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RE: English Fluency, a Reasonable Request - 7/3/2014 8:49:05 AM   
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But you have not explained why they hired them in the first place... Are you saying they purposely hired them just to be racists and fire them with glee? That makes no sense whatsoever.


The simply answer is, they would get sued from many directions for only hiring 'certain kinds of people'. From the NLRB to private lawyers looking to score big on racial discrimination. The company hired these individuals to avoid the problems, and believed could remove the undesirables later, quietly, while no one was looking. They apparently were quite wrong.

If a company requires someone to be competent with the English language, they have to apply it across the board. I suspect those white folks didn't have a problem passing those level 400 English courses in college, right? Or of management taking the same tests to show leadership; lead by example.

To me, it sounds like a company that had an opportunity to make some real gains, and it went with the same path that has not worked for other companies in the past.

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RE: English Fluency, a Reasonable Request - 7/3/2014 8:52:52 AM   
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You can't blame a company fighting for profit and a reasonable bottom line in this economic climate in not turning their business into a school house. We just don't know all the economic circumstances involved to be judges.

These type of stories seldom tell the full story or they would not sell.


"...this economic climate..."?

The one in which the country is in its forth straight month of job creation, and this month's is over the 200K mark? The economy in which the DOW is nearly double its value when President Obama took office? The economy that shows all by two industries making positive gains, if not real gains? The economy in which more people are becoming generous in giving to charities big and small across the nation?

That economy?

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RE: English Fluency, a Reasonable Request - 7/3/2014 8:59:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		Nah... this is not how it works...HR could easily just screen through applications or interviews... and be perfectly within the law. I know...I've done it and so does every company... It is not illegal or immoral... You hire the best employee for the job.

I've had as many as 150 people apply for a job and I've never had a problem legally picking someone that could communicate properly.

I believe they made a calculated decision to hire these workers in good faith and it just did not work out. Now I could be wrong but so could you...at least until more of the story comes out... But you know what... this story will not be in the news again because if the truth came out it would not be sensational news.

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RE: English Fluency, a Reasonable Request - 7/3/2014 9:52:26 AM   
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Because he is obama...

Yeah, that's not an answer.



Because it IS President Obama's Administration.

Has someone else become President?

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RE: English Fluency, a Reasonable Request - 7/3/2014 10:00:12 AM   
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Nah... this is not how it works...HR could easily just screen through applications or interviews... and be perfectly within the law. I know...I've done it and so does every company... It is not illegal or immoral... You hire the best employee for the job.

I've had as many as 150 people apply for a job and I've never had a problem legally picking someone that could communicate properly.

I believe they made a calculated decision to hire these workers in good faith and it just did not work out. Now I could be wrong but so could you...at least until more of the story comes out... But you know what... this story will not be in the news again because if the truth came out it would not be sensational news.

Butch

It's also, though, unlikely the feds would undertake a case without merit -- they cost money.

So...the courts will decide whether this is veiled discrimination or the administration missed the mark.

I agree something isn't adding up. Probably why it's in court.



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RE: English Fluency, a Reasonable Request - 7/3/2014 5:52:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok, something I heard from a professor but can't find online documentation for. But, this thread reminded me....

Back int he 60s, some exec at GM wanted to try and peg what made for a successful businessman. So, a program was started to give IQ tests to all employees and interpret the results. Oddly enough, the bell curve fit both the execs and the lowliest janitorial staff. There was no intelligence marker for success. Back to the testing board.
Comprehensive testing at all levels of the company came back with only one difference between the lowest levels of employees and the highest levels of management. The difference? The ability to communicate in the English language which was the majority language where they did business back then. (These days I guess they should be proficient in Chinese)

Just tossing out what this thread brought to mind.

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RE: English Fluency, a Reasonable Request - 7/3/2014 6:58:11 PM   
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Its the most sensible answer, when you look at a haters reasoning.


Haters dont reason sweetie...... As shown by the OP.



The haters are the knuckle draggers who don't mind destroying that which the refugees seek by burying it in said refugees

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RE: English Fluency, a Reasonable Request - 7/3/2014 7:53:25 PM   
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... though, unlikely the feds would undertake a case without merit -- they cost money.




You're kidding right???

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RE: English Fluency, a Reasonable Request - 7/3/2014 8:00:56 PM   
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... though, unlikely the feds would undertake a case without merit -- they cost money.




You're kidding right???


He probably believes that the Feds never spend a dime they don't have to

He worships DC like its a god

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RE: English Fluency, a Reasonable Request - 7/4/2014 4:47:37 AM   
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RE: English Fluency, a Reasonable Request - 7/4/2014 8:57:32 AM   
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So, does the ear doctor notice a drop in hearing from all those Voices in your head?


Projecting again, Mr Moose?

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RE: English Fluency, a Reasonable Request - 7/4/2014 11:36:00 AM   
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The haters are the knuckle draggers who don't mind destroying that which the refugees seek by burying it in said refugees



Did someone mention English fluency, because I am not seeing it.

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RE: English Fluency, a Reasonable Request - 7/4/2014 11:45:47 AM   
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The haters are the knuckle draggers who don't mind destroying that which the refugees seek by burying it in said refugees

Did someone mention English fluency, because I am not seeing it.


Meh. What do you know about speaking English? lol

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RE: English Fluency, a Reasonable Request - 7/4/2014 11:51:08 AM   
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RE: English Fluency, a Reasonable Request - 7/4/2014 12:08:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		In Pathfinder (i.e. Dungeons and Dragons 3.75 edition really), they have a language called 'Common'.

"What is 'Common', Mr. GM" (the GM is the Game Master, whom brings the story to the players).

"Its the most common language known throughout all the lands."

"So if I'm in one land, the people there speak the same 'Common' as they do an ocean and lands away?"

"yes" says the GM.

"But here in the real world, English is spoken in America, but not that 'common' in Europe."

"That is reality, this is a fantasy."

"So if everyone speaks 'Common', why would anyone want to speak, 'Elvish'? (the player is playing a halfing)

The Elf in the party chimes in, "Because we are snobs!"

After a brief chuckle....

"So why would I want to learn to speak Troll?"

"Well that's easy. If your character were ever to enter reality, he could speak to the Republicans fluently!" The GM states with a straight face....

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RE: English Fluency, a Reasonable Request - 7/4/2014 12:38:28 PM   
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Did someone mention English fluency, because I am not seeing it.


Yeah, I spent some time trying to figure out what that sentence meant. I considered asking him about it but decided to masturbate instead.

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RE: English Fluency, a Reasonable Request - 7/4/2014 1:32:07 PM   
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Yeah, I spent some time trying to figure out what that sentence meant. I considered asking him about it but decided to masturbate instead.


Its okay, not everyone can keep up

And masturbation is good in your case, please dont reproduce

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RE: English Fluency, a Reasonable Request - 7/4/2014 1:35:38 PM   
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RE: English Fluency, a Reasonable Request - 7/4/2014 1:36:53 PM   
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I actually got it, despite the lack of puntuation, but then im fluent in in sanity


Wow

Youre full of... surprises

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RE: English Fluency, a Reasonable Request - 7/4/2014 1:59:15 PM   
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In Pathfinder (i.e. Dungeons and Dragons 3.75 edition really), they have a language called 'Common'.


I've no idea how to speak 'common', myself - though PoliteSub probably speaks it fluently because he was brought up in London.

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