to pursue her. In the vanilla world of dating, the woman who goes on multiple dates with a variety of men from match.com or whatever doesn't state up front she'd like a creative token of courtship on their first date, or it would be gentlemanly for him to offer to pay for the meal (even if she says no, let's go dutch), just don't give the guy a second date, period. Then she complains to her friends that he was cheap.

There are plenty of femdoms that don't care/want any kind of "gesture" and that's fine too -- a sub has to realize though that he needs to look at the ENTIRE scenario when a woman states these expectations. Is it the first email and she says "I demand tribute" or is this after a long exchange and preparation to meet in person for a probable real time thing?

Akasha




CloakedProtector -> RE: What is Tribute? (7/9/2014 2:59:53 PM)

Tribute is a convenience word.

Pro-Dom(me) and pro-sub services are clear and well defined. Service for money.
Prostitution in the non-BDSM scene the same. Service for money.
Both legal or illegal depending on where you are.

But there were 2 other practices in BDSM were financial, goods or services exchange took place as part of lifestyle intensity & reality and they grew a variations of financial domination that is as close to extortion as you can get.

The first one was full dependency. The sub, after knowing the Dominant good, for long and having build a trust relationship, would when her situation allowed it increase the reality of power/control transfer by literally possess nothing any more and so donate it to the Dominant.
This happened with and without contract of mandatory care taking. Problems arose when something happened to the Dominant and if he didn't take any precaution for the case he passed or had an accident. And strangely, these precaution could be to transfer the contract to another Dominant without any say of the submissive, just like property. While for sure a number of the contract terms would not have been enforceable before a court of law, these subs wanted it and therefore it could happen.

The second one were the word tribute (or literally Paying Tribute) would better fit, is indeed in the BDSM play where subs offer all kinds of UNSOLICITED gifts or services to the Dominant. I know a Mistress that told me one of her male slaves was a carpenter and made her several top-notch dungeon tools such as a St A. Cross, a luxury wooden cage, a coffin, etc.

It is mostly this last category that migrated from UNSOLICITED to the SOLICITED gifts when a certain category of Dominants made there entry on the BDSM scene. Many of them did hardly know what BDSM was, with the exception that they could use it as a means of pressure.
From the mild "Where is my little present you bad slave?" to "You know Mistress prefers those little green bills!" to the extreme blackmail and threatening to no longer being allowed to visit the Dominant it all served to fill the cash register.
This is NOT pro-dom(me) or pro-sub, this is extortion.

Some people leave and don't come back, others give in. That is what paying tribute has become in a more then small number of cases. The BDSM scene just lends itself better for this kind of extortion then the prostitution or vanilla scene where no doubt people can also get grip on others passed the traditional relational bonds.







PeonForHer -> RE: What is Tribute? (7/9/2014 5:06:05 PM)

quote:

Submissive men, especially those who are shy or inexperienced, find comfort and attraction in the idea of a woman who is direct and clear about her expectations. And many sub men don't have a lot of romantic experience because they are shy, and have not pursued women. It's not their nature.


I think that's true, Akasha. But such men will also, no doubt as a result of too much fantasising, and romanticising, over the years - rather than dealing with real women in real time - will have somewhat idealised views of them. The scene is: he will want to pay for everything for her, because she's an angel. But if she once actually demands that he pay for her ... she's no longer an angel. She's suddenly, well, a lot lower than that. 'Real ladies just *do not* demand to be paid for' - that's how it goes.

I *know* it's a tightrope. Both sexes have their allotted tightropes, unfortunately.




RumpusParable -> RE: What is Tribute? (7/9/2014 6:52:01 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: evesgrden


quote:

ORIGINAL: TuliTheUnruli

It isn't pro-dom, and it isn't financial domination; so what is it?


While I'm sure there may be an exception or two out there, we have yet to hear of dommes demanding tribute from their spouse/significant other.

Other definitions of tribute historically are taxation or protection money. If you didn't pay up, there were serious consequences. Today the meaning is more about a token of loyalty or respect on a special occasion. Like once, to royalty.. birth of a child, a wedding etc.

But in d/s it seems to be purely no pay/no play. People just don't appear to do this to their primary partner and I think that speaks volumes.

If you're looking for a long term intimate relationship with someone, it'll be tough to accomplish with someone who's going to charge you for it as an ongoing condition of the relationship.





*raises hand*

My marriage had financial domination as a long, long-term portion of it. It stated after about 3 years in and lasted for the next 12. And "charge you for it as an ongoing condition of the relationship" isn't always the case with those intimate relationships that do it.

