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joether -> RE: The ignorance of liberals (7/12/2014 8:11:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: subrosaDom
I'd like Obama impeached, although that's impossible today given the composition of the Senate. So we'll have to settle for Lois Lerner's being put into jail and ratting on The Great One. Then even Dems would have to vote for impeachment (well, enough of them: 33 needn't turn at all).


Yeah, Republicans trying to impeach the President is rather laughable for two BIG reasons:

1 ) The last time Republicans Impeached a President it was for lying right?

Bill Clinton was impeached for what? Lying to Congress and America for having an affair?

George W. Bush was not impeached for lying to Congress and America about Iraq. 3,000+ DEAD US SOLDIERS, 32,500+ WOUNDED US SOLDIERS, and spending $1 Trillion of borrowed money with an estimated final price tag of between $4-6 Trillion dollars.

Even you could understand the hypocrisy on display here, right?

2 ) The President getting impeached for doing his job? When this Congress is now on record as the SECOND LEAST PRODUCTIVE CONGRESS in 238 year?!?!?!?!?!? And when was the least productive Congress in America? 2013. Who was the Speaker of the House in both years? John Boehner. The guy suing the President right now!

You can not be intellectually honest here and say Republicans have NOT been obstructing any of the numerous processes to get things done in Congress. Nor of stating they have done a great deal of work in finding common ground. Whose fault was the super committee that was formed back in 2013? Republicans. Who wanted to shut down the US Government? The Republicians.

An you cant hold the Republican/Tea Party accountable and responsible with power to even a billionth the level you slam the President and Democrats. Added to it, that your in 'The Low Information Voter' group. Think your not in the, TLIVG? What is the 'Grandfather Clause' as defined towards a health insurance policy under the ACA? What criteria would be used to determine if a policy was legal after March of 2014?

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ORIGINAL: subrosaDom
Biden is maybe an idiot or perhaps it's a vaudeville act, but I don't think he hates the US and he lacks the support Obama has. You can't oppose Joe Biden and be called a racist. The country would benefit from a Biden presidency (as compared to an Obama one). Also Biden has some political chops. He'd actually talk to the Republicans. Not sure if that's good or bad for us, but I do believe he'd talk.


Vice President Biden could easily school any of the Republican/Tea Party idiots that want to run for the GOP/TP nomination any day of the week! Mr. Biden has plenty of support from Americans. And you are quite uninformed on something with Mr. Biden. He and the President talk to Republicans....VERY...often.




BamaD -> RE: The ignorance of liberals (7/12/2014 8:15:05 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: joether

quote:

ORIGINAL: subrosaDom
I'd like Obama impeached, although that's impossible today given the composition of the Senate. So we'll have to settle for Lois Lerner's being put into jail and ratting on The Great One. Then even Dems would have to vote for impeachment (well, enough of them: 33 needn't turn at all).


Yeah, Republicans trying to impeach the President is rather laughable for two BIG reasons:

1 ) The last time Republicans Impeached a President it was for lying right?

Bill Clinton was impeached for what? Lying to Congress and America for having an affair?

George W. Bush was not impeached for lying to Congress and America about Iraq. 3,000+ DEAD US SOLDIERS, 32,500+ WOUNDED US SOLDIERS, and spending $1 Trillion of borrowed money with an estimated final price tag of between $4-6 Trillion dollars.

Even you could understand the hypocrisy on display here, right?

2 ) The President getting impeached for doing his job? When this Congress is now on record as the SECOND LEAST PRODUCTIVE CONGRESS in 238 year?!?!?!?!?!? And when was the least productive Congress in America? 2013. Who was the Speaker of the House in both years? John Boehner. The guy suing the President right now!

You can not be intellectually honest here and say Republicans have NOT been obstructing any of the numerous processes to get things done in Congress. Nor of stating they have done a great deal of work in finding common ground. Whose fault was the super committee that was formed back in 2013? Republicans. Who wanted to shut down the US Government? The Republicians.

