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littleladybug -> RE: What is Tribute? (7/27/2014 4:49:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies You girls might think they were idiots, but they were strong willed intelligent women with too much respect for themselves to allow any man to bankroll them. I guess feminism has different meanings in some places and to some people Strong-willed? Yup Intelligent? I like to think so. Self-respect? Sure. Going to make sure that "all is even" when it comes to paying for dates? Not on your life. I have been around the block enough, and have seen enough of, what is IMO, "twisted feminism", to just shake my head at the whole "we're even" now thing when it comes to male/female relationships, in whatever form. To bring it back to the "tribute" issue of this thread... Whether it's someone taking me out to dinner....or a male sub giving a Domme a "tribute"....this is what people WANT to do. It gives them a sense of self. (For the record, I am speaking now about someone who has a full grasp of his faculties and is able to make informed decisions...) If someone honestly WANTS to do this, who is anyone to judge it? Sure, it may not be what we would choose, but heck, to use the idea of "feminism" as "what should be"? Holy hell, I think most of us can probably think of one or two examples of how "feminism" has really not worked out all that well... Earlier this month, I spent a week with a Dom friend of mine. With my own situation at this point, I would have been unable to sport the trip on my own, let alone all of the eating out, etc. Honestly, it bothered me. Even now, as I think back on it, I am conflicted...and honestly am kicking myself for having that reaction. This guy, who is in complete control of all of his faculties, WANTED to do this....to spend this time with me...why in the world shouldn't I accept it for what it is? In this situation, where has "feminism" gotten me? ABSOLUTELY NOWHERE. There are a lot of people in this world who get JOY out of taking care of someone...whether it be in the form of tribute or otherwise. If their arms aren't being broken as they're doing it, I simply fail to see where the harm is.

thompsonx -> RE: What is Tribute? (7/27/2014 8:08:48 PM)
ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies You girls might think they were idiots, but they were strong willed intelligent women with too much respect for themselves to allow any man to bankroll them. Would you let just any banker bankroll your business or would you be choosy about who you obligated yourself to? I guess feminism has different meanings in some places and to some people There are any number of mcp who relish in denigrating feminism. Just as there are any number of women who will seek any advantage that t&a can give them so also do men seek any advantage that their class/economy will afford them. As long as you disaprove of feminism and equality of all human beings you will keep finding excuses to support your position.

thompsonx -> RE: What is Tribute? (7/27/2014 8:09:58 PM)
ORIGINAL: FieryOpal quote: ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies quote: ORIGINAL: FieryOpal the man is overreaching his pay grade So it is all about the money then, interesting. No, you are taking this saying literally. It means he is out of her league, which could be for any number of reasons (one of which may very well be his whiny, parsimonious attitude). That would make it about the money then wouldn't it?

thompsonx -> RE: What is Tribute? (7/27/2014 8:11:08 PM)
ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies I could never imagine going out to dinner and having any respect for a woman who expected the man to pay for everything, If you invite someone out to dinner why would you expect them to pay?

TNDommeK -> RE: What is Tribute? (7/27/2014 8:22:31 PM)
This^ x 1000

FieryOpal -> RE: What is Tribute? (7/27/2014 10:42:47 PM)
[Brackets mine re clarity] quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: FieryOpal quote: ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies quote: ORIGINAL: FieryOpal the man is overreaching his pay grade So it is all about the money then, interesting. No, you are taking this saying literally. It means [she] is out of [his] league, which could be for any number of reasons (one of which may very well be his whiny, parsimonious attitude). That would make it about the money then wouldn't it? Anybody who has been a civil servant or in the military knows what 'above your paygrade' means, which is a combination of the following: -- Classified information of a sensitive nature to which you have not reached a high-enough clearance level to be entrusted with (for national security reasons). -- Knowledge which is above your ability to properly assimilate and/or process. -- Responsibilities which you have not yet obtained the ability to shoulder and/or execute. -- Resources which you cannot yet be entrusted with to allocate efficiently and efficaciously. -- Whatever else you are not qualified for. To wit, "out of your league; out of your pay grade": "An expression used when a girl is just too hot for you and you have absolutely no chance with her. Dude don't even try it, she's way out of your league." http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=out%20of%20your%20league Now, where in the above is the focus ENTIRELY upon MONEY? [8\|] Money is A factor, Success is A factor, Stinginess or Lack of Generosity is A factor--These I won't deny. Do I want my daughter to hook up with some broke-ass slob who shovels his food into his mouth when he eats, has the social skills of a slug, and comes from a family of cretins? Hell, no. So, in answer to your question(s), this would NOT make it "all about the money."