However, for those it is, I can't see how that's different than finding a long term intimate relationship with someone when foot fetish play is a necessary component to the relationship. Finding one's correct match (kink or vanilla) is hard and then after that there is always the risk that one partner will change in a way that makes the relationship disintegrate or not but become unhappy.




ThePrincessKali -> RE: What is Tribute? (7/10/2014 4:19:51 AM)

I think extortion might be a stretch. Personally I don't do blackmail but you might be surprised at the endless amount of sub men who ask Dommes to blackmail them. So in the cases you're talking about I, I wouldn't be surprised if the sub men had asked for blackmail, gotten it, and then freaked out. Hence the reason I don't indulge in it. And just as you stated some leave and some go back. But at the end of the day they are adults making conscious decisions about their own lives. I find that fin subs seem to be seen as weak helpless men and we evil Domme's are taking advantage of them. When in reality 90% of the time, they approach us.

And to give an answer to the OP question with a personal experience that best describes tribute: I had posted a blog or an ad on craigslist or backpages or one of those sites years ago about Findom. Somehow, a guy who wrote a blog about money management got ahold of my post and linked it with an article about Financial Domination. A man emailed me saying he had seen my post in an article and he had been seeking a situation like that for years but knew nothing of findom. He asked if he could send me a giftcard, I accepted. He then began sending me "tributes" via paypal and items from my online wishlist. I would send him photos of me in the shoes or bags he purchased. He told me to him, it was like "Goddess worship." And as in many old religions, you would pay tribute to your God or Goddess. I'm not saying I was his religion but he felt compelled to continue this. He never asked for anything in return, no sessions. I offered to send the photos as a thank you for the time and effort he spent getting to know me and finding out about my personal style so he could choose items he knew I would like. He would tell me that paying tribute to me brought him an overwhelming amount of joy. So to me that's what tribute is. I don't think of it as an exchange, I.E. I'll do this for x amount of money. That's paying for a service. A tribute is a gesture, putting them on a pedestal because you want to.

And to touch on bringing a tribute to a meet. I agree 100%. If I go on a vanilla date and the guy brings me flowers or a small thoughtful gift I will be much more likely to go out with them again. Not because I expect money from them but because of the sentiment behind it. It shows that someone really cares. On one of my online profiles on a vanilla dating site I mentioned that I was afraid of zombie movies and on a first date a gave me a book entitled, The Zombie Survival Guide. It wasn't an expensive gift but it showed he paid attention to what I had to say and was thoughtful. I didn't request it but it was a lovely gesture. I don't think it's any different than a Domme wanting a small tribute during a first meet to show sincerity.

quote:

ORIGINAL: CloakedProtector

Tribute is a convenience word.

Pro-Dom(me) and pro-sub services are clear and well defined. Service for money.
Prostitution in the non-BDSM scene the same. Service for money.
Both legal or illegal depending on where you are.

But there were 2 other practices in BDSM were financial, goods or services exchange took place as part of lifestyle intensity & reality and they grew a variations of financial domination that is as close to extortion as you can get.

The first one was full dependency. The sub, after knowing the Dominant good, for long and having build a trust relationship, would when her situation allowed it increase the reality of power/control transfer by literally possess nothing any more and so donate it to the Dominant.
This happened with and without contract of mandatory care taking. Problems arose when something happened to the Dominant and if he didn't take any precaution for the case he passed or had an accident. And strangely, these precaution could be to transfer the contract to another Dominant without any say of the submissive, just like property. While for sure a number of the contract terms would not have been enforceable before a court of law, these subs wanted it and therefore it could happen.

The second one were the word tribute (or literally Paying Tribute) would better fit, is indeed in the BDSM play where subs offer all kinds of UNSOLICITED gifts or services to the Dominant. I know a Mistress that told me one of her male slaves was a carpenter and made her several top-notch dungeon tools such as a St A. Cross, a luxury wooden cage, a coffin, etc.

It is mostly this last category that migrated from UNSOLICITED to the SOLICITED gifts when a certain category of Dominants made there entry on the BDSM scene. Many of them did hardly know what BDSM was, with the exception that they could use it as a means of pressure.
From the mild "Where is my little present you bad slave?" to "You know Mistress prefers those little green bills!" to the extreme blackmail and threatening to no longer being allowed to visit the Dominant it all served to fill the cash register.
This is NOT pro-dom(me) or pro-sub, this is extortion.