An you cant hold the Republican/Tea Party accountable and responsible with power to even a billionth the level you slam the President and Democrats. Added to it, that your in 'The Low Information Voter' group. Think your not in the, TLIVG? What is the 'Grandfather Clause' as defined towards a health insurance policy under the ACA? What criteria would be used to determine if a policy was legal after March of 2014?

quote:

ORIGINAL: subrosaDom
Biden is maybe an idiot or perhaps it's a vaudeville act, but I don't think he hates the US and he lacks the support Obama has. You can't oppose Joe Biden and be called a racist. The country would benefit from a Biden presidency (as compared to an Obama one). Also Biden has some political chops. He'd actually talk to the Republicans. Not sure if that's good or bad for us, but I do believe he'd talk.


Vice President Biden could easily school any of the Republican/Tea Party idiots that want to run for the GOP/TP nomination any day of the week! Mr. Biden has plenty of support from Americans. And you are quite uninformed on something with Mr. Biden. He and the President talk to Republicans....VERY...often.

To, at, not with.




Kirata -> RE: The ignorance of liberals (7/12/2014 8:27:00 PM)


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ORIGINAL: joether

Vice President Biden could easily school... Mr. Biden has plenty of support...

Coincidentally, today is a Full Moon.

K.





lovmuffin -> RE: The ignorance of liberals (7/12/2014 8:34:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: DomKen


I said less felt recoil liar. If you can't read at least quote me.

The range you hunt deer at and the range you kill people at are different now aren't they?

Energy is never consumed. You feel less recoil if the weapon is heavier and you feel a tiny bit less if some energy is diverted to operate the action but you can do the math and see that the losses involved mean that those losses amount to such a trivial loss that what is really going on is a time delay and a transfer of where you feel it not a loss of how much energy.


Not good at running away are you robin
And you still don't know what you are talking about
you don't feel the recoil with a blow back or a gas operated auto loader like you do with a bolt of the same weight.
As usual you rattle on to sound like you know something when you don't.
And talk about misquoting I didn't say how much it dropped the recoil but when you drop
the caliber to a .223 plus the advantage of being gas operated you have a long gun I can shoot like a pistol.
And before you state another lie about me being taken in by the manufactures I have said several times before the first time you said that that I personally have no use for the .223.
And of course unlike you I can't subdue a trained police officer when I have a broken arm.
And Sir Robin what happened to you declaring this conversation to be over? Guess you even lied about that didn't you?



I especially liked the part about hunting deer and killing people are at different ranges. LMAO




Sanity -> RE: The ignorance of liberals (7/12/2014 8:38:22 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


quote:

ORIGINAL: joether

Vice President Biden could easily school... Mr. Biden has plenty of support...

Coincidentally, today is a Full Moon.

K.




"Super" full

Closer to Earth than usual




Sanity -> RE: The ignorance of liberals (7/12/2014 9:11:22 PM)


On topic...

quote:



Bill Maher: ‘Liberals Are Just Sometimes Useless Obama Hacks’

There was a study done this week, found out that online conversations that were intercepted and stored by the NSA, nine out of ten were not from foreigners – they’re from ordinary citizens. And I want to read this: “Many files,” it says, “described as useless by the analysts, but had a startingly intimate even voyeuristic quality. Stories of love and heartbreak, illicit sexual liaisons, mental health crises and disappointed hopes.” Move over Taxicab Confessions, we have a new -- this is exactly what they said they weren’t going to do. Just be nosey and look into the lives of private people for their own shits and giggles.

And I just want to say, if this was happening under Bush, liberals would be apoplectic. I’m sorry, but liberals are just sometimes useless Obama hacks without a shred of intellectual honesty.

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brent-baker/2014/07/12/bill-maher-liberals-are-just-sometimes-useless-obama-hacks#ixzz37JmscQIe




DomKen -> RE: The ignorance of liberals (7/12/2014 10:07:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

Not good at running away are you robin
And you still don't know what you are talking about
you don't feel the recoil with a blow back or a gas operated auto loader like you do with a bolt of the same weight.
As usual you rattle on to sound like you know something when you don't.
And talk about misquoting I didn't say how much it dropped the recoil but when you drop
the caliber to a .223 plus the advantage of being gas operated you have a long gun I can shoot like a pistol.
And before you state another lie about me being taken in by the manufactures I have said several times before the first time you said that that I personally have no use for the .223.
And of course unlike you I can't subdue a trained police officer when I have a broken arm.
And Sir Robin what happened to you declaring this conversation to be over? Guess you even lied about that didn't you?


