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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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Has it even occurred to you that those of us who disagree may not be heartless, disgusting, monsters.
And again genocide is worse than anything Israel has done.

OK. Actually, I wouldn't for a minute imagine you, or most people, being in charge of an army and ordering that missiles be fired at some distant target, in the knowledge that lots of innocents, including children, might be killed as a result. But I don't get why it's somehow OK for Israel to do this. There's a disconnect that I can't grasp, there.

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ORIGINAL: NoCompromiseDom

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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Has it even occurred to you that those of us who disagree may not be heartless, disgusting, monsters.
And again genocide is worse than anything Israel has done.

OK. Actually, I wouldn't for a minute imagine you, or most people, being in charge of an army and ordering that missiles be fired at some distant target, in the knowledge that lots of innocents, including children, might be killed as a result. But I don't get why it's somehow OK for Israel to do this. There's a disconnect that I can't grasp, there.

So if I want to win a war, all I need do is use human shields, fire all my weapons from hospitals and schools; strap suicide vests onto women and children; embed military command centers in the middle of civilian populations and then when the "innocent" people die, I simply blame you. Well, it does seem to be working somewhat for Hamas, thanks to the imprimatur of people such as yourself.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

The British mainland suffered for decades from IRA attacks, Bama. We didn't fire missiles that destroyed large chunks of Northern Ireland, though. In my book, if you claim to fight terrorists, you fight terrorists, and not the ordinary people, the women and the children, who happen to live nearby. Especially not if your military is state of the art and funded to the tune of $3 billion per year from a foreign government. It's a fucking cowardly, disgusting, disgrace.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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Has it even occurred to you that those of us who disagree may not be heartless, disgusting, monsters.
And again genocide is worse than anything Israel has done.

OK. Actually, I wouldn't for a minute imagine you, or most people, being in charge of an army and ordering that missiles be fired at some distant target, in the knowledge that lots of innocents, including children, might be killed as a result. But I don't get why it's somehow OK for Israel to do this. There's a disconnect that I can't grasp, there.

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi
and you thought accusing ken of seeing Gazan children as vermin would somehow clear it up for you? Or perhaps implying that most of the world outside of the usa and israel see them in as innocent, human, children (which also implies we don't) will help you see the whole picture. Or if could be that you have no clue how people here think and just want to show us how superior you think you are. If it's the latter, I must say you were spot on.

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You're full of shit. You're attacking me simply because I've shown you to be wrong and it makes you uncomfortable.

I've never made any such disgusting claims about the Palestinian people and never would. I have always and will say that I would prefer that no civilians be killed but that I can read the laws of war.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
As long as you play this moral equivalency game you are siding with Hamas even if you do not realize it.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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Has it even occurred to you that those of us who disagree may not be heartless, disgusting, monsters.
And again genocide is worse than anything Israel has done.

OK. Actually, I wouldn't for a minute imagine you, or most people, being in charge of an army and ordering that missiles be fired at some distant target, in the knowledge that lots of innocents, including children, might be killed as a result. But I don't get why it's somehow OK for Israel to do this. There's a disconnect that I can't grasp, there.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
Now imagine living like that for your entire life and think what it might do to you.

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To the best of my knowledge, the 'heaviest' weapon the British Army (no bunch of angels by any measure) used during 25 years of war in Ireland was a light machine gun. During a counter-insurgency strategy in both urban and rural theatres and not a single rocket, missile, piece of artillery, helicopter gunship, naval artillery, fighter or bomber plane was fired.

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"The first public announcement of the doctrine was made by General Gadi Eizenkot, commander of the IDF's northern front, in October 2008. He said that what happened in the Dahiya (also transliterated as Dahiyeh and Dahieh) quarter of Beirut in 2006 would, "happen in every village from which shots were fired in the direction of Israel. We will wield disproportionate power against [them] and cause immense damage and destruction. From our perspective, these are military bases. [...] This isn't a suggestion. It's a plan that has already been authorized. [...] Harming the population is the only means of restraining Nasrallah."

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To the best of my knowledge, the 'heaviest' weapon the British Army (no bunch of angels by any measure) used during 25 years of war in Ireland was a light machine gun. During a counter-insurgency strategy in both urban and rural theatres and not a single rocket, missile, piece of artillery, helicopter gunship, naval artillery, fighter or bomber plane was fired.

Just as a little addition to that re the IRA: they generally gave advanced warning of their targets in England. Yet they were still termed 'terrorists'.