Some people leave and don't come back, others give in. That is what paying tribute has become in a more then small number of cases. The BDSM scene just lends itself better for this kind of extortion then the prostitution or vanilla scene where no doubt people can also get grip on others passed the traditional relational bonds.









GotSteel -> RE: What is Tribute? (7/10/2014 4:58:42 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: TNDommeK
Yea, that's the joy of being an actual fin Domme and not a fin duck. I don't NEED the money.


Please tell me there's more of a difference than that.




TNDommeK -> RE: What is Tribute? (7/10/2014 9:54:12 AM)

Oh there's a huuuuuge list of differences.
That was just one!




thompsonx -> RE: What is Tribute? (7/10/2014 4:34:11 PM)


ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

I think that's true, Akasha. But such men will also, no doubt as a result of too much fantasising, and romanticising, over the years - rather than dealing with real women in real time - will have somewhat idealised views of them. The scene is: he will want to pay for everything for her, because she's an angel. But if she once actually demands that he pay for her ... she's no longer an angel. She's suddenly, well, a lot lower than that. 'Real ladies just *do not* demand to be paid for' - that's how it goes.

I *know* it's a tightrope. Both sexes have their allotted tightropes, unfortunately.


Seldom have I seen a 5-7 executed with such technical skill and physical grace...bravo young man, bravo




thompsonx -> RE: What is Tribute? (7/10/2014 4:38:22 PM)


ORIGINAL: RumpusParable

My marriage had financial domination as a long, long-term portion of it. It stated after about 3 years in and lasted for the next 12. And "charge you for it as an ongoing condition of the relationship" isn't always the case with those intimate relationships that do it.

I have to ask: Who charged whom?
How much?
How was the money spent?




thompsonx -> RE: What is Tribute? (7/10/2014 4:44:44 PM)

ORIGINAL: TNDommeK


Yes this is true. I'm trying to remember which of my slaves commented. I would probably have to find the thread and review it as well. But if memory serves correctly, it was leex1963 (or something like that) and the other I definitely can't remember. However they do identify themselves as belonging to me.
Sorry I can't help more.


I really miss her. I really loved her, more than I can really express. I sure do miss ol what's her name.




MistressDarkArt -> RE: What is Tribute? (7/10/2014 4:49:17 PM)

For me, Tuli, tribute is fresh dungeness crab hand-carried from Alioto's in San Francisco. When Huck brings me a couple of those on ice, I just melt.




TNDommeK -> RE: What is Tribute? (7/10/2014 11:07:53 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: thompsonx

ORIGINAL: TNDommeK


Yes this is true. I'm trying to remember which of my slaves commented. I would probably have to find the thread and review it as well. But if memory serves correctly, it was leex1963 (or something like that) and the other I definitely can't remember. However they do identify themselves as belonging to me.
Sorry I can't help more.


I really miss her. I really loved her, more than I can really express. I sure do miss ol what's her name.



Lol I like that.
I just prefer to deal with them personally in real life. So their real names are more important than some long ass screen name.




ivone57 -> RE: What is Tribute? (7/10/2014 11:38:04 PM)

its an online thing where you pay the other person to show your gratitude or something... I personally think they should get off their asses and work for their money instead of taking someone elses... just saying




TNDommeK -> RE: What is Tribute? (7/11/2014 8:32:33 AM)

Sigh.....

Another misinformed person.
I own two businesses, I'm a pro Domme, a dancer AND I accept tribute.
So I'm lazy? No, didn't think so.




DomLVHend -> RE: What is Tribute? (7/11/2014 8:35:43 AM)

A tribute means your paying someone to play at being a dominant while they talk to you. Afterwards they turn off the computer and both go back to their vanilla lives. If you're just looking for play, use them. If your looking for real life, laugh and run away.




DesFIP -> RE: What is Tribute? (7/11/2014 11:05:16 AM)

There's another form of tribute that hasn't been mentioned.

Sub males have a high rate of agreeing to meet and not showing. Probably because they've lied about age, weight, marriage status. So many lifestyle dommes will also demand tribute, usually something costing around $25 which is less than buying her a meal at Applebees. It's done because a guy who isn't planning to meet won't spend that on an Amazon wish list.

But a guy who is serious will. It's a way of weeding out time wasters.




GotSteel -> RE: What is Tribute? (7/11/2014 2:13:41 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DesFIP
So many lifestyle dommes will also demand tribute, usually something costing around $25 which is less than buying her a meal at Applebees.


More than $25.....what are you eating at Applebees?




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