You are so telling lies about me so I'll clear them up but since you don't know physics trying to explain reality to your dumbass is over. BTW just out of curiosity do know what would actually happen if a semi automatic actually did reduce the recoil from a fired round? The actual real physics? Not your dumbass fantasy? Try thinking about this for a second, for every action there must be an equal and opposite reaction. Think, it might dawn on you.




DomKen -> RE: The ignorance of liberals (7/12/2014 10:12:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: DomKen


I said less felt recoil liar. If you can't read at least quote me.

The range you hunt deer at and the range you kill people at are different now aren't they?

Energy is never consumed. You feel less recoil if the weapon is heavier and you feel a tiny bit less if some energy is diverted to operate the action but you can do the math and see that the losses involved mean that those losses amount to such a trivial loss that what is really going on is a time delay and a transfer of where you feel it not a loss of how much energy.


Not good at running away are you robin
And you still don't know what you are talking about
you don't feel the recoil with a blow back or a gas operated auto loader like you do with a bolt of the same weight.
As usual you rattle on to sound like you know something when you don't.
And talk about misquoting I didn't say how much it dropped the recoil but when you drop
the caliber to a .223 plus the advantage of being gas operated you have a long gun I can shoot like a pistol.
And before you state another lie about me being taken in by the manufactures I have said several times before the first time you said that that I personally have no use for the .223.
And of course unlike you I can't subdue a trained police officer when I have a broken arm.
And Sir Robin what happened to you declaring this conversation to be over? Guess you even lied about that didn't you?



I especially liked the part about hunting deer and killing people are at different ranges. LMAO


If you hunt deer at the range the .223 was designed to be used at you are more pathetic than I thought and I already thought you were pretty damn pathetic.





lovmuffin -> RE: The ignorance of liberals (7/12/2014 11:09:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

If you hunt deer at the range the .223 was designed to be used at you are more pathetic than I thought and I already thought you were pretty damn pathetic.


Pathetic is running your mouth off when you don't have a clue. Is Joe Biden giving you advice on deer hunting now ? If you're hunting mule deer, it's common but not necessarily so, to get a shot beyond 100 yards. If you're hunting eastern white tail it's quite common that you will get a shot within 100 yards. It all really depends on the terrain and what type of firearm you're using to hunt with. You can't just put it into a nutshell and compare it to a combat situation with a .223. Ya can't put a combat situation into nutshell.

There is as much or more skill involved in getting to the point of being able to take that shot at a big game animal. You're going to take it regardless of the range.

I can see it now, DomKen to his huntin buddy when a deer walks out of the brush and crosses their path; "don't shoot, we need to back up beyond a hundred yards or we'll be pathetic".

Good Grief




Arturas -> RE: The ignorance of liberals (7/12/2014 11:29:20 PM)

FR

"Strawberry fields forever...".




Mouth4Mistress -> RE: The ignorance of liberals (7/12/2014 11:39:23 PM)

So, it's OK for the LEADER of a country to LIE - IN COURT - UNDER OATH?

He didn't "deserve" to be impeached for that?




Mouth4Mistress -> RE: The ignorance of liberals (7/12/2014 11:42:22 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity
On topic...
quote:


Bill Maher: ‘Liberals Are Just Sometimes Useless Obama Hacks’

There was a study done this week, found out that online conversations that were intercepted and stored by the NSA, nine out of ten were not from foreigners – they’re from ordinary citizens. And I want to read this: “Many files,” it says, “described as useless by the analysts, but had a startingly intimate even voyeuristic quality. Stories of love and heartbreak, illicit sexual liaisons, mental health crises and disappointed hopes.” Move over Taxicab Confessions, we have a new -- this is exactly what they said they weren’t going to do. Just be nosey and look into the lives of private people for their own shits and giggles.

And I just want to say, if this was happening under Bush, liberals would be apoplectic. I’m sorry, but liberals are just sometimes useless Obama hacks without a shred of intellectual honesty.

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brent-baker/2014/07/12/bill-maher-liberals-are-just-sometimes-useless-obama-hacks#ixzz37JmscQIe



Oh, the irony is just too fucking much. Bill "I Donated Over A Million Bucks To Obama" Maher calling out liberals on Obama? Holy shit.