thompsonx -> RE: What is Tribute? (7/28/2014 7:11:54 AM)
ORIGINAL: FieryOpal Now, where in the above is the focus ENTIRELY upon MONEY? [8\|] Money is A factor, Success is A factor, Stinginess or Lack of Generosity is A factor--These I won't deny. Do I want my daughter to hook up with some broke-ass slob who shovels his food into his mouth when he eats, has the social skills of a slug, and comes from a family of cretins? Hell, no. So, in answer to your question(s), this would NOT make it "all about the money." It is clear that it is not solely about the money,but without the money there is no other to consider.

gentlyobedient -> RE: What is Tribute? (7/28/2014 8:36:03 AM)
IMHO The word tribute used in this context is just a euphemism for payment. Over the decades the sex industry has been trying to clean up it's image by changing the way services are described. It's similar to how homosexual redefined the word gay. Prostitutes became escorts with those offering specialist services like Domination, bdsm and alike becoming Pro Dommes. The word tribute is just a nicer way of letting a would be contact know they are being offered a service they will have to pay for. As for so called fin Dommes, well I suppose it's each to their own, but my opinion of them isn't very high, and in truth I feel sorry for anyone whose so desperate that they'd enter into such a situation. I'm 61 years old and the urge to submit seems to get stronger as the urge for sex weakens. However I would never even consider contacting a fin Domme, or using the services of a Pro Domme. But that's just me, and lets face it were all very different in our approach to the "lifestyle".

TNDommeK -> RE: What is Tribute? (7/28/2014 10:47:27 AM)
I'm sure a fin dommes opinion of you isn't so high either. There is nothing "desparate" about any situation. Perhaps you should research before you say things that you don't understand.

MissKittyDeVine -> RE: What is Tribute? (7/28/2014 1:20:56 PM)
You are correct in calling tribute a euphemism for payment. However, you are way off the mark in calling Pro Dommes a side shoot of prostitution.

CreativeDominant -> RE: What is Tribute? (7/28/2014 1:24:16 PM)
Actually TbD...I think he was referring to any submissive being desperate enough to pay for play.

FieryOpal -> RE: What is Tribute? (7/28/2014 1:41:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant Actually TbD...I think he was referring to any submissive being desperate enough to pay for play. What do pro-subs call it when they charge? Tribute? (Advance) Fee for services [to be] rendered? Male submissives aren't the only ones desperate to pay for play. [:)]

mnottertail -> RE: What is Tribute? (7/28/2014 2:02:45 PM)
tribute is that little clicking sound coming from the refrigerator you are scared will make you have to get a new one soon.

thompsonx -> RE: What is Tribute? (7/28/2014 2:39:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: gentlyobedient IMHO The word tribute used in this context is just a euphemism for payment. Over the decades the sex industry has been trying to clean up it's image by changing the way services are described. It's similar to how homosexual redefined the word gay. Did I just get the not so subtle message that homosexuality needed to be "cleaned up"? Prostitutes became escorts with those offering specialist services like Domination, bdsm and alike becoming Pro Dommes. The word tribute is just a nicer way of letting a would be contact know they are being offered a service they will have to pay for. Do you know many people who work for free? As for so called fin Dommes, well I suppose it's each to their own, but my opinion of them isn't very high, and in truth I feel sorry for anyone whose so desperate that they'd enter into such a situation. I feel pretty much the same way about coal miners and garbage collectors and comercial fishermen(these are occupations that have a very high mortality and injury rate,)they don't pay worth a shit and only those driven by poverty and hunger would stoop to doing such dangerous things. I'm 61 years old and the urge to submit seems to get stronger as the urge for sex weakens. However I would never even consider contacting a fin Domme, or using the services of a Pro Domme. But that's just me, Some people sleep in couples and some sleep alone. and lets face it were all very different in our approach to the "lifestyle". I would like to quote malcom forbes when asked why he was phoquing liz taylor..."I am old, she is hawt, I can afford her."