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"The first public announcement of the doctrine was made by General Gadi Eizenkot, commander of the IDF's northern front, in October 2008. He said that what happened in the Dahiya (also transliterated as Dahiyeh and Dahieh) quarter of Beirut in 2006 would, "happen in every village from which shots were fired in the direction of Israel. We will wield disproportionate power against [them] and cause immense damage and destruction. From our perspective, these are military bases. [...] This isn't a suggestion. It's a plan that has already been authorized. [...] Harming the population is the only means of restraining Nasrallah."

... But at least that doesn't mention 'terrorising' them, eh?

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The British mainland suffered for decades from IRA attacks, Bama. We didn't fire missiles that destroyed large chunks of Northern Ireland, though. In my book, if you claim to fight terrorists, you fight terrorists, and not the ordinary people, the women and the children, who happen to live nearby. Especially not if your military is state of the art and funded to the tune of $3 billion per year from a foreign government. It's a fucking cowardly, disgusting, disgrace.

To the best of my knowledge, the 'heaviest' weapon the British Army (no bunch of angels by any measure) used during 25 years of war in Ireland was a light machine gun. During a counter-insurgency strategy in both urban and rural theatres and not a single rocket, missile, piece of artillery, helicopter gunship, naval artillery, fighter or bomber plane was fired.

The result in terms of lives lost is illuminating - over the 25 years of war, the death toll on all sides was 3-4,000. In Gaza in less than a month of fighting, the IDF has managed to chalk up over 1,000 dead. The tactics and strategies the IDF uses are based on the Dahiya doctrine:
"The first public announcement of the doctrine was made by General Gadi Eizenkot, commander of the IDF's northern front, in October 2008. He said that what happened in the Dahiya (also transliterated as Dahiyeh and Dahieh) quarter of Beirut in 2006 would, "happen in every village from which shots were fired in the direction of Israel. We will wield disproportionate power against [them] and cause immense damage and destruction. From our perspective, these are military bases. [...] This isn't a suggestion. It's a plan that has already been authorized. [...] Harming the population is the only means of restraining Nasrallah."[3][4]

Noting that Dahiya was the Shiite quarter in Beirut that was razed by the Israeli Air Force during the Second Lebanon War, Israeli journalist Yaron London wrote in 2008 that the doctrine, "will become entrenched in our security discourse."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahiya_doctrine (emphasis added)

It is as clear as daylight that the Dahiya doctrine is being deployed in the current carnage in Gaza. It is as clear as daylight the horrific levels of civilian casualties, the wanton destruction of entire suburbs, the deliberate targeting and bombing of hospitals, schools etc are an integral part of this plan - these horrors are not accidental, not the result of 'operational errors' or 'rogue' commanders in the field, not mistakes committed in the fog of war, but part of the plan. They are deliberate and calculated to intimidate an unarmed civilian population. Deliberate premeditated war crimes.

The deliberate use of violence to political ends against a civilian population is pretty close to a textbook definition of terrorism.

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Israel gives advance notice of air strikes but that doesn't help them with you.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
As long as you play this moral equivalency game you are siding with Hamas even if you do not realize it.

Nope. Don't buy it.

It's bit like that old chestnut "An enemy of my enemy is my friend" bullshit.
And enemy of my enemy can still be my enemy too.

But you like to believe all that Israeli propaganda that even the US are now beginning to seriously question.
Maybe if you looked at international news instead of PR bullshit you might just get the whole picture instead of skewed versions on mainstream US TV.

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No but peons post here suggested that some might think he is out of line because he isn't following the rest you on this.

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What most of us already know that if you don't have a point to make you fall back on standard insults. You are certainly predictable if nothing else.

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Israel gives advance notice of air strikes but that doesn't help them with you.

I don't know what that means.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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The British mainland suffered for decades from IRA attacks, Bama. We didn't fire missiles that destroyed large chunks of Northern Ireland, though. In my book, if you claim to fight terrorists, you fight terrorists, and not the ordinary people, the women and the children, who happen to live nearby. Especially not if your military is state of the art and funded to the tune of $3 billion per year from a foreign government. It's a fucking cowardly, disgusting, disgrace.

How soon we forget, the British army was based in Northern Ireland.
For Israel to handle it like the Brits did, which drew a lot of criticism, they would have to take over Gaza. Is that what you want? Or do you want them to just ignore the missiles? Or maybe send a substantial military force in and invade every time there is an attack.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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Israel gives advance notice of air strikes but that doesn't help them with you.

I don't know what that means.

Israel drops pamphlets warning civilians of an impending air strike.
In spite of this you insist that Israel is out to bomb civilians.
Who is at fault when Hamas doesn't let the civilians leave.