Arturas -> RE: The ignorance of liberals (7/12/2014 11:43:49 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Mouth4Mistress

So, it's OK for the LEADER of a country to LIE - IN COURT - UNDER OATH?

He didn't "deserve" to be impeached for that?



Me? I say "Everything is beautiful, in it's own way"...




Kirata -> RE: The ignorance of liberals (7/12/2014 11:50:48 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

I can see it now, DomKen to his huntin buddy...
[image]local://upfiles/235229/D3BFED2D33234C8A854C6F3422A9C66E.jpg[/image]

K.






subrosaDom -> RE: The ignorance of liberals (7/13/2014 12:01:15 AM)

/sarcasm on/ Yeah, personally, when I kill deer and people at the same time, I just line 'em all up right next to one another /sarcasm off/

"sarcasm" just to ensure someone does not actually think I kill people -- I kill bad ideas, not the people who hold them

quote:

ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen


I said less felt recoil liar. If you can't read at least quote me.

The range you hunt deer at and the range you kill people at are different now aren't they?

Energy is never consumed. You feel less recoil if the weapon is heavier and you feel a tiny bit less if some energy is diverted to operate the action but you can do the math and see that the losses involved mean that those losses amount to such a trivial loss that what is really going on is a time delay and a transfer of where you feel it not a loss of how much energy.


Not good at running away are you robin
And you still don't know what you are talking about
you don't feel the recoil with a blow back or a gas operated auto loader like you do with a bolt of the same weight.
As usual you rattle on to sound like you know something when you don't.
And talk about misquoting I didn't say how much it dropped the recoil but when you drop
the caliber to a .223 plus the advantage of being gas operated you have a long gun I can shoot like a pistol.
And before you state another lie about me being taken in by the manufactures I have said several times before the first time you said that that I personally have no use for the .223.
And of course unlike you I can't subdue a trained police officer when I have a broken arm.
And Sir Robin what happened to you declaring this conversation to be over? Guess you even lied about that didn't you?



I especially liked the part about hunting deer and killing people are at different ranges. LMAO






subrosaDom -> RE: The ignorance of liberals (7/13/2014 12:04:31 AM)

No, of course not. Only if he'd been a Republican would he have deserved to have been impeached for that.


quote:

ORIGINAL: Mouth4Mistress

So, it's OK for the LEADER of a country to LIE - IN COURT - UNDER OATH?

He didn't "deserve" to be impeached for that?






LetstalkboutRAP3 -> RE: The ignorance of liberals (7/13/2014 12:46:04 AM)

@DomKen

Momentum and energy are both always conserved. Where they go is the question. Momentum ultimately ends up in either the Earth or the air after moving through the weapon and/or the shooter.

Energy has all kinds of things it can do. It can turn into motion, light, heat, mechanical energy, deformation energy (bones, tendons, tissue)... When a given round is fired, and given rounds always contain (almost) exactly the same amount of chemical energy (powder charge), if it is fired from a semi-automatic some of it's energy is used to perform the work of ejecting the spent casing and loading the next cartridge. That is energy that is then unavailable to do anything else, like, say, hit the shooter in the shoulder.

Semi-automatics have additional parts, which means more mass, which means the weapon accelerates backward more slowly. Slower acceleration over a given distance (stock to shoulder) means lower velocity. Kinetic energy increases linearly with mass, and exponentially with velocity. This is why semi-automatics produce less felt recoil than their manual feed counterparts, because there actually is less energy moving into the shooter. This is well established within the shooting community and supported by classical mechanics. It can be substantially less too, depending on the weapon and round in question.

Now, the action of a semi-automatic introduces additional moving parts to the weapon, and additional entropy (waste heat, again energy that isn't available to hurt the shooter, although this time it really is a negligible amount of energy). This can cause some of the momentum of the blast to be directed up/down/left/right through the weapon instead of backward into the shooter, which can make the weapon harder to handle and can be hard on joints. That isn't why snipers prefer manual feed weapons though. Snipers fire one shot for one kill, so weapon sway isn't really an issue for them, because they will have plenty of time to recover and aim before a second shot. The reason that snipers prefer manual feed weapons is because they are generally the simplest, most reliable, and most accurate weapons available.





subrosaDom -> RE: The ignorance of liberals (7/13/2014 1:01:27 AM)

@Letstalk -- it's dangerous to use science, physics and logic in these forums. You'll find out soon enough. Great post, though.