CreativeDominant -> RE: What is Tribute? (7/28/2014 3:00:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FieryOpal quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant Actually TbD...I think he was referring to any submissive being desperate enough to pay for play. 6What do pro-subs call it when they charge? Tribute? (Advance) Fee for services [to be] rendered? I am not sure. I wonder....would the first tribute (shekels of shame?) be to show that the Dominant is serious? That they appreciate the submissive giving their time to them? quote: Male submissives aren't the only ones desperate to pay for play. [:)] I know...but even with the abundance of HNGs on here, pro-submission does not seem to be a big thing, if it is present at all. Is it? I honestly don't know

ThePrincessKali -> RE: What is Tribute? (7/28/2014 3:01:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: gentlyobedient IMHO The word tribute used in this context is just a euphemism for payment. Over the decades the sex industry has been trying to clean up it's image by changing the way services are described. It's similar to how homosexual redefined the word gay. Prostitutes became escorts with those offering specialist services like Domination, bdsm and alike becoming Pro Dommes. The word tribute is just a nicer way of letting a would be contact know they are being offered a service they will have to pay for. As for so called fin Dommes, well I suppose it's each to their own, but my opinion of them isn't very high, and in truth I feel sorry for anyone whose so desperate that they'd enter into such a situation. I'm 61 years old and the urge to submit seems to get stronger as the urge for sex weakens. However I would never even consider contacting a fin Domme, or using the services of a Pro Domme. But that's just me, and lets face it were all very different in our approach to the "lifestyle". What is wrong with homosexuals that their culture needs to be "cleaned up?" And have you ever actually had a conversation with a real Fin Domme or Fin Sub so see what they are getting out of it? Bc I'm a Fin Domme and am not "desperate" by any stretch. I am educated, furthering my education, gainfully employed in an exciting career, and lead a full life including hobbies, friends, dating, and social events. And I don't know much about prostitution or being an escort but I don't think they use the word tribute. And tribute is like paying homage to someone or an entity. Many ancient cultures paid "tribute" to Gods. During many monarchs subjects paid "tribute" to Queens, Kings, rulers. And Fin Dommes and Pro Dommes are not prostitutes. Not all at least. And generalized an entire group of people bc you personally don't enjoy that fetish is judgmental but seeing as your entire post seemed to have several judgmental and hateful undertones I am not surprised by your ignorance.

PeonForHer -> RE: What is Tribute? (7/28/2014 3:38:55 PM)
Noooooo - don't protest too much.

deathtothepixies -> RE: What is Tribute? (7/28/2014 4:34:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies I could never imagine going out to dinner and having any respect for a woman who expected the man to pay for everything, If you invite someone out to dinner why would you expect them to pay? I am always willing and prepared to pay for the first date, but I am not going to have a row if she insists on paying half. Did you miss the bit where I said when I pay for the first date she pays for the second? Not because I am unwilling but because she wants to and thinks it is the right thing to do

deathtothepixies -> RE: What is Tribute? (7/28/2014 4:41:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FieryOpal broke-ass slob who shovels his food into his mouth when he eats, has the social skills of a slug, and comes from a family of cretins? lol. we all know what you meant by "overreaching his pay grade" as do you and it had nothing to do with the civil service or the military. I think the quote tells us a lot about how you think of people who are broke. Follow the money

deathtothepixies -> RE: What is Tribute? (7/28/2014 4:44:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx As long as you disaprove of feminism and equality of all human beings you will keep finding excuses to support your position. erm, what? Please tell me what I have posted which shows that I disapprove of feminism and equality?

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