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ORIGINAL: LetstalkboutRAP3

@DomKen

Momentum and energy are both always conserved. Where they go is the question. Momentum ultimately ends up in either the Earth or the air after moving through the weapon and/or the shooter.

Energy has all kinds of things it can do. It can turn into motion, light, heat, mechanical energy, deformation energy (bones, tendons, tissue)... When a given round is fired, and given rounds always contain (almost) exactly the same amount of chemical energy (powder charge), if it is fired from a semi-automatic some of it's energy is used to perform the work of ejecting the spent casing and loading the next cartridge. That is energy that is then unavailable to do anything else, like, say, hit the shooter in the shoulder.

Semi-automatics have additional parts, which means more mass, which means the weapon accelerates backward more slowly. Slower acceleration over a given distance (stock to shoulder) means lower velocity. Kinetic energy increases linearly with mass, and exponentially with velocity. This is why semi-automatics produce less felt recoil than their manual feed counterparts, because there actually is less energy moving into the shooter. This is well established within the shooting community and supported by classical mechanics. It can be substantially less too, depending on the weapon and round in question.

Now, the action of a semi-automatic introduces additional moving parts to the weapon, and additional entropy (waste heat, again energy that isn't available to hurt the shooter, although this time it really is a negligible amount of energy). This can cause some of the momentum of the blast to be directed up/down/left/right through the weapon instead of backward into the shooter, which can make the weapon harder to handle and can be hard on joints. That isn't why snipers prefer manual feed weapons though. Snipers fire one shot for one kill, so weapon sway isn't really an issue for them, because they will have plenty of time to recover and aim before a second shot. The reason that snipers prefer manual feed weapons is because they are generally the simplest, most reliable, and most accurate weapons available.







lovmuffin -> RE: The ignorance of liberals (7/13/2014 2:22:04 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: subrosaDom

@Letstalk -- it's dangerous to use science, physics and logic in these forums. You'll find out soon enough. Great post, though.


quote:

ORIGINAL: LetstalkboutRAP3

@DomKen

Momentum and energy are both always conserved. Where they go is the question. Momentum ultimately ends up in either the Earth or the air after moving through the weapon and/or the shooter.

Energy has all kinds of things it can do. It can turn into motion, light, heat, mechanical energy, deformation energy (bones, tendons, tissue)... When a given round is fired, and given rounds always contain (almost) exactly the same amount of chemical energy (powder charge), if it is fired from a semi-automatic some of it's energy is used to perform the work of ejecting the spent casing and loading the next cartridge. That is energy that is then unavailable to do anything else, like, say, hit the shooter in the shoulder.

Semi-automatics have additional parts, which means more mass, which means the weapon accelerates backward more slowly. Slower acceleration over a given distance (stock to shoulder) means lower velocity. Kinetic energy increases linearly with mass, and exponentially with velocity. This is why semi-automatics produce less felt recoil than their manual feed counterparts, because there actually is less energy moving into the shooter. This is well established within the shooting community and supported by classical mechanics. It can be substantially less too, depending on the weapon and round in question.

Now, the action of a semi-automatic introduces additional moving parts to the weapon, and additional entropy (waste heat, again energy that isn't available to hurt the shooter, although this time it really is a negligible amount of energy). This can cause some of the momentum of the blast to be directed up/down/left/right through the weapon instead of backward into the shooter, which can make the weapon harder to handle and can be hard on joints. That isn't why snipers prefer manual feed weapons though. Snipers fire one shot for one kill, so weapon sway isn't really an issue for them, because they will have plenty of time to recover and aim before a second shot. The reason that snipers prefer manual feed weapons is because they are generally the simplest, most reliable, and most accurate weapons available.






It's even more dangerous to try and explain these things to DomKen. He has a shotgun.




lovmuffin -> RE: The ignorance of liberals (7/13/2014 2:24:18 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


quote:

ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

I can see it now, DomKen to his huntin buddy...
[image]local://upfiles/235229/D3BFED2D33234C8A854C6F3422A9C66E.jpg[/image]

K.





"Don't look up Ken, he'll shit your eye out